Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

[Yimpa]

On 3/25/2023 at 0:56 PM, Yimpa said:

Once this thread reaches 1,000 posts, somebody will awaken

Alright, show of hands…

… who here is AWAKE?! 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

Alright, show of hands…

… who here is AWAKE?! 

This post was not for a Show of hands - it was a Call to Arms.  

[Bobby_2021]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Excuse me? You what?

Apologies for the confusion.

What I meant is that I understood what you were saying.

But at the same time, I don't see what is there to understand about reality as a whole.

Understanding things is a noble pursuit and I would love to realise that you can understand reality as a whole. At this point I can only understand finite things and it's a great source of joy for me. 

For me Understanding whole of reality is a lesser complicated phenomenon than understanding a doorknob or a tree. Precisely because it's amechanical. 

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Understanding has nothing to do with mechanicalness. These are independent issues.

This is what I wanted to know. 

But my point is subtler, still.

I am saying that understanding reality is trivial and not something profound.

You can just dream up distinctions. That's all. What's so awesome about it? I do this every night in my sleep. Reality is the same as nightly dreams, but it has more distinctions.

Literally what else there is.

As far as reality/God is concerned, you can simply imagine up a tree or a dog and that would make up no difference.

Now, I am talking about understanding reality in sober states regardless of whether you have used psychedelics before.

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Just notice that your whole life hinges on understanding. You could not even get through this thread without it.

Understand?

Yes. My life and everything within it is finite. So yeah you can understand it. Also it heavily depends on underlying mechanics.

What I don't understand is how it relates to understanding REALITY AS A WHOLE. 

Reality is infinite. Everything that can be imagined is imagined in reality.

Reality is every configuration of all possible distinctions. What's there to understand about it other than this?

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

For you to know that reality is amechanical would already require extremely profound understanding of it.

So your logic defeats itself.

This is not true.

To understand that reality is amechanical requires you to not make up human bullshit. There is no requirement of serious understanding.

Mechanics is pure bullshit. Of course reality is amechanical. Realisation of amechanicalness of reality is a function inversely proportional to the amount of bullshit in you. 

Not having bullshit is not UNDERSTANDING.

All mechanics is either made up bullshit based on observations. The doorknob could be working in a way that your understanding cannot grasp.

Let's say that you have a chimpanzee, and everytime that chimp pushes the doorknob, a banana is given to it by a machine. The will radically alter chimp's understanding of the doorknob. As far as it is concerned, it's understanding is that you get a banana when you push the knob. And it's correct from it's own perspective perfectly as it is. Maybe you as a human may invalidate that Understanding because you understand the doorknob at even more depth. An alien consciousness may invalidate the human understanding if the knob.

This actually makes sense since FINITE REALITY IS SELF DECEPTION. You do not understand reality. God is fooling you into making you think that you understand finite things. The invention of mechanics is simply self deception. 

The doorknob is merely perception/ imagination and nothing more. You don't even understand the doorknob,  forget the entirety of reality. There is no mechanics to the doorknob. The finite understanding based on mechanics is SELF DECEPTION. 

 

Now with all that said, I don't know if you think that being and comprehension is one thing or not.

If at sufficiently high states of consciousness, if being becomes the same as understanding, then I am wrong. 

Being is dreaming. Dreaming is existence. If dreaming is understanding or virtue of it, then God can comprehend itself.

You should make a video on comprehension. 

[Inliytened1]

@Bobby_2021 I think you are conflating Being with insight.  Being incorporates insight but yet you can also have an insight or an epiphany about a thing, such as God, or Yourself.   

Edited April 4, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Bobby_2021]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Bobby_2021 I think you are conflating Being with insight.  Being incorporates insight but yet you can also have an insight or an epiphany about a thing, such as God, or Yourself.   

Cool. God is the imagination of all possible distinctions.

Is there anything to understand of God more than this?

(Excluding being/experiences of awakenings)

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Cool. God is the imagination of all possible distinctions.

Is there anything to understand of God more than this?

(Excluding being/experiences of awakenings)

Umm...yeah?  You are conceptualizing God.  That's what God wants.  To keep himself asleep.  As stated in an earlier post, God prides itself in staying asleep and conceptualizing itself.  But you can BECOME God.   You are excluding everything that matters!

Edited April 4, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Moksha]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are under the delusion of thinking you understand what I am teaching.

What differs is our understanding of Consciousness & GOD.

I don't think anything about what you are teaching. I've only ever seen two of your videos. You have your own spiritual path, and I thoughtlessly respect it as I respect all inevitable paths, including my own.

The paths of you and other forms mean nothing to this path, except when they resonate with realizing the absolute within. The same is true when I ponder different writings. I love the deepening light, but have no judgment toward anything which doesn't increase its luminosity.

