Is Nahm banned? Or just demoted?

[Nadosa]

2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Well given how many people were shocked to find out about Nahm's conduct i think i do need to prove something.

Giving cover and defending dishonest and unethical teachers isn't too great either (:

I'm telling you from direct experience and not wanting to feed any of the mind's stories about "myself", a Nahm, Leo or actualized.

There isn't "Nahm" and "his" teaching. If this is understood and inspected, you would instantly stop projecting a "teaching" onto "Nahm". You dont even realize the narrative's given here projected on "Nahm". Nahm is reduced here. To a point of totally dismissing everything about what actually is the case. You blindly follow a narrative.

All I can say here, stay aware of the current narrative. 

This isn't about Nahm man. Nahm didnt want to teach a thing LOL. He just pointed out. Man. And I laughed realizing this.

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Roy said:

As far as I've read you mentioned they were donations. Saying that it's a scam implies you were a victim and therefore not responsible for your actions. Care to elaborate?

They were donations at first and then he started charging. I am responsible for my actions, I should have known he was a charlatan before I started paying him.

He set up a situation where i believed he was an authority and could alleviate my suffering. I thought he had the keys to happiness.

And so I end up in a situation where I am paying in hopes of one day finally understanding his great teaching.

There are guru-disciple relationships and ethics for a reason

[Inliytened1]

32 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

No, i mean I am bitter and part of my post is motivated by shadow motivations so it's not like my criticism is coming from pure harmony.

But Nahm isn't a good teacher or an honest person, it just took me a while to realize it.

I am being excessive, but Nahm was also unethical and fraudulent.

 

I could be wrong again..but I don't feel he was purposely swindling.  He may have been a spiritual "coo coo" in a sense..but that was just him.  He probably honestly thought he could give you liberation or awakening or peace of mind..whatever.. in other words it came from a place of love..but it seems he's not playing with a full deck.  Again I don't want to pounce on him I just want to mention that.  He didn't seem like a guy purposely out to scam you..he was way too out there for something like that.  However that said..you knew him better and you could be right.

[Raptorsin7]

1 minute ago, Nadosa said:

I'm telling you from direct experience and not wanting to feed any of the mind's stories about "myself", a Nahm, Leo or actualized.

There isn't "Nahm" and "his" teaching. If this is understood and inspected, you would instantly stop projecting a "teaching" onto "Nahm". You dont even realize the narrative's given here projected on "Nahm". Nahm is reduced here. To a point of totally dismissing everything about what actually is the case. You blindly follow a narrative.

All I can say here, stay aware of the current narrative. 

This isn't about Nahm man. Nahm didnt want to teach a thing LOL. He just pointed out. Man. And I laughed realizing this.

If he wasn't trying to teach anything then why did he continue to do calls with me for 8 months and accept over 6-8 thousands dollars in donations?

Okay so what has this "understanding" done for your life? What changed?

[RevoCulture]

10 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I actually just read Leos opening post about demoting Nahm.

I have to admit something though I mean no ill will towards Nahm.

I noticed early on he was a respected member of the forum. As I have been increasing in my own awareness, reading books, contemplating, having awakenings and stuff I started to notice Nahms style of communication to not be helpful. The more aware and awake you are.... There should be a correlate of being personable, and people being able to speak to you and to find common ground. There have actually been many moments where I felt frustrated with this person because it was like "Yeah, sure, but don't you get the relative contextual situation I am in here at all?" Like, after a point I felt like I was talking to a wall of "Not this Not that" When reality actually "has this and that" and we need to be intelligent and emotionally intelligent enough to communicate with people at their level. It was a bit frustrating for me to read his responses to me at times.

Though, yes he did help and at times gave good advice and was a great person to speak to. I like Nahm, but I do not like being spoken to in the way he often does on the forum. It's almost like... people can get so lost in a bubble of concepts (which is what I think is sort of ironic about Nahm) we get lost in these 'spiritual' concepts of "Nothingness" "No self" "Reality is imagination" that we sort of stunt our own intelligence to be human. 

I don't know what the right thing to do is/ way. But, I agree with Leo his frustrations. Reading the pms between the two of them was also very telling that Nahm could be lacking emotional or contextual awareness.

There was times I would share an insight or awakening. He would be like "Thats just thoughts" or "Be like this forum member here" which I found difficult. I had to use these interacts to ground myself further into my own truth. I had to stop unconsciously giving my authority to 'Mods' or 'others' on the forum. 

 

Nice post.. Balanced.. Fair.. Honest..

[allislove]

@Leo Gura thank you for the pointers through the youtube videos at the beginning of the self realization journey but you are got caught in the psychedelics & spiritual ego trap... with the levels of consciousness, highest teachings and other bullshit. @Nahm could help you to let those believes go through one-to-one sessions but you won't listen since there is a strong believe in "I'm a teacher having the highest teachings". Sure, I admire how much you did for the society with your free youtube content... I wish you will see what Nahm was pointing out all the time with believing in content of thinking. Please, demode me as well. Let clarity shine in you my friend ?

[puporing]

3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

He set up a situation where i believed he was an authority and could alleviate my suffering. I thought he had the keys to happiness.

And so I end up in a situation where I am paying in hopes of one day finally understanding his great teaching.

Yeah a lot of therapists do this too unfortunately... Yes some was helpful but some you can tell are trying to drag things out with you and keep telling you you're still sick to keep you seeing them at pretty outrageous prices. It's really hard to tell the difference when you're in a vulnerable place.

[Thought Art]

4 minutes ago, Loba said:

@Roy Tell me about it, I have tried other forums in the past and they ended up getting to be too toxic as a collective, but this place seems to, for the most part, not have as much of that toxicity - but it could, and that's what we all together have to work on as a community.

