Lyubov

You miss way too much information with audiobooks. I think it’s better to read the book. Be intentional about it. I read mostly from my phone but reading the words is much better. I also think it’s ok to not finish a book if you have given it a chance and aren’t getting anything from it. I believe a life changing book will click and you will get a good amount of insights from it while reading. There can be dips and it’s ok if a couple chapters don’t land. But you should be getting a hefty amount of insights or it’s not worth reading.

I mean I don’t disagree with your diagnosis of such a pattern where people endlessly are “healing.” I just didn’t see that in what he wrote. I don’t know this guy. Maybe he is the new age endless healer type. Seemed like he was just stating what a lot of people would benefit from in shaping their life.

He’s sorta the faux intellectual thought leader type person that stage orange larpers think is deep but anyone who actually extensively reads books knows he is mediocre. He’s the intellectual for the performative, for the IG influencer or Rogan listener. He’s sorta in the middle of quality and depth so I think people higher on the spectrum will find him trying too hard. There are people who are less intelligent than Greene but through this drop mad wise proverbs that hit. Greene is more nuanced but he isn’t sharp enough to penetrate higher spheres of reason and wisdom.

Easily the tip of it too. I'm sure any sleuth could gather at least thousands of messages sent by him and all the old group chats, archived twitter responses, the courses and videos they sold, even the accounts of all the cam girls and whatnot. He is royally fucked if any of them were underage too and he had them produce adult content. Also keep in mind even if Trump blocks this extradition, when a new president or dem gets in and Uk requests again the process starts over. This is not something he can be magically pardoned for in the USA. Just temporarily halted.

Of course he is gonna try. MAGA is not sustainable in the long run. It's been over ten years. I think we have more years behind us of MAGA than ahead of us, but the torch of the same populist anti-democracy shite could be taken over by someone else.

Yeah but I don't see his point saying that. He's just listing off ways back to oneness. I don't see him saying you need to "perpetually be healing." He just lists off stuff that most people have probably have been shaped by to some degree.

I’m very absolutist from my beliefs and experiences. Life has shown me women are largely predetermined. They perceive you and pick you. You ain’t changing shit about them. You show up and they have already decided and pegged you where you’re at and you move the needle really only by your looks, status and lifestyle. You know within 5-15 mins if you’re in the fuck zone or not and all game does at that point is removes everything in your way from you getting her to the bed or fucking the situation up and getting her to change her mind which is what a lot of guys end up doing. I do not believe you can flip women from a no to a yes. They already have you pegged 5-10 mins after meeting you, sometimes within seconds. Ever got cold eyes when sitting next to a woman in a cafe that seem to not even notice your existence? They aren’t interested in you. You ain’t switching a no to a yes? It happens but it’s exceptionally rare and not worth the efforts

There are positives and negatives to the showing intent and wearing your heart on your sleeve. To be honest I’m impartial to this approach because to me if I was in the game still meeting new women the forward approach 1) sorta gives me a bit more certainty. I do agree that the uncertainty and ambiguity is where a ton of sexual tension lies. Simultaneously it’s also just emotionally laborious for me to sit with uncertainty and I’ve found it’s better to lean more on my physical looks and status and play up the serendipity. It’s just what I enjoy and I don’t believe leaning into my weaknesses and draining approaches is the right idea. There is this notion that you need to always be pushing your edge and making yourself uncomfortable but that doesn’t make sense to me. Why should I feel uncomfortable when socializing and meeting women should be fun? So I’d rather leave a lay or two on the table if it means screen out heavy mind games and putting energy into social situations that are a bit harder for me to read. I’m by no means saying throw all subtly out. A subtle approach and not being so damn direct is key. I’m not so autistic that I can only understand a yes or no. I’m just saying that I know my strengths and weaknesses and I’d lean into subtly but communicate it pretty clearly through honest signals. You can clearly tell if a woman likes you by her body language. I don’t see any point in flipping a woman who is not that interested over to a yes. If that isn’t enough for a woman then I see that as redirection so someone who already perceives me as top. In many ways I’d rather filter and lean into girls who I already can see perceive me as sex god.

The comparison to gravity though I don’t think is helpful. It frames you as a victim being effect by an external source out of your control and as if emotions are not something you are able to actively shape and choose to create by what you believe. This is not me ignoring the nuance of it or downplaying when people feel bad about the very hard things they encounter in life. I say this with compassion. I am not saying that feeling grief or pain when something unfortunate happens in life is wrong. I do believe that we are responsible for our life and our emotions and that a lot of what we feel that is uncomfortable can be let go. I don’t think it’s all about transcending, in a weird way I don’t think that is how it works. Transcending is embracing what is true always even if it hurts a little and living it moment to moment, it’s not just deleting something entirely, but it can be. I think it’s something let go when conscious enough however we choose to come back to the familiar.

I think that is what most guys end up with because they realize it’s unsustainable going out all the time and putting in energy to meet new women. But I think most start out with high aspirations and fantasies of getting laid all the time.

Comparability implies commitment which I think most guys doing pick up are just trying to get laid. You can find a gf through night game but you won’t know you’re compatible until you’ve been together for a bit.

To be honest clavicer (sp?) has probably one of the better setups for an autistic introvert with shite game. Status and looks and lifestyle. That does all his lifting and I’m sure he pulls from it. To be astroturfed into stardom by Peter Theil 😕🥴

It’s absolutely frightening as well at how much socializing many women are able to do. What I mean is that for many women going out with friends and to clubs and bars and to the beach and meeting new people is literally effortless. They aren’t drained by it and they get lots of attention and drinks and support from social circle and going out and have a group of friends a week after landing in a new city. This comes with its own problems though (constant drama and falling outs). For introverted men it feels like a fucking war, nothing about it comes natural to me and it is an absolute chore to go out like this to socialize.

I agree. It’s nice having friends but there’s no guarantee you’ll have a flow of hot girls coming through, you may also burn it down if you move on one and they don’t like you. If you want that you need to go out often too (2-3 nights minimum a week easily). You need to join run clubs and typical social events that young women go to in cities like LA and Miami. It’s a ton of socializing and it’s really only going to be rewarding for extroverted men. Trying to force extroversion as an introvert is not wise. You can absolutely kill it if you are an extroverted man in good shape at a run club. Ideally the best set up for getting similar results as an introverted man is really raising your status, looks and social media and then leveraging that for online game in more introverted European countries. Lifestyle is much better for introverted men and making different things do more of the heavy lifting over raw socializing.

Owen has a one size fits all approach that is good for guys starting out. You’re nervous and awkward and need a hypeman to tell you it’s possible to pull a baddie. That alone is very empowering and can lead to results. I never really saw any point debating the nuance and various refinements of pick up artistry. It’s difficult to even measure and compare success and there’s a million factors at play you can attribute things to. Obviously guys look at raw number of pulls and beauty but even then most students don’t have any desire to sleep with 500 women and go out 4 nights a week for a decade. They just want to get their needs met and sleep with beautiful women which you can with just about any approach. Obviously you’re leaving lays on the table based a lot off of your status, looks and lifestyle. Normies in Vegas game is a different beast and probably requires all the refinement since it’s so competitive and raw. You can have absolute shit game in some countries and cities by the beach and just be chill enough to not fuck it up and pull based on being handsome.