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I don't think anything about what you are teaching. I've only ever seen two of your videos. You have your own spiritual path, and I thoughtlessly respect it as I respect all inevitable paths, including my own.

The paths of you and other forms mean nothing to this path, except when they resonate with realizing the absolute within. The same is true when I ponder different writings. I love the deepening light, but have no judgment toward anything which doesn't increase its luminosity.

You should really watch all of them.  You seem stuck in some flavor of Buddhist dogma. But this is just what I can intuit.  Have you awoken?

Edited April 4, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Umm...yeah?  You are conceptualizing God.  That's what God wants.  To keep himself asleep.  As stated in an earlier post, God prides itself in staying asleep and conceptualizing itself.  But you can BECOME God.   You are excluding everything that matters!

Become God is one thing. Understanding is different. Which I why I clearly mentioned "excluding being/awakenings".

1 hour ago, Squeekytoy said:

No, God is the one imagining those distinctions.

Naah.

13 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I've only ever seen two of your videos.

You won't get anything by this. Watch and re-watch all of them. 

[Moksha]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

If at sufficiently high states of consciousness, if being becomes the same as understanding, then I am wrong. 

I prefer direct knowledge as a pointer vs. understanding, which feels more conceptual. All words are only pointers and have the potential to distract. Silence is the language of the absolute, communicating more purely than anything that has been said in this thread or anywhere else.

@Inliytened1 I have shared my spiritual journey here and elsewhere, but does it matter? Your recent posts in this thread resonate with some of my realizations, for what it's worth.

@all: Maybe it's because I so often quote from Buddhist and Hindu mystics that people mistake me for a believer. I could as easily quote from Christian or Muslim mystics. Whether it's my words, or the words from whatever source I quote, look beyond the surface, and see if anything directly resonates with the absolute within. Don't get caught up in concepts, and don't mistake me for doing the same. I hold no beliefs, beyond the minimum necessary to navigate relative reality.

I will share something I was pondering last night, and directly relates to what is being discussed in this thread. Please just once, look beyond the words.

Keep very quiet and watch what comes to the surface of the mind. Reject the known, welcome the so far unknown and reject it in its turn. Thus you come to a state in which there is no knowledge, only being, in which being itself is knowledge. To know by being is direct knowledge.

[QandC]

On 2023-03-24 at 7:46 AM, Leo Gura said:

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Wood

[GLORY]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I became GOD.
I don't need to make any logical conclusions. I simply enter Omniscience and I know.

How is it like to be omniscient? Can you change physical laws or read minds? You know EVERYTHING?
 

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are taking my doorknob example too literally.
Understanding has nothing to do with mechanicalness.

Why dont you do a better example then, an amechanical one
 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Just notice that your whole life hinges on understanding. You could not even get through this thread without it.

But understanding (to get through a forum) requires memory which you say is imaginary 
Someone who cant read and never seen a computer before has to try first to get experience
through that he gets memory and combined with logic knows its behaviour: 
how to move the cursor with the mouse, what will happen when a certain button is pressed, what certain letters mean, etc 

If you know that mousemovement relates to cursormovement, is this interconnection the understanding you mean?

[Israfil]

43 minutes ago, GLORY said:

But understanding (to get through a forum) requires memory which you say is imaginary 
Someone who cant read and never seen a computer before has to try first to get experience
through that he gets memory and combined with logic knows its behaviour: 
how to move the cursor with the mouse, what will happen when a certain button is pressed, what certain letters mean, etc 

Instead of seeing the present as moving into the past, see the past as the necessary construction you imagined to live this moment in the present. You literally create everything now all the time. 

[Javfly33]

On 25/03/2023 at 5:06 AM, Breakingthewall said:

99.9% of people who are into spirituality are into it to improve their lives. they want to have a more pleasant experience, that's all. very few are genuinely interested in the truth, they are in ending suffering. as leo said at the beginning of this thread, the problem is a lack of understanding. no one understands or wants to understand. no one is even aware that there is understanding beyond the ego

Does being into spirituality for 'understanding' make you morally superior or something like that?

Like, you guys are going to die like everyone else, where you expect to 'exchange' all that understanding? 

I might be 'less spiritual', but if you give me between choosing between not much understand but living life blissed-out , and super-profound understand but living life 'meh', I choose blissed out withouth doubt.

And I believe everybody would. Only that most people don't have a clue how to achieve that, so they turn their innate craving of the soul for boundlessness for infinite accumulation of thought, knowledge, concepts. But the thing is, the latter don't feel nearly as good as actual boundlessness. 