Leo does a really good job maintaining it here. It's always gonna be ugly to enforce and too clean. We are dealing with a lot of people of varying education and maturity levels. 

Honestly, Leo probably has to do a lot of guess work because enforcing this shit is hard. He has his own devilry to deal with, plus everyone else's. Unfortunately there is a 'groundlessness' of control that is always a risk.

@allislove Maybe he did. But, maybe there is more going on here. It was not really possible to speak to Nahm at times. These spiritual insights of "not self" or whatever are useful. But we also need emotional intelligence and contextual awareness. 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Thought Art

[Nadosa]

3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

If he wasn't trying to teach anything then why did he continue to do calls with me for 8 months and accept over 6-8 thousands dollars in donations?

Okay so what has this "understanding" done for your life? What changed?

The expectation of change changed to full recognition of felt guidance and being who I already and always have been. ME. 

[allislove]

@Thought Art  ?‍♂️

Here's emotional intelligence just for you: https://www.actualityofbeing.com/the-emotional-scale

[Gili Trawangan]

8 minutes ago, allislove said:

@Leo Gura thank you for the pointers through the youtube videos at the beginning of the self realization journey but you are got caught in the psychedelics & spiritual ego trap... with the levels of consciousness, highest teachings and other bullshit. @Nahm could help you to let those believes go through one-to-one sessions but you won't listen since there is a strong believe in "I'm a teacher having the highest teachings". Sure, I admire how much you did for the society with your free youtube content... I wish you will see what Nahm was pointing out all the time with believing in content of thinking. Please, demode me as well. Let clarity shine in you my friend ?

Indeed. Fully agree with this, and would do the same in your shoes.

[Thought Art]

@allislove Yeah, well emotional intelligence isn't a website.

I am not saying anything definitive of him here.

Just thoughts, feelings, observations. 

Like, if someone is trying to speak to you or you someone else and they reflect everything to the point you can't speak to them... that kinda thing to me suggests some sort of lack of awareness or differencing in programming.

I don't say this as a judgemental person. I see myself make these mistakes too.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Thought Art

[allislove]

1 minute ago, Gili Trawangan said:

Indeed. Fully agree with this, and would do the same in your shoes.

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Whatever... it's just sad to see Leo to be so caught in those believes, since he's truly was a huge help in spiritual journey on this side of screen.

[Jodistrict]

27 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

They were donations at first and then he started charging. I am responsible for my actions, I should have known he was a charlatan before I started paying him.

He set up a situation where i believed he was an authority and could alleviate my suffering. I thought he had the keys to happiness.

And so I end up in a situation where I am paying in hopes of one day finally understanding his great teaching.

There are guru-disciple relationships and ethics for a reason

I was taken to the cleaners once by a fake guru and it was a valuable lesson.  I learned that I am 100 percent responsible for my own suffering and there is no “authority” out there that can save me.  The fakes can only take people who are in the marketplace looking for someone to take them.  If you are using the word “authority” and trying to figure out who is enlightened and who is not enlightened (a silly, meaningless task), then you are already on the hamster wheel running one’s little legs faster and faster to get to nowhere.  
 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Jodistrict

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, allislove said:

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Whatever... it's just sad to see Leo to be so caught in those believes, since he's truly was a huge help in spiritual journey on this side of screen.

I  have directly validated  every facet of awakening that Leo has had.  These are not beliefs.   I actually had several before him and before he began teaching them here.  Namely the awakening in which you are in an expanded state of consciousness and you become conscious thst everything is your own mind.  And I still have the PM where I told Leo about it.  A few weeks later he had the same awakening and began teaching it more extensively.  These are not beliefs.  Don't take them as beliefs either of course.  They can be validated.  Yes we use language as pointers to talk about God..but it doesn't mean the finger is the moon.   Thought should never be demonized.  Egoic thought can be deception and illusion but it is still through Mind that we realize Mind.

Nahm was not teaching God realization..I don't know why.  Maybe he wasn't awakened.  I don't wanna speculate and it's irrelevant..but he was not teaching that.  He was teaching no self and that was it.  The road is over there is no one to wake up.  God is a thought.  This is wrong..  awakening goes beyond no self although thst Is a massive awakening.  His teachings didn't go far enough and were actually a perversion of the Truth in a way.. and towards the end he just became a madman actually.

[mandyjw]

9 minutes ago, allislove said:

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Whatever... it's just sad to see Leo to be so caught in those believes, since he's truly was a huge help in spiritual journey on this side of screen.

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[Gili Trawangan]

5 minutes ago, allislove said:

?♥️ 

Whatever... it's just sad to see Leo to be so caught in those believes, since he's truly was a huge help in spiritual journey on this side of screen.

Same here.

The first video explaining enlightenment, "the most shocking truth" or something like that, was the jump start to my spiritual journey.

I didn't think it would come to this...

[Reciprocality]

@Inliytened1 If he have not experienced them (the awakenings) then he can only take their contents so far as they are more then his understanding of the words you speak as beliefs.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Reciprocality

[allislove]

@Inliytened1 in the message your quoted by 'those believes' I was pointing to believes like that:

A) I hold the highest teachings

B) 5-MeO gives me the Truth

C) There are levels of consciousness and I hold the highest

 

 

 

 

 

[RMQualtrough]

43 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Lol yeah, it was a few years ago but he got me.

I don't have an issue with spending money, but I do have an issue when vulnerable people are exploited and led on for financial gain

I'd care, you got legit SCAMMED out of nearly 10K. Scammed. This entire industry is a scam joke.

You coulda just done a good bufo ceremony in Mexico or w.e. and immediately be wiser than Leo and all these people (until you sober up ofc).