Why are you telling people how to get liberated (when you aren’t liberated)?

[PurpleTree]

I quite often see people here telling others what to do to get liberated or enlightened.

And when i ask them if they‘re liberated they say no or deflect.

Why do you claim to have this knowledge?

I mean trying to help is nice i guess.

But it’s like the blind leading the blind.

Maybe you‘re on a "path“ which you think will end in liberation but it’s just another dead end. And now you’re guiding others to the same dead end?

Anyway it’s not that important just asking.

 

Purp Gang

[PurpleTree]

GPT

The phrase “the blind leading the blind” originates from the Bible and is often used metaphorically to describe a situation where uninformed or unqualified people are guiding others who are equally uninformed.

 

 

Biblical Reference:

 

 

The phrase appears in the Gospel of Matthew 15:14 (KJV):

 

“Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”

 

 

Context:

 

 

Jesus said this in response to the Pharisees, who were criticizing His disciples for not following traditional ceremonial handwashing. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites, teaching man-made traditions instead of God’s commandments. He warned His followers not to follow such leaders, implying that they were spiritually blind and misleading others.

 

 

Meaning:

 

 

Literal meaning: If someone who is physically blind tries to lead another blind person, they are likely to fall into danger.

Spiritual application: People who lack spiritual insight or truth cannot guide others effectively, and both will end up in ruin if they continue on a misguided path.

 

 

 

[James123]

27 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I quite often see people here telling others what to do to get liberated or enlightened.

And when i ask them if they‘re liberated they say no or deflect.

Why do you claim to have this knowledge?

I mean trying to help is nice i guess.

But it’s like the blind leading the blind.

Maybe you‘re on a "path“ which you think will end in liberation but it’s just another dead end. And now you’re guiding others to the same dead end?

Anyway it’s not that important just asking.

 

Purp Gang

Actually, one can not be liberated or enlightened. Because the one who is trying to liberate or enlightened is an illusion itself.

Dropping the self (not only body or mind, self is entire duality) is being conscious of You are already.

It’s what remains when the whole illusion of someone awakening falls away.

But there is no one left behind the eyes.

Only Being as it always was.

Already.

[Hojo]

Blind means not awakened. When you awaken you will see you were living life blindfolded basically. Ie priests leading a church.

Edited yesterday at 04:24 PM by Hojo

[Breakingthewall]

People don't understand that being "liberated" or "enlightened" is an energetic state. It's a way of flowing: open versus closed. So, you can fluctuate between the two. By default, we operate in a closed state, so achieving an open state isn't easy and it's not permanent.

Anyone who says enlightenment is knowing something is operating from a closed state. Almost everyone in spirituality operates from that state, but they believe they're enlightened because they've expanded the normal human frame into one where they believe they are consciousness or God or whatever. It's still a closed frame. The open frame is being totally open to the living flow of reality, and with that, perceiving the unlimited absolute and being the unlimited absolute. It's something absolutely alive and direct, centerless and open, without borders or edges. 

[Salvijus]

Status means nothing. It's quality of the word that matters. Many have proclaimed themselves as enlightened, few actually speak wisdom. Evaluating information based on the status of the speaker is a path to endless deception. 

Edited yesterday at 04:54 PM by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Status means nothing. It's quality of the word that matters. Many have proclaimed themselves as enlightened, few actually speak wisdom. 

who judge the quality of the word? 

Edited yesterday at 04:48 PM by Breakingthewall

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

who judge the quality of the word? 

The only judge there is - you. 

[PurpleTree]

11 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Status means nothing. It's quality of the word that matters. Many have proclaimed themselves as enlightened, few actually speak wisdom. Evaluating information based on the status of the speaker is a path to endless deception. 

It’s like someone who never had chocolate trying to explain what it tastes like to someone else who never had chocolate?

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The only judge there is - you. 

Sure, but you will see accurate what resonates with you, then if you are In the typical state of suffering/rumination, limited, with fear and confusion, thats the tipical when you feel attracted by spirituality, when you hear someone say: You are creating your suffering with your mental activity, due to erroneous thought patterns. To change them, you must realize that the self is illusory and that there is no one. Then you will believe that and try to create a no-self mental framework, limiting yourself even more

Edited yesterday at 04:57 PM by Breakingthewall

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s like someone who never had chocolate trying to explain what it tastes like to someone else who never had chocolate?

It's like you're trying to know what is the best chocolate by blindly believing in what the advertisement brands are telling you rather than tasting it yourself. 

Edited yesterday at 05:04 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

I think this is what cult leaders often do. They are confident in their delusions. Then they lead others into drinking the suicide juice or what ever.

[Salvijus]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, but you will see accurate what resonates with you, then if you are In the typical state of suffering/rumination, limited, with fear and confusion, thats the tipical when you feel attracted by spirituality, when you hear someone say: You are creating your suffering with your mental activity, due to erroneous thought patterns. To change them, you must realize that the self is illusory and that there is no one. Then you will believe that and try to create a no-self mental framework.

It's true that our judgment is not perfect but it's the only one we have. The whole point of the game is to cultivate discernment, so it's okay to make mistakes, it's part of the process. 

Edited yesterday at 05:08 PM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

I think this is what cult leaders often do. They are confident in their delusions. Then they lead others into drinking the suicide juice or what ever.

That's precisely my point. That's how people end up in such places when they look at the status rather than the quality of word. 

[Breakingthewall]

35 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It's true that our judgment is not perfect but it's the only one we have. The whole point of the game is to cultivate discernment, so it's okay to make mistakes, it's part of the process. 

Yeah, at a given moment, something can resonate with you very deeply, and even if you later realize it was a limited perspective at the time, it made you take a step toward opening up. Whether you stay there forever or keep moving forward until the end is up to you.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:37 PM by Breakingthewall

[Lyubov]

Because it isn’t about perfection. You can know something works and even be living truthfully and still make some mistakes. I do not believe in enlightenment in the way this word is often used and the way people frame things here. To me there is a way of life and a state (you could maybe label it a state) which is the byproduct of living the way. But it opens so many doors to the unknown where this term enlightenment in an of itself is like infinitely evolving, infinitely unable to be labeled, it breaks down and starts to dissolve itself. So all that is left is just pointing towards it. I think if you are looking for people to learn from, asses how humble they are, how honest they are, how kind, balanced and flexible they are and most importantly if what they are saying can be applied to your life to make it better, peaceful and more authentic. 

[PurpleTree]

To me it seems a bit similar as to often why the wrong people want to become politicians.

It’s just the loudest voices, enjoying attention and such.

Mostly noise.

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

To me it seems a bit similar as to often why the wrong people want to become politicians.

It’s just the loudest voices, enjoying attention and such.

Mostly noise.

That's why cultivating discernment is important, to know who's who. 

[PurpleTree]

21 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

That's why cultivating discernment is important, to know who's who. 

I mean you’re one of the gang of the guys who tells others what to do without being liberated and stuff, no? 🦭 

[Salvijus]

12 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean you’re one of the gang of the guys who tells others what to do without being liberated and stuff, no? 🦭 

How did you conclude that?