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Biological men that have transitioned to trans women with testosterone blockers have reduced muscle mass and strength that become comparable to women.

proof? O.o

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Part of the shame about Joe Rogan is that there are reasonable Conservatives who are worth having a dialog with (his show with Gary Johnson, the former Libertarian Presidential candidate comes to mind). 

Joe does a very good job at being open to different viewpoints, while at the same time retaining the ability to push back against things he disagrees with, while still retaining a conversational tone. The problem is that reasonable voices on the right become overshadowed by the platforming of dangerous bullshit artists like Alex Jones or Ben Shapiro. That's in addition to irresponsibly spreading Conspiracies and false equivalencies about politics.

I think Rogan probably means well, but is struggling to use his immense platform in a socially responsible way. And labeling him as a trans-phobe is an overreaction. Hell, Vaush made a good case that trans inclusion in sports is not a black and white issue, and there's going to be some growing pains as we figure this out.

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The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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41 minutes ago, Yali said:

@Forestluv

proof? O.o

Using the term “comparable” might not be the most precise. There is a considerable alteration of body fat and lean muscle mass in trans women, yet they still have greater strength, on average, than cis women. Especially during the first year. In most competitive sports, I don’t think it’s fair for TW to compete against CW. Yet it’s also not fair to suggest a TW is a guy competing against women.

It also depends on the timing of therapy. Hormonal therapy before or during puberty will have a much more dramatic impact than after puberty.

Here is one research article showing biological feminization of TW. 

https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/178/2/EJE-17-0496.xml

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1 hour ago, Yali said:

@Sempiternity should we respect non-human identities? (say I identify as a pencil)

All identities are relative and imaginary in the end.


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49 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

This isn’t true. Biological men that have transitioned to trans women with testosterone blockers have reduced muscle mass and strength that become comparable to women.

To a degree. But it still won't be fair to biological women. You are not going to entirely reverse a lifetime of biological manhood by taking some chemicals. Take height, for example. Men are taller than women on average, and no chemicals will reverse that. And it won't end there.


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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a grave mistake to assume that a Yellow person is beyond ego.

That's a good point. It's only at Turquoise where there is a global awareness. Every us-vs-them mentality is ego consciousness, every nation is a collective ego, every ideology is an egoic structure. Of course second tier also includes the first tier stages, so a person at Turquoise transcends the ego yet also includes it.

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Wonder when the security footage from the terrorist attacks will be released? There has to be hundreds of security cameras all around the capitol, covering every every angle. So once the video footage is released, everyone can have a better idea of the events that happened. 

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17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To a degree. But it still won't be fair to biological women. You are not going to entirely reverse a lifetime of biological manhood by taking some chemicals. Take height, for example. Men are taller than women on average, and no chemicals will reverse that. And it won't end there.

I agree in general that that its not fair for TW to compete against CW since they still have several advantages. Yet it’s also not fair to suggest a TW is a guy competing against women. 

It also depends on timing. If the hormone therapy is before or during puberty it has a much more dramatic effect than after puberty. 

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12 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

It also depends on timing. If the hormone therapy is before or during puberty it has a much more dramatic effect than after puberty. 

Not exactly the most ethical thing to let a literal child make such a profound decision with life-long consequences though.

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Just now, Ry4n said:

Not exactly the most ethical thing to let a literal child make such a profound decision with life-long consequences though.

common sense

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Let's not derail this thread with a complex debate about transgender. You can start a separate thread for that.

The only point I care to make here is that Rogan is not a transphobe.


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2 hours ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura

then why not call "she" "he" .. if "she" is still effectively a man

(playing devil's advocate)

There are far more aspects of being a he or she than physical dominance within athletics.

If Mike Tyson wants to cut off his dick and become a she in self-identitication, that is her business and maybe it will make her feel better about herself. But box with girls Ms Tyson should not.


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@Ry4n It’s not that simple. I’ll leave it at that since we shouldn’t derail the thread.

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There are far more aspects of being a he or she than physical dominance within athletics.

It's biological, yes?  @Leo Gura

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1 minute ago, Yali said:

It's biological, yes? @Leo Gura

What is? A dick? Yes. Other aspects, no.


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Humans are way too sophisticated and complex to nail down to basic animal biology. We have long past evolved the basic "ook ook, penis means boy" and just leaving it at that.

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More capital riot fallout. Trump is losing his flavor.

As he faces a lonely end to his presidency, Donald Trump learned Sunday evening that, in the wake of last week's riot at the U.S. Capitol, he has lost one of the relationships he values most: his partnership with the Professional Golfers' Association.

"The PGA of America Board of Directors voted tonight to exercise the right to terminate the agreement to play the 2022 PGA Championship at Trump Bedminster," said Jim Richerson, PGA of America president, in a statement.

Holding the tournament at Trump Bedminster, Richerson said, would be "detrimental" to the PGA of America's brand and put the organization's ability to function "at risk."

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3 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

 

There is some poetic justice in white rural Muricans now getting treated the same way they used to treat Muslims.


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