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Leo what do you think about Rupert's take on Psychedelics?

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24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@James123 Broken record you is.

 i am already what i am. But you are deluded brother. Just trying to help. You ‘did’ help ‘me’ a lot. Much thanks and appreciate. Just trying to help you and love you. You cant even answer the question. Again. Can you Answer the question?

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Thats what truth is being “nothing”. Nothing can never be learned and communicated, can just be. Therefore not knowing. So where is your infinite consciousness is coming from? What is infinite or consciousness ? Who teach you word of “infinite “? How do those people know what “infinite “ is? Is that them direct experience, or something that they have learned? Is there any universal law says that yes it is infinite? What is infinite? 

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1 minute ago, James123 said:

Read the entire sentence. Chair is nothing as me. You need awakening to get this brother. Therefore there is no chair nor me. I am already what i am. 

so you are saying nothing wrote this?

you are replying to no one?

but still you want to change something which is lack of awakening?

nah.

i think you are right.

as you claimed you want to change nothing.

because you are still too scared to leave your gurus behind.

 

 

 

 

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Let me explain what he is saying, everything that is happening, exists is thought, 

time is thought.

you are thought,

your friend is thought..

this comment is thought.

your thoughts are thought.

 

and all of them together make this experience, you can use other word if thought does not suit you well, it just means that everything is construct that is fully made to feel exactly as you experience it, but never the least they are just construct that appear in nothingness.

 

Find your own truth, there is way more out there. 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, James123 said:

Nothing  to negate for ‘me’.

nothing ever happened, because it is infinite. anything or any event, with respect to infinity is the same as zero. but now observe yourself. there is something wrong here right? you are, right? in infinite abundance. the other face. nothing and everything

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10 minutes ago, toocrazytobecrazy said:

so you are saying nothing wrote this?

you are replying to no one?

but still you want to change something which is lack of awakening?

nah.

i think you are right.

as you claimed you want to change nothing.

because you are still too scared to leave your gurus behind.

 

 

 

 

This question has been answered multiple times. Nothing  to negate for ‘me’. But for you something is still happening.  I already know what i am, but you are me too. So just trying to help you. Just read the sentences carefully without any personal opinion. Awakening is not being selfish, it is been selfless. Being no one, therefore everyone. You need awakening, instead of judging, just learn. My guru? Guru is just a thought  ? mind loves to conceptualized?

Peace!

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3 minutes ago, James123 said:

This question has been answered multiple times. Nothing  to negate for ‘me’. But for you something is still happening.  I already know what i am, but you are me too. So just trying to help you. Just read the sentences carefully without any personal opinion. Awakening is not being selfish, it is been selfless. Being no one, therefore everyone. You need awakening, instead of judging, just learn. My guru? Guru is just a thought  ? mind loves to conceptualized?

Peace!

You are still judging.

you can't escape it. 

Apparently you don't know it yet but it is you who is judging.

Being selfish is being selfless.

 

 

 

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I guess God has nothing else to do but to obsess over itself and infinitely experience every inch of it's being for eternity :D

The nothingness seems to be the dark vast space almost like the origin of infinity itself. (Its not actually dark!) 


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-The Buddha

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Oh and sorry to double post,

But Osho mentioned something similar to what Leo said.

According to Osho, 

People get to No-Mind consciousness and this level of consciousness is already so peaceful and beautiful that almost all spiritual aspirants stop at this stage thinking they've gone far enough. 

Then the next stages are super consciousness and then Cosmic consciousness, which involve more and more oneness with existence itself. 


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-The Buddha

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7 hours ago, dflores321 said:

Oh and sorry to double post,

But Osho mentioned something similar to what Leo said.

According to Osho, 

People get to No-Mind consciousness and this level of consciousness is already so peaceful and beautiful that almost all spiritual aspirants stop at this stage thinking they've gone far enough. 

Then the next stages are super consciousness and then Cosmic consciousness, which involve more and more oneness with existence itself. 


Unfortunately no. Where do you learn that stuff? Listen the osho carefully. 
 

 

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@James123 watch his video titled: "Moving towards healthier stages of Consciousness" 

Unfortunately I dont know how to put vids here. 


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@dflores321 At last stage he talks about Samadhi, which is nothingness brother. Same thing. ? as the video i shared for you. Thats why he says that he has living for 30 years as nothing. 

Peace!

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@James123 I've seen that video a while ago it's one of my favorites (the nothing one). 

So by nothingness you imply infinity? 


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Poor take by Rupert. He clearly has no understanding of psychedelic's, and dismisses them so casually as a tool to pursue enlightenment. 

He talks about how psychidelics can be used to thin the cloud of thoughts and feelings that prevent people from recognizing the nature of their being, and sais they can work well for that. That is literally what 99.99999% of his viewers are struggling with lol. He doesn't even take the time to consider and understand a tool that addresses the root of what every spiritual seeker deals with.

