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Leo Gura is creating a modern Religion - knowingly or unknowingly

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This came up as an afterthought of watching Leos latest video on the point of life.

This whole "understanding all of reality" theme of Leo is not something new or out of blue as many people take it.

What is religion but an attempt to express "understanding all of reality" in it's own historical time and place?

For an average Muslim, the Quran represents "understanding all of reality". For a Christian, the Bible represents "understanding all of reality", so on and so forth.

Leo is translating and expressing the same spiritual realization with modern metaphors, symbols and educated speculations. Aka a modern religion. Any prophet/spiritual teacher who ever attempted to do it, created a religion knowingly or unknowingly.

This marks the clear distinction between actual spiritual realization and religion. 

Whereas a genuine realization itself is the absolute, religion has to inherently come with an implicit set of morality, value hierarchcy, context, missionary themes, prophets and holy books or theories regarded as "understanding all of reality" just to talk about it.

Why am i saying all this? As a reminder of the limitation of religion. Gurdjiff used to say which Leo mentioned as well in his video "the staggering depth of your unawareness" that pursuing Awareness is the most serious business there is. And the biggest problem in this business is almost all people take it for granted to possess something already which they don't have at all. How can one want to pursue awareness if one thinks he already have it?

So basically the trap of religion is Jesus did it for me, Leo Gura understood and explained all of reality for me. Now I can pretend and create a false sense of spirituality in my life by adhering to these prophets and their messages, while actually my fate is being sealed to remain as a deluded pig once and for all who will never engage in an original investigation or pursuit most likely.

Edited by Preetom

''Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather''

- Bill Hicks

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Somehow it's serving him to do so if that's what he's doing.  He's following his goosebumps, his bliss.  Somehow he feels he needs to do what he's doing.  We all do this in our lives.  Then we see where that leads us and live and learn and make adjustments as a result of finding out where that path leads.  That's life.  I encourage Leo to keep following his goosebumps and his bliss.  That's what we all wanna be doing in life.  Have the balls to follow your goosebumps and your bliss too.  That's one of the things I really appreciate from Leo.  He takes life seriously enough to follow his own goosebumps and bliss.  He's an unconstrained Ego.  That's a good thing!  Explore and live and learn.  If you don't explore, how are you gonna grow?  Live it up Leo.  Keep exploring man!  Do yo thang!  The worst kind of life is an unexamined life -- as the Ancient Greeks so wisely realized.  Examine, explore, create systems, test systems in your life, preach systems, see where the chips fall, see the results.  At the end of the day, you're only gonna react against inputs that come into your system and you can't rely on other people or other cultures to provide these inputs to you.  You have to take the laboring oar to put inputs into your own system and see what the outputs are.  That's an examined life.  That's a proactive life.  So, I really appreciate that about Leo because he's doing that for his own life.  And he's sharing it with us, but at the end of the day -- he's doing that for his life while a lot of other people are not examining their lives in that kind of proactive way.  I'm not kissing his ass, this is honestly how I feel.  So, so be it.  I try to emulate that exact same attitude in my own life.  Life is short.  Experiment with different things by throwing a bunch of shit on the wall and see what sticks.  That's the experimental method in action.  That's what science is all about.  Test inputs and see what the outputs are.  Are they good?  What?  How can you know if you don't proactively test.  You don't know, that's the problem; because you don't proactively test.  You're not living a fully examined life, see.  This is what Leo thinks he's gotta do in his life's journey right now.  And I say -- hey man, go full throttle and see what the results are!  You don't know until you go down a certain road and find out where it takes you.  This is why any kind of traveling is so important too -- especially international cultural travel.

 

Edited by Joseph Maynor

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Damn so mindfucking.


Hi, im a beginner in self-improvement. Ignorant about everything.

Willing to learn ;) 

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the better question is ,

what makes a religion/dogma


holy-war - "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty". 

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@Preetom  Religion mistakes the map for the territory.

That's the difference.

Then they turn the map into their own territory.

Therefore THiS is not a religion.  

 

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We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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@Preetom maybe it's not for you.  If it does become religion it could still be preached hundred of years from now and by then we have evolved a little bit more to transcend the (false) need for religion and find true effortless spirituality.  The religion becomes a necessary evil, just as Christianity has.


My Imagination is a Monastery and I am its Monk- John Keats

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He mentioned in various videos that we need to be careful not to turn this into another religion.

