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Thick face is not having a care in the world what other people think of you including most importantly your own doubts about yourself. A person who has cultivated this quality will create a positive image of himself regardless of what others think. It is a common element found in a lot of the earlier pick up artist work and stuff on self help and public speaking. You can be a ruthless thick face guy and also be very in touch with your emotions and actually soften, even Owen has softened quite a bit. There is some wisdom in a good bit of what he says. I think the fundamental element that was taught was it was always about bringing you back to deeper self reflection and fundamentally working where life is arising from. What is the root of it all. You are being told you are valuable as you are, you are capable as you are, you can do great things, now go out and approach. That fundamental element of "being enough" sets you off on a far more positive trajectory than "you are absolutely shit now and need to change your physical body." Now I'm not saying the old school pick up guys didn't have their own baggage or didn't lead to traps as well, but I see the trajectory of the old school Owen approach setting you up far better in life than trying to just optimize the outside because 1) the outside is arbitrary and always changing 2) it shuts you off from becoming more conscious of where you create from.

I also noticed a correlation between the deeper inner game thick face approach and deeper development in life. I've seen the thick face approach lead to guys who actually seem to have matured and developed more as men and people all around, became more spiritual, which ultimately is the point of life. There are guys like James Marshell and even Owen with his own traps are much more developed than any looksmaxer school of thought. I think it's because thick face delusion in a sense is more aligned with the core than looks maxing. Aligning with "I'm great, I can achieve anything" sets you off on a trajectory that compounds from having not aligned with fears and is far more living truthfully than "I hope if I inject this people will like me." I think looksmaxing does take some ownership and responsibility back, it is def better than just sitting around getting fat watching kick/twitch streams and donating to looksmaxers, but the trajectory for looksmaxing is fundamentally flawed, sometimes conflated with good advice like going to the gym. There even is a phrase "gymcels." The inner game approach has it's flaws too but it's much more likely to make you spiritual in the long run. All these looksmaxers will fuck themselves up and I will double down on christianity and put crosses and bible versus in their profiles. You seldomly saw that with thick faced pick up where it was about building inner resilience

I am seeing a lot of people discuss these things. I'd really like some shortcuts if possible. Are they legit? Anyone experienced with them?

Classic old school pickup mindset. This is Owen 101. I come from this generation, The Game / Mystery Method, so I remember back then there was almost zero emphasis on looks except for the occasional coach brining guys out to the mall to replace their rags. Common sense type shit. To be honest, I want to almost say that what old school pick up gets right is that it makes you so delusional that you form such a thick face that you end up persevering towards victory becoming attractive in the process. A thick face is always incredibly valuable in life and in a sense makes life much more enjoyable. The looksmaxing shite I think just has a very weak and sad energy to it somehow poisoned by social media and the arbitrary trends of instagram. Instead of outward socializing it puts you more-so focused just on your looks hoping that is enough for outward approval that you seek. I think there is some positives to it though because I've seen what doors open when you have exceptionally good looks. If i was to be 20 and single in 2026, I think both Owen style pick up but also maximizing in the gym, fashion and finances would be the approach. All this shit doesn't need silly labels. It is no secret if you have social skills, physical health and money and you optimize your life to maximize all of these which is what everyone that's into self improvement is trying to do that you will meet women. It doesn't need to become an autistic meme.

Dude I'm flying to China on Saturday for 50 days. I will be going to 10 cities including Chengdu. I'm really excited. I will be vlogging the whole experience, hope to publish 6-8 videos on the trip. I was there in 2016 for two months. I love China.

I don’t think this place is a cult as of now. As far as I know Leo earns shit from us and isn’t looking for girls to shag from here (he deleted the dating blog post quickly after it went up). We will see what this place turns into if those retreats take off. I do think this community and Leo’s style is dangerous for mentally unstable people though. And I think when his channel was mostly self help stuff but then transitioned pretty quickly into psychedelics/spirituality, it created a pretty dangerous pipeline into a ecosystem with poor support and resources for mentally unstable people.

Call this place a cult, or not. His criticism is valid. This place is a dangerous for some people. Half the community are incels and unemployed people who haven't built a life for themselves and aren't fully grounded in themselves or their integrity. The teachings here are reckless. Leo has gotten better over the years with what he teaches, but his old library is still up. Leo is honestly super autistic and lacks maturity and wisdom to guide most people seriously in my opinion. You have to be able to keep up with his style and his chemistry and his ability to alter his state. And he is thinking of running a retreat with security armed with tasers, a tour up Mt Everest. I hope you're prepared for this because this is the one thing which if even the slightest thing goes wrong, your entire image will be fucked. The criticism is valid. Still Leo is an interesting person and a great writer and I do like him a lot, so his insights are really cool to read and learn from especially on certain topics I gravitate towards. Oddly I don't come here for spiritual teachings, I come for insights more on life and new was of thinking/reasoning. You can split hairs calling this place a cult but yeah, Leo can be an unsafe person to lead. There are much safer and better people to learn psychedelic protocols from. A lot of unwell people will gravitate towards this personality type that lets one give up their responsibility and kowtow to a model and terms of thought that you should be sovereign and the center of yourself, your spirituality. I'm fine with videos like this. The average person should be aware that actualized.org is a dangerous place.