Rupert is awesome, but he's human and his take on psychidelics sucks.  

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@SQAAD His own sun analogy fails him as it's obvious there are degrees of sunlight.

Don't take psychedelic advice from people who have not done lots of psychedelics.

There are certainly degrees of awareness and consciousness.

This confusion happens with spiritual teachers because they mistake pure empty consciousness with states of higher holistic God-consciousness. These are different things. If your only focus is pure empty consciousness, then yes, that has no degrees or qualities to it. But that's a bias and it's not the highest form of consciousness, it's the lowest.

In a sense, you can strive for the lowest possible level or the highest. Zen and Advaita strive for the lowest. Which is fine, but it's only half the game. Just because you've reached the lowest level: zero, does not mean you've reached the highest levels of Infinite Consciousness.

What people like Spira are guiding you towards is the lowest level. And what I'm guiding you to is the highest. Hence there is a disparity and confusion. The problem is that this distinction is not made clear to students and teachers love to dismiss the higher levels because they love to reduce everything to the lowest. It's a form of spiritual reductionism. People like Ralston fall into this trap.

When your only method is something like self-inquiry or meditation, you end up reducing everything down to pure emptiness. Which is not the same thing as Infinite Consciousness or God-consciousness. The problem is that self-inquiry is not enough to get you to Infinite Consciousness. It gets you to emptiness, which is nice, but not the end-all.

And psychedelics can get you to emptiness too. So his characterization of psychedelics are merely expanding the range of experience is simply false. Psychedelics will do both. They will expand range but also make you conscious of emptiness and the groundless ground.

This. End of discussion.

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Modern psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT and DMT are new.

 

I think Rupert is right; if the obstruction "in the way" of consciousness is the self, loosening the bolts which hold this self together via psychedelics just provides a different type of obscuration. This cannot bring  "you" "nearer" to something which is not located in time or space. Even with 5 Meo, which is a useful experience, there is still content present of at least a visual nature which includes something as blank as a whiteout- even if "no-one" is perceiving it.. Psychedelics' utility is their effect on the self which shows it to be an activity rather than something more solid/objective, and provides a newer vantage-point from which to approach the work. 

And to describe 5 Meo DMT, and even more so DMT as "new" is patent rubbish. Nick Sand was synthesising and vaporizing DMT back in the 60s, as did Roky Erickson, Grace Slick, Alan Watts, Tim Leary and many others, no doubt. And its oral use extends back millennia.

All teachers have something to offer but to slavishly assume any can "guide you all the way" is delusional. That is why one must do the work for oneself. But if one is to weigh up the utility of any teacher a useful yardstick, which is always going to be preliminary, is to judge them on their achievements. Do they talk, or do they walk as well? Some clearly have eg Ralston (IMO), others have fewer concrete demonstrations to display.

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8 hours ago, Nahm said:

 

I think you know of something Rupert can never know. 

@Nahm   Spot on.

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are stuck on the nothingness side of the coin. You're missing the complete coin. So ironically you're stuck in duality.

There is no such a thing as duality, universe, infinite consciousness, time or space. There are Just a thought. As saying infinite consciousness, it is clear to see that you are stuck in duality. Because it is something that you have learned. But you can never learn nothing, because you are already. Which never comes from knowledge or learning. Truth can never be told, can just be. You can Read the below. 

7 hours ago, dflores321 said:

So by nothingness you imply infinity? 

There is no such a thing as infinity, time or space. They are Just thought. You can read the below. 

Nirvichara Samadhi

For the first time, true one-pointed concentration becomes possible. Even subtle thoughts do not occur. The perceptual limitations of time and space are transcended; this state is called Nirvichara Samadhi.

Kaivalya Samadhi

The final stage is to reach Kaivalya Samadhi: complete, final, and eternal union with the real, eternal form.

Which is nothingness. Osho is talking about final stage as this. Thats why he is saying that he has been nothing for 30 years.

https://vedicfeed.com/stages-of-samadhi/

Peace!

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Btw there is a small chance he might be lying. His wife did dmt with one of my friends quite a few times. He once asked Rupert and he said he would come at some point to try but I don't think he ever did. This was like 4 years ago, he is more aware of this stuff then he is letting on just might be trying to keep face. 

Edit: I live near Rupert so I use to see him all the time but due to covid he has stopped touring but next time I see him Im going to see if he's up for shoving some 5meo up the pipe hole 

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1 hour ago, Globalcollective said:

Btw there is a small chance he might be lying. His wife did dmt with one of my friends quite a few times. He once asked Rupert and he said he would come at some point to try but I don't think he ever did. This was like 4 years ago, he is more aware of this stuff then he is letting on just might be trying to keep face.

Might be, he is too supportive of psychedelics for a person who hasn't tried them :D 


I love Rupert pointers, his yoga meditations are amazing:

 

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