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Why is suicide discouraged?

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@F E A R L E S S God is Total/Complete/Whole/One

So it is larger then any possible infinity now see this in your direct experience. 

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3 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@F E A R L E S S God is Total/Complete/Whole/One

So it is larger then any possible infinity now see this in your direct experience. 

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how does that link to my argument? Isn't that more fuel for my argument?

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3 minutes ago, F E A R L E S S said:

Will all experiences be experienced if this condition is true?

This discussion is totally irrelevant and the answer is intangible. This forum is not a place for theosophy.

Teachings aligned with "accept everything" and its variants have their place. Take some responsibility for what you're saying, "for God's sake". Becoming too attached to non-dual dialects so that you forget the basics of what it means to be alive as a human being is offtrack.


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Just now, ajasatya said:

This discussion is totally irrelevant and the answer is intangible. This forum is not a place for theosophy.

Teachings aligned with "accept everything" and its variants have their place. Take some responsibility for what you're saying, "for God's sake". Becoming too attached to non-dual dialects so that you forget the basics of what it means to be alive as a human being is offtrack.

I'm not being a Theosophist in this conversation. I'm questioning what you presented to this discussion. 

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1 minute ago, F E A R L E S S said:

I'm not being a Theosophist in this conversation. I'm questioning what you presented to this discussion. 

You're not questioning what I presented to this discussion. You're bringing up a messy set of unverifiable assumptions that lead to nowhere.

And yes, that's theosophy. Trying to use regular logic in an intellectual game, playing with words like "infinity"/"absolute" to come up with whatever you want to "prove".


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Suicide is the banalization of the sacred and this is a sin, immoral, or karmically bad. Not from the ego perspective but from the universe itself, the oportunity of life is such a beautifil gift and a loving act, and rejecting this by suicide is so low and wrong...

alsom killing animals for food, i a  lovely act of sacrifice, or eating a plant, is a magic moment that has been banalized. Be mindful every time you eat and what this means.

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22 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

You're not questioning what I presented to this discussion. You're bringing up a messy set of unverifiable assumptions that lead to nowhere.

And yes, that's theosophy. Trying to use regular logic in an intellectual game, playing with words like "infinity"/"absolute" to come up with whatever you want to "prove".

@ajasatyaI need to research into theosophy. 

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1 hour ago, ajasatya said:

If someone is considering suicide, that person is not really conscious of GOD. So it wouldn't make any sense to say "Your will is the will of GOD". In fact, it could do much more harm than good.

Suicide due to depression or emotional trauma is only considered in extremely low states of consciousness.

Yet it is ultimately God's doing that somebody isn't conscious of what it truly is. It still does make sense at least to me. Your will is always God's will whether you realize it or not and that includes low consciousness people. 

The decision of suicide or no suicide seems ultimately grounded in the relative. You could go either way and that's what ultimately God wanted. 

But this kind of realization seems to only come with higher states exactly because it would not be handled with care to someone in lower states. To the lower states it reinforces nihilism ideology with negative perceptions. 

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@Shadowraix paradox city.  You are really good at spotting the paradox of which reality is.

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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5 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

You could go either way and that's what ultimately God wanted.

This is the very breach through which devilry arises. Just because something is what "God" wants doesn't mean that it's not a toxic mental pattern. GOD and you are ONE. GOD is not a separated entity that says that everything is okay and that it would be fine if we were killing each other or committing suicide.


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@ajasatya exactly.  This is liberation from the paradox.

Love.

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We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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2 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

This is the very breach through which devilry arises. Just because something is what "God" wants doesn't mean that it's not a toxic mental pattern. GOD and you are ONE. GOD is not a separated entity that says that everything is okay and that it would be fine if we were killing each other or committing suicide.

Yeah I'm aware of this. My last statement was hinting at exactly why low consciousness people don't usually have such realizations. Such realizations are meant to be used with care and wisdom. 

Ever played the first Assassins Creed? Their Creed "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" was abused heavily to fuel Altair own desires then he comes full circle at the end to realize the wisdom that is needed to release the shackles of rules. 

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1 minute ago, Shadowraix said:

Yeah I'm aware of this. My last statement was hinting at exactly why low consciousness people don't usually have such realizations. Such realizations are meant to be used with care and wisdom. 

Ever played the first Assassins Creed? Their Creed "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" was abused heavily to fuel Altair own desires then he comes full circle at the end to realize the wisdom that is needed to release the shackles of rules. 

Yes, I noticed. I wasn't really counter-arguing. I was just stressing something in a more obtuse manner.

And yes. Awesome game!


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1 hour ago, Moreira said:

Suicide is the banalization of the sacred and this is a sin, immoral, or karmically bad. Not from the ego perspective but from the universe itself, the oportunity of life is such a beautifil gift and a loving act, and rejecting this by suicide is so low and wrong...

alsom killing animals for food, i a  lovely act of sacrifice, or eating a plant, is a magic moment that has been banalized. Be mindful every time you eat and what this means.

That's your opinion/feeling. There's billions of people who think that life is a curse.

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14 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Suicide is the banalization of the sacred and this is a sin, immoral, or karmically bad. Not from the ego perspective but from the universe itself, the oportunity of life is such a beautifil gift and a loving act, and rejecting this by suicide is so low and wrong...

alsom killing animals for food, i a  lovely act of sacrifice, or eating a plant, is a magic moment that has been banalized. Be mindful every time you eat and what this means.

Pure moralization. The universe doesnt care what you do. If it did why would it cause hurricanes and tsunamis where hundreds of thousands die. 

If anything... the universe gives you the opportunity to kill yourself¬†because it loves you ‚ÄĚIf it ever gets too rough you can hold on or let go, your choice‚ÄĚ

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@Mikael89 all form is relative and finite.  But the Absolute Truth is Absolute Love for all of God's creations.

I know this doesn't help you since you do not yet know the realm of the Absolute.  But you will if you so desire.

Edited by Inliytened1

We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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@Inliytened1 Very loving when someone gets tortured to death etc. Not.

"you do not yet know the realm of the Absolute.  But you will if you so desire."

Not true. Many people fail to get enlightened even if they have the desire.

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@Mikael89 because they didn't desire it bad enough.  I'm discussing those that are even conscious of enlightenment in concept.  Which you are.  Of course as we converse we do so in the relative realm.  So get to work :x


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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