So, I guess he's aware of this. But probably it will happen anyways. People will create an Actualized.org religion.

But not everybody is gonna be an Actualized.org fundamentalist. Some people will get it. Even if just 1% will really get it, I think, that would still be totally worth it.


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Strong men create good times. 
Good times create weak men.
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Have to remember that when you Awaken you discover you were Leo the whole time.

There really is no Leo or Leo's teachings.

There is only One.

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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It's not a religion but it's a collective ego.

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If it would become a religion this means that we have to stick to some rules and i think this is contrary to what actualized.org is trying to promote, which is to be open minded. It would be a contradiction. 


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Willing to learn ;) 

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praise leo our lord saviour who died on the frog for us, ohmen

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Religions are not often made by the lord prophets themselves but through their brainchilds and followers 

4 minutes ago, Rilles said:

praise leo our lord saviour who died on the frog for us, ohmen

And yet to publish his holy book 😂

 


''Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather''

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58 minutes ago, Preetom said:

This whole "understanding all of reality" theme

You are all of reality. Beyond personality. Beyond human. Everything, infinite reality. 

An attempt to contextualize that into a form a human brain and mind can “understand” may appear as a religion to some human minds.

Don’t take my word for it. Find out for yourself. Become all of reality and then try to contextualize it human form. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

You are all of reality. Beyond personality. Beyond human. Everything, infinite reality. 

An attempt to contextualize that into a form a human brain and mind can “understand” may appear as a religion to some human minds.

Don’t take my word for it. Find out for yourself. Become all of reality and then try to contextualize it human form. 

 

Damned you are if you talk about it.

Damned you are if you dont.

Right? :D


''Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather''

- Bill Hicks

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I think Leo is very much aware of this dynamic. He even talks about this danger in some video’s. His whole stick is direct experience and combatting ideology. Not to say it won’t happen that it becomes one, but there is only so much one can do. 

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The difference is that the Bible is seen as the Truth,

Leo tells you he can't give you the Truth, only you can.

I think he will be smart enough not to leave any possible trails for his channel to become a religion.


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If you want a rose, do not run from the thorns
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Posted (edited)

Yes, it is a religion.

  1. But what's wrong with religion? If you think religion is bad, wrong, or evil, then that has automatically become your religion. You see? Although it's good to be aware of it, but if you want true liberation, you won't give a damn about other people and their ideas.
  2. Not everyone has the time and ability to sit down and meditate for decades only to come to the same conclusions that everyone else has come to before them.
  3. Actual spiritual realisation is not superior to religion! Direct experience is just a belief! Notice that direct experience will become a memory after the experience is gone. A memory is merely a thought, and a thought taken seriously will become a belief. You see how this thing goes full-circle? You can't escape belief, even a direct experience of God becomes a belief in the ordinary state of consciousness. So, I prefer calling the direct experience of God a personal belief, whereas the belief that is learned from teachers I would call it an impersonal belief.

To conclude, everything is perfect as it is, whether Actualized.org is a religion or not.

WE ONLY LIVE ONCE.

If you care about finding God, then go find God. If you care about happiness, then go find happiness. If you care about success, then go find success, etc...

Total freedom, do whatever you want.

Anyway, from a more practical point of view, the only thing that we can agree is a real problem with religion is its politics. If we have a religion with politics of equality and fairness, etc... Then there wouldn't be a problem at all. But that won't happen by a long shot, so the struggle will keep going..

(this post is not directed at the OP per se).

Edited by Truth Addict

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@Shin bingo.


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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Since like 84% of the world is religious, maybe it's best for Leo to be religious too.  Namaste.  May the wind be at your back!  Do whatever floats your boat in life, it's your life.  Live a big life on your own terms.  I'm all for that.  Sure beats sitting on your ass with your mouth shut feeling trapped, depressed, and bored in life.  If you want it, go do it!  Ditto for religion -- if you want it, go do it!  If you want to create your own religion, go do it!  Have at it.  Have a relish.  Enjoy this life to the fullest extent that you can, it's your trip.  Sure beats having regrets.  So, I'm all for it.  I aim to do the same in my own life in my own way.  And I hope other people are just as open and encouraging with me as I try to be for them.

Source:

"According to Pew Research Center's 2012 global study of 230 countries and territories, 16% of the world's population is not affiliated with a religion, while 84% are affiliated."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion

Edited by Joseph Maynor

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