MrDmitriiV

The Dark Side of Leo Gura

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The BIG difference between meditation/psychedelics/self-inquiry and Kriya Yoga, is that the first 3 have been clearly defined and explained on how they work and how they help you to awaken. While with Kriya Yoga, people like Leo Gura just ask us to blindly believe that somehow it works.

Surely Leo, just tell us that "one more" blind belief won't hurt you or whatever.

There are hundreds of different practices, investing 1 year for each practice to see if it works is madness because these bodies don't live for hundreds of years to try them all and see which ones are the best. You can say that you can practice multiple practices at once, but how can you know that the benefits come directly from yoga practice and not from other practices???

I do not mean to say that chakras don’t exist.

However, there is no consensus on what they are, where they are located, how many there are , their colors, their meaning, or how to “balance them” (if such a thing is possible). But most importantly, Kriya Yoga practices just ask you to use your imagination and imagine that the chakras exist where charlatans pinpointed in their pictures, instead of perceiving reality as it is, without mind-filters (like imagination). 

And while there's no consensus on chakras, there is a long historical consensus on the ways of achieving awakening thru meditation and self-inquiry. For example Meditation (at least the concentration type) works thru silencing your mind to the point where there's no more mind, Psychedelics help you enter radical states of consciousness, Self-Inquiry works by making you realize that the label "I" is absurd. There's NO imagining, just looking at what's there without mind-filters (like beliefs).

The life of these bodies are short and can end anytime, so don't waste time blindly believing people you developed trust to (like Leo Gura). Because this is a guaranteed way to failure.

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"It is the emptiness within the cup that makes it useful."

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I dont think you have to try it for a whole year to see if it works, give it a couple months maybe?

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Chakras exists. You can prove it to yourself. And no they don't have actual colors or are physical things in your body, but there are energy centers which you can CLEARLY feel.

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@MrDmitriiV meditation, psychedelics and self inquiry have not been clearly defined and explained at all. Probably they have, but only in your mind...! 

They are too complex to extract the exact way that they affect human psyche. Your pety interpretation of them is just imagination. 

As for kriya and chakras you don't have to waste a year of your life practising to understand there legitimacy. 2  weeks should be enough to see changes in your consciousness. 

Instead of wasting time arguing about the validity of kriya(which by the look of your post has consumed time and energy off you)  why don't examine it on your own. Come in a week or two and tell us again... 

 

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@MrDmitriiV Ahahaha....

Your self-righteous phony skepticism amuses me greatly.

I've been there man, I've been there...

Drop the need to have shit proven to you. That is a need of a weak and juvenile mind.

By your stupid logic no science could ever be done. Because proof only comes AFTER the expeirements are run. Never before.

If you don't want to take the risk of running an experiment and having it fail, then you're stuck. No science for you. No progress for you. You are just another sheep.

No one is asking you to believe anything. You are being told to run a serious experiment.

Yoga is an extremely advanced spiritual practice. It is not for closedminded stage Orange fools.

I warned you from the very beginning: RADICAL OPENMINDEDNESS!


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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Leo doesn't ask us to blindly believe man. Where has Leo said, "blindly believe me!" ?

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@Leo Gura Is your monstrously sized 4 hour episode going to be uploaded today man? I'm sure everyone here is looking forward to it

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Why do you believe your internal organs exist, ever seen them? So why not chakras? 

If you totally hate the idea of chakras, then see yoga as just breathing exercises. You can do a kriya routine without believing in chakras: just use their positions to visualize the energy moving up and down the spine and that's it. 

You still have to trust that breathing exercises will yield results. But then again, I got far more results from a few months of kriya yoga than four years of meditation. 

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@MrDmitriiV I have to agree with you Dimitri, there is no explanation or examples of what Chakras are and you are expected to just accept that they exist when people talk about them. If you already presuppose that they exist as energy fields around your body, then you will start to feel them in your awareness because that's what your looking for. After a while you will really feel like they are there and real because you've duped yourself into believing in them.

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@FakeEnlightenment

Allow me to restate your logic back to you:

43 minutes ago, FakeEnlightenment said:

If you already presuppose that an external physical material reality exists, then you will start to feel that in your awareness because that's what your looking for. After a while you will really feel like it is there and real because you've duped yourself into believing in it.

And you will start to consider that chakras and other non-material phenomena are utterly impossible and illogical -- an affront to common sense.

And you might even get the bright idea to join a spirituality forum under the username: FakeEnlightenment, projecting your own delusion and confirmation bias onto others, your mind enslaved to a cancerous form of skepticism which doubts the very medicine which is necessary to cure you of that fallacious starting assumption.

Funny how the mind works, huh? ;)


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@see_on_see @SgtPepper @Leo Gura @Esoteric @Pernani

i know that I'm a dellusioned creature, but:

12 hours ago, MrDmitriiV said:

There are hundreds of different practices, investing 1 year for each practice to see if it works is madness because these bodies don't live for hundreds of years to try them all and see which ones are the best. You can say that you can practice multiple practices at once, but how can you know that the benefits come directly from yoga practice and not from other practices???

ALSO it's a basic psychological phenomena for you to start imagining something is real after believing it really hard. So people might start feeling those chakras because they believed and imagined them for a lot of time.

Kriya Yoga may work or not, but it is surely shitty in nature.

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"It is the emptiness within the cup that makes it useful."

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@MrDmitriiV You believe the world is materialistic. That is "real, objective" truth to you. Can't you see the irony in your last statement 

5 minutes ago, MrDmitriiV said:

@see_on_see @SgtPepper @Leo Gura @Esoteric @Pernani

i know that I'm a dellusioned creature, but:

ALSO it's a basic psychological phenomena for you to start imagining something is real after believing it really hard. So people might start feeling those chakras because they believed and imagined for a lot of time.

Kriya Yoga may work or not, but it is surely shitty in nature.

Idk if we can bring anything to the table. 

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@Ero I know I believe that.

Didn't you see the sentence: 

6 minutes ago, MrDmitriiV said:

i know that I'm a dellusioned creature, but:

 


"It is the emptiness within the cup that makes it useful."

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@Ero My goal is to get out of illusions, not to attain more of them.


"It is the emptiness within the cup that makes it useful."

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@Ero Surprise Surprise I'm not enlightened! If I were I wouldn't be here.

I am trying to drop those behaviors. But again read what I already told:

4 minutes ago, MrDmitriiV said:

My goal is to get out of illusions, not to attain more of them.

 


"It is the emptiness within the cup that makes it useful."

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@MrDmitriiV Everyone's path is different. Lots of people get awakened even without meditating much, practicing yoga, knowing about chakras, taking psychedelics, etc. Use other's teachings as suggestions, not requirements. I personally had the shift while self-inquiring guided by Leo in his Creating an Experience of No-self video and never had to do/try anything else after that. 

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@Malelekakis I did read a book recommended by Leo and done a few practices.

The practices asked me to use imagination to imagine chakras and imagine moving them. WHICH I DID. But I couldn't help but notice that the feeling I got was a result of imagination not chakras.

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"It is the emptiness within the cup that makes it useful."

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