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Does being into spirituality for 'understanding' make you morally superior or something like that?

5 hours ago, Moksha said:

 

not superior, but i wanted to say that mostly of people is in spirituality for a negative reason: scape from suffering. I have become interested in spirituality because I saw that life was a trap, so for a negative reason. but once you get out of it, you fall in love with who you are. you want to go deeper not because you feel bad but because of the beauty of what is, for a positive reason. it's a subtle difference. Imagine that you are in love with someone. You want to deepen that relationship because you are in love and that makes you happier. It's not the same as wanting to be in love to be happier, if you understand me. It's something you can't avoid. It fills you up. there is nothing else. The rest is nonsense, only your beloved matters. In this case your beloved is existence, and you want to penetrate it to the bottom, and for that you need to understand

Edited April 4, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Moksha]

People circle the same glittering diamond at the center of reality, in closer orbits until they finally dissolve into it. Each journey of the absolute is unique, and realizing itself is not restricted to any particular path (not even 5-Me0).

When the absolute awakens within a form, it dissolves the demons of the mind. Not only is there freedom from suffering, but the brilliance of being effortlessly flows through you. It is an infinite source that floods you with light and dissolves all boundaries. It is the expression of absolute unconditional seamless love.

All words, until you sink into the absolute within and beyond them.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Moksha

[puporing]

5 hours ago, Moksha said:

People circle the same glittering diamond at the center of reality, in closer orbits until they finally dissolve into it. Each journey of the absolute is unique, and realizing itself is not restricted to any particular path (not even 5-Me0).

When the absolute awakens within a form, it dissolves the demons of the mind. Not only is there freedom from suffering, but the brilliance of being effortlessly flows through you. It is an infinite source that floods you with light and dissolves all boundaries. It is the expression of absolute unconditional seamless love.

All words, until you sink into the absolute within and beyond them.

though I disagree about the suffering.. it's less for sure when I'm alone and with others "alike", but more if I allow myself to get dragged into things.

Edited April 5, 2023 by puporing

[This]

On 3/24/2023 at 8:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned. This is way more tricky than you ever imagined. My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

I just woke up and now i'm awake. It's ~5 AM which is maybe a bit too early in the morning, but i've got more time to relax and drink a few cups of coffee before going to work. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by This

[Jwayne]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I assume you have a level of spiritual advancement when I speak with you.  If you are a specialist in a certain field and you are having a dialogue with someone and speaking in certain lingo, then it may seem foreign to someone outside of the conversation listening in.  Like, for example, if you are talking about computers to your fellow geek.  Your mom probably won't understand a word you are saying.  So I am assuming you have listened to the videos and have a clue of what I am talking about.  Most who have bothered to create an account on the forum have taken some time to study the work.   So yes, I speak In a very specialized way about Spirituality.  But really, you can replace certain words with other words and they would still mean the same thing.  There is still a very general thing that is being pointed to, regardless of the verbage.

As to your ideas regarding proper contribution, God can't be proven, so that's out.  Don't expect that.

I'm here for a broader conversation than a commentary on Leo Gura's ideas. I don't find the Spiral Dynamics model to be impressive, it's rather reductive, childish and regressive in terms of not being rigorous and almost anti-academic in its foundations. Another one that's popular online is David Hawkins map of consciousness. I don't find that to be very insightful either.

What I do like is meeting people, especially those that are metaphysically-inclined and seeing how they've lived and applied this in their life. The written musings here about psychadelic trips, "god-realizations" and hierarchies of which state is 'higher' are not that interesting. I'd rather learn about the people themselves and make friends that way.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Jwayne

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, GLORY said:

How is it like to be omniscient? Can you change physical laws or read minds? You know EVERYTHING?

It's Heaven.

There is no need to change anything in Heaven because it's perfect.

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Why dont you do a better example then, an amechanical one

Why don't you contemplate your own examples. This isn't rocket science.

What is understanding?

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But understanding (to get through a forum) requires memory which you say is imaginary

Understanding does not require memory.

11 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Apologies for the confusion.

What I meant is that I understood what you were saying.

But at the same time, I don't see what is there to understand about reality as a whole.

Understanding things is a noble pursuit and I would love to realise that you can understand reality as a whole. At this point I can only understand finite things and it's a great source of joy for me. 

For me Understanding whole of reality is a lesser complicated phenomenon than understanding a doorknob or a tree. Precisely because it's amechanical. 

You don't know what you're talking about.

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I am saying that understanding reality is trivial and not something profound.

NO!

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You should make a video on comprehension. 

You should contemplate the nature of understanding/comprehension.

I am not going to solve this problem for you. I am not going to spoon-feed you. You are being mentally lazy.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Leo Gura