Vivaldo

Why suicide is not an option?

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I really really want a very very strong argument on why suicide is not a solution to the problem of life.

I have been looking for a good counter argument myself but so far I am not convinced by anyone.

So let's see who can provide a genius perspective on this and convince me.

 

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Life isn't a problem that has to be solved. It is an ever transforming, never ending art piece that you as the Creator are designing every moment. 

Let go of thinking that life is a problem, that way of thinking will never serve you, and start creating. Move towards discovering who you really are and who you want to be.  

 


The how is what you build, the why is in your heart. 

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That it would cause massive suffering to those who are close to you.   In my opinion that's the strongest argument. But if someone is selfish then of course that argument is useless.

And personally I think that maybe we are here to learn and grow, and that suicide would disrupt that process.

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The fact that you're still communicating means that there's still a part of you that wants to continue living, 

 

i've been in that darkness place you're right now, the best i can tell you is try to avoid being alone most of the time, that shit can drive you insane

 

also enroll into some sport you like eg soccer, baseball. Better it be physical, because it makes you sweat and feel connected to your body

 

 

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@Vivaldo There is nothing in death that cannot be in life. I don't say that as if I knew what death is, but because I know what life is. A boundless dream.

You are as free to live in joy as you are to commit suicide.


Everyone is waiting for eternity but the Shaman asks: "how about today?"

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You dont want to die, you want to live better. Suicide is when you want to get away from uncomfortable feelings like depression and anxiety, the egos fantasy is that in death it will find relief, why not find relief here in life, change the feelings in your body and you will not want to die. 

Source: Was suicidal on and off for 10 years.

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Dont look at me! Look inside!

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Because you fear death. 


"life is not a problem to be solved ..its a mystery to be lived "

-Osho

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@Vivaldo

Life is not a problem.

Life is a very beautiful experience to an infinite degree.

Also. When we kill ourselves we leave so many people with a ton of emotional pain for the rest of their lives.

Now i know what you will say: "But what if nobody cares about me"

Maybe. But i cannot believe that this is or was the case for any human being ever.

But lets just go through with it:

Lets say that nobody cares about you, nobody ever will and that you are completely alone in this world

Does this mean you should kill yourself?

No, i don´t think so. Why am i saying this?

Because as much as you may want to commit suicide in this situation, there will always be this voice in your head saying:

"What if? What if there is somebody that actually cares about me? What will i miss experiencing if i leave this world? What is my purpose? Why am i alive? What happens when i die? Will i go to heaven or hell? Will nobody be waiting for me if i kill myself? But what if there is actually somebody waiting who then shows all the things i could have experienced that are now forever lost?"
 

And on And on And on. 

These questions never end and not knowing and wanting to find out will ultimately keep you alive.

This is honestly the main reason why i did not kill myself almost 3 years ago now. This is a true story, i have experienced it.

I had an awakening right before my second suicide attempt, something that told me to stay and i listened to this voice.

This may sound like complete nonsense and utter bullshit that i just made up for the sake of the argument to you.

You can believe that if you want. But i assure you i am not making this up.

I experienced it and can tell you from this experience, the essence of life is infinitely beautiful and loving to an unbelievable degree.

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I love you infinitely. I will find you forever in every life time because you and me are one. You and me eternally breathing life and bluming 

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@Vivaldo You cannot escape life. you will just take another form and another identity. So if you killed yourself, your consciousness will find a new "host" for it. You cannot escape life by killing the body. But you can escape your current body. But don't give up on life yet. premature suicide carries its own karma. 


I am the only thing stopping myself from receiving infinite Love form Myself. I am Infinite Love for god sake.

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@Vivaldo Suicide is an action driven by impurities.

Impurities comprised of egoic defence responses to the various traumas of life.

These impurities are like parasites upon us, and therefore are not us.

We find ourselves in our intuition. Our intuition, or soul, is what is left once we are stripped of our impurities.

