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Yea I know right.

I don't see believing as a problem as long as you recognize it as such, it's based on what just genuinely makes sense to you, you can distinguish it from your experience, and not place number one importance of it like I said. Seems to me people feel it's so important to make such disclaimer becauase default mode of operating for humans is being so obsessed with one's beliefs.

Spirituality: God = oneness, non duality. No relationship Religion: God = supreme conscious being (dual). Your relationship to God Spirituality: Emphasis on direct experience, beliefs should be questioned Religion: Emphasis on beliefs, irregardless of experience, beliefs should not be questioned That’s why religious people always ask “do you believe in/what you believe in?” as if that’s the default and only way to approach things in life….Many people are like this, but extra common in religion it seems. I feel off answering the question like so because it’s not accurate to how I go about things, because I focus on what I experience, not what I believe, it’s not so important to me, simply put… Edit: Spirituality: Be like Christ Religion: Worship Christ. The above would be offensive suggestion.

Openness has really been something I've been thinking of in the past months and yes it goes way beyond intellectual. It's state of entire being, to whatever degree. I can relate to my state shifting when being around certain people, depending on my relation to them. It really reveals things in me, could be positive or negative, that I couldn't access before on my own. I too have wondered how interacting with enlightened person could feel because the more open I am, the more receptive I am, so I've been able to feel more and more the differences in people in general. I don't agree tho that it's only their vibes and one's own feelings that one could assess. I have experienced how different people have different presence to them, before hearing them speak. Have had strong experiences where someone's presence and energy was perceived as very strong, and that is not occurring in me, it's them that I'm perceiving. But then a stronger presence and energy arises simultaneously in me too (when there is connection); but that is distinct from them, I recognize it as mine, and their presence is what I'm perceiving in them. So if someone would speak in deeply spiritual way, but nothing other than that stands out in what I'm able to perceive about them, then I'm not buying it. When I said craving "richness" I meant not as in money but in richness of the experience, as in having a self allows for experience, meanwhile to dissolve means to be nothing. It's simplistic but still. I thought first you meant party every night, three days own row, but then I realized you meant nonstop three days hahahahah I'm weak, that's insane how energy was sustained so long. Sometime I wanna experience something like it, have never, must be like being in another reality temporarily. Feeling a little inspired not gonna lie. Cool transformation to read, the woman helped you out at last 😂

Even someone who is more open than someone else, can have affect on them with their presence, but the affected person must have some degree of openness themselves already. So full enlightenment is not needed to affect people with one's presence. And even then, the enlightened person (I get your description when you say it's the absence of boundaries) might not have a presence that has the strongest affect on everyone. I think energy is very powerful, from experience, so someone who has strong energy can affect others too, but seems they have to be somewhat mystic because otherwise the closed ego would block. Maybe the desire for the human life in self-state is because it can be richer? Something in us craves richness not just "dissolution". Btw hope it's ok, I saw before you edited, and I wanted to say that I also had crazy day this Sunday. Felt super unusual. Went to sleep past 4 in morning (yes went to sleep, not woke up lol) but woke up 3 hours later feeling rested enough. Crazy weekend, did coke that day, hence part of the explanation.....(shhhh, probably delete later)

Yea I know what someone says is one thing and the presence is another and both matter. Being enlightened doesn't automatically make you be able to be the most effective teacher for the largest audience, it's also about how developed they are on human level, it's not like enlightenment unlocks all human potential just because there's no ego in the way. Also different speaking styles fit different people, so they can have very niche audience, some like more poetic some like more direct. I suspect maybe some enlightened people don't have intense presence, maybe they have instead still and quite empty presence. It depends on person, two people who are enlightened won't be the same, speak the same, have the same presence etc.

Social anxiety in my life has felt like an infinite mountain of tension to overcome, and in terms of the attraction intimidation, I have barely even faced yet, as I've always avoided it like a plaque, feeling overwhelmed enough by what I got going on already. I automatically imagine it would be a negative experience for me. At least at first, feeling like I have massive barriers to overcome. Years of trying to overcome social anxiety, massive improvements but feels there's always layers to it left that haven't been properly released, has ingrained the belief in me that all I have is barriers and the "other side" is an impossibility. So yea I can kinda relate to this post.

Yea it started rising in me in April this year. Very intense and transformative to put it simply

Presence can definitely have an effect but not to that extreme degree most likely, and it depends on the other person too how much they are receptive to it.

Same

Maybe you’re embodying a kind of energy/presence, or there is dimension within you that you’re not yet so aware of, if you’re more “in the head” type it can cloud the awareness of such. I’m using vague sounding words because ofc I don’t know myself what it could be. And I’m relating it to your initial topic or in general in terms of what you attract. I experience myself unexpected attention, and have noticed patterns that people seem to sometimes be able to “sense things” about you that may not be so clear what it is at first. Or if you’re a quite open person, maybe you can absorb things from others, perhaps a bit telepathic, could potentially explain what you mentioned in this reply in particular. (I’ve been on opposite end of situation you mention).

Yea I’m going through a process of that kind. Same! Your reply hit home for me.

"Oh look at me, I'm such a mystic, I can open myself any time, I don't even need psychedelics anymore, and I got shit going for myself at the same time, vs you bitch, who can't even land a job, who's too shy to talk to guys your'e attracted to and is stuck in the head all the time.....but yet somehow I feel some dead Indian yogi is competition" 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ 🤨☠️😂 I get your logic

Ahahah glad you had a laugh too. Sooner or later as society evolves I bet someones gonna create that hahahaha

Bryan Johnson of Actualized just had to chime in on that