We won't know unless more evidence comes to light. I'm worried a lot of evidence has been destroyed in the files though.

No one knows what happens after death. You don't even know what will happen 10 minutes from now in life.

I watched this doc and it was surprisingly powerful. Thoughts on him? I like him, he was no saint but I like him.

Dude you are grand standing.

Sounds like cope to me

He tried to get a cop to give him a gun during that Las Vegas shooting. He’s legit delusional. Grandiose Idiot. To be honest the Mossad would fuck him up.

He’s going all in on this Christian thing. Can’t make this shit up.

Not "need." Both coexist in harmony, complimenting, opposites integral for the other's existence. From a grounded perspective, men tend to have worse social skills and put all their social eggs in one basket. So if the woman goes there goes his entire social / family life. Women are much better at socializing and perceived differently, so they tend to be able to fill in more quickly the space left from the end of a relationship. I've known of really extroverted men who were able to cope similarly to how a woman does when a relationship ends. Most guys simply don't have the social resources or support network to do the same.

Looks like it will be a frozen conflict. The border has hardly moved since 2022. It wasn't inevitable but it was the mostly likely scenario that this would eventually freeze at the current border and both countries would go into a rebuilding phase.

I'm not a Leo glazer. To be honest my issue with Leo as a teacher is his poor people skills, he seems sorta immature and lacking empathy and foresight in relation to the information he puts out to the public, reckless, there's a lack of care and warmth in the way he moves but he has improved some in the past few years. In terms of money or scamming... I mean idk man he barely sells anything and makes like 1 video every 3 months now. He could be leeching cash way more from his community... doesn't seem like he's about extracting more and more wealth.

You are in the middle east right? Yeah I can see why you would see it that way given where you are from.

Victims? Kinda a stretch of that word no? This video will basically give you a look into the mind of a women who shacks up with this guy. She can barely contain her excitement for him. She looks like a high school girl talking about her celebrity crush or first boyfriend....

Dude they both are crap

He’s defended because a lot of people associate his music with good times and friends. A lot of them grew up with MJ music or had a parent that did so they associate it with summer time, parties and social stuff from their youth. To accept that this music was made by a child predator and deeply disturbed individual is too difficult for many people. I think just looking at all the evidence and how we treat these crimes now, it goes without say thing that MJ was a child predator and a severe threat to children and society.

….So what are his principles? There isn’t a list?

I’ve done a lot of contemplation on this question and it’s a good one but first, be careful with all the questions. Asking questions is good but sometimes always ask sometimes hobbles you from other faculties that can lead you to some wisdom. Anyways, here’s the answer. You gotta be aligned spiritually and from your authentic flow just choose the immediate belief that you can reach for which is helpful towards your life. Wu Wei, the most authentic and true choice in the moment with the least amount of resistance. You ain’t gonna ever have a definitive answer on this because it’s arbitrary and there’s so many people with so many different foundations and unique selves, the list is 10,000 things long. I’ll give you an example. I used to do pick up and I used to believe every single woman that I met secretly wanted to fuck me or be with me, especially if I was able to start a conversation with them. I literally believed this, I kid you not, and it felt good. I felt handsome, I walked with pride. Who wouldn’t if literally every hot girl wanted to fuck them? I was able to relax with this belief. I felt good taking action with this belief and I achieved what I set out to do which was to have sex with a several women and find a girlfriend, which I did all this and this belief even led me to meeting my now wife. In hindsight I was able to reflect on this period of my life and in fact, no, it was not completely accurate and true that every woman I spoke to wanted to fuck me. I’d say there were a lot of women who weren’t interested and many times dated didn’t work out (of course I had my own excuses to defend my belief). My point is that your beliefs are powerful and that you need to sometimes choose sometimes playful, sometimes inspiring beliefs even if they aren’t necessarily completely accurate from every perspective. If you’re poor, you are doing yourself no favors if for a moment you look to contemplate and blame outside circumstances for your life. Obviously we are not in control of everything, obviously yes we are all dealt different hands and cards to play. But you can’t function always from introspection trying to strip everything down, you gotta pith your tent on something so why not do it on something truthful that feels good and leads you to taking action. Cause while the truth is not every woman wanted to fuck me, many actually did when I believed this and I was able to achieve what I set out to do Believe in yourself like they always say. This will take you further than trying to understand every nuance about reality.

That’s what you get for voting Trump

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