And our intuition would generally never direct us to end our own lives. Therefore, generally we would never direct ourselves to end our own lives.

 

 

Therefore, generally, no one ever commits suicides. It is their parasitical impurities that end up killing them.

 

NB: I use generally in extreme circumstances, such as an act of heroism.

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"I wanted only to try to live in accord with my true Self. Why was that so very difficult?" - Herse

"As soon as you trust yourself, you will know how to live.” - Goethe

"There are no bad parts" - Schwartz

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Of course it IS an option. It always is. Don't get me wrong, I'm IN NO WAY encouraging you to do it, but it'd straight up be false to deny that it IS an option. I don't know what your beliefs about death are, but here are my two cents on the matter:

There's no evidence that anything  you currently call "you" will survive death. What was there "before you were born"? What is there when "you" are in deep sleep? No matter what that is, I think upon some close contemplation you could agree that it is totally impersonal and the "you" that you currently think you are does not experience any of that state.

So, of course, you can decide to end life, but you will end up there, anyway. As far as I see it, there isn't any evidence that anything we do in life actually matters beyond the moment that it is happening, because everything we know as the world will (and, as a fact, does so every moment) perish and leave not a wreck behind. So, whether you're happy or miserable doesn't matter one bit in the end. Death is the great equator, the great liberator, in a way, because both kings and peasants will end up as a pile of rotting bones. This doesn't mean that death is something to be sought out, but it also doesn't mean that it is something to be avoided at all costs. Death is as pointless as life is.

Now, this might sound bleak and nihilistic, as if nothing mattered, but even the fact that nothing matters does not matter.

Another point that has helped me, because I also find myself in the place you're in time and again: How's "your" body? Does it really want to die? And if so, why doesn't it? Once it's time to die, there's nothing that "you" could do about it. As long as the body is relatively alive and well, there's reason to live, simply because the body wants to. The body is also the prerequisite for ANY action (at least in the everyday state of consciousness), thought and emotions are completely powerless without the body, maybe they're not even possible without the body, but that I don't know. You'd even need the body to kill the body. So, why live? Because you're still alive. The ego mind might not like this point, but apparently, as long as the body is relatively fine, everything's okay.

Maybe some of this helps, I wrote this to you as much as I wrote it to myself haha:$

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At a very basic level, think of all the people you love in this world. Do you think they will be better off without you?

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3 hours ago, Vivaldo said:

@alpha_ulrich I won't be there to think about them

There you have your answer: "You" seem to see the problem of life and "you" want it solved. But the "you" that sees the problem won't get to see the apparent "solution". So, it only seems like a solutiuon from this side of the equation. That also makes any thought about death rather moot, because they only make sense on this side, and not even there really. Any thought you have about death is not it.

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@Vivaldo

It is just Us as the Infinite Soul, all souls are like partitions in the Infinite Soul. Yet there is no separation, no place where one begins and another ends, just a seamless feild of Divine Consciousness. 

It is just You as Infinity, it is just You incarnated into every soul in the universe. You will be missed by those who love you, they are all You incarnated in different ways. 


The how is what you build, the why is in your heart. 

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On 9/5/2021 at 3:25 AM, Vivaldo said:

problem of life

Why do you say this? Does life not have the solution in it, as well?

17 hours ago, Vivaldo said:

Plus there no people in the world 

It's just me

Bullshit.


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Why fight it?  Look for reasons where it is an option:

Most people don't need to... rarely is it an option if you need it.  These videos can help.  Looking at it from a distanced perspective, 3rd person perspective.  Be as rational as possible, not emotional when you dissect this.  Create the right mood or wait for the right mood to happen when you can really dissect it from that distanced place.

Also, I have been there and understand how it feels if anyone feels this way please send me a note to talk. <3

 

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suicide will not end your pain, it will make you to reincarnate to a worse life. this will be repeated until you learn the lesson of life without quitting the game. learn the fuckin' lesson and climb up in the spiritual realm. 


"If you kick me when I'm down, you better pray I don't get up"

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