Leo Gura

Discussion: The End Of Reputation & Rank?

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Reputation is needed to differentiate users who help from trolls. Also newbies can rely more in experienced users.

Thumbs are needed for feedback. And seeing people from the other side of the world that resonate with your ideas and principles is very good in a dumb society where the awaken are few.

It also indicates if you'be been useful to somebody, or to say thanks without having to make a post to type it.

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As a insecure newbie and a lurker, I don't like posting because I think there is always someone more advanced to answer a question.

Maybe removing this stuff would encourage more people to express themselves.

Also most importantly people would have to rely on their critical thinking, not just be lazy and look for most upvoted posts. 

I think it should be possible to upvote posts though, but don't show how much reputation users have. 


“Man’s faith in God is measured by his confidence in himself... Your faith in God is measured by your confidence in yourself, because your true self is God.”  - Neville Goddard

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Reputation: Vote up as well as down, but give a reason, 6 words(or whatever short like eBay) or less.

Filtration & Specialization: Have some form of caste or class system with tags to better find what you might be interested in.

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Votes on individual posts:

  • Provide feedback of quality to me
  • Allow me to give feedback without posting an actual reply message
  • He who shouts hardest is often deemed right in society, voting is more Democratic.

Total post count - Does not serve any purpose.
Total reputation count - encourages reputation trading and clique forming. 

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6 minutes ago, jse said:

Interesting that this thread on reputation points is longer than a typical non-duality discussion.
Shows were we're at.

Could be because there isn't much to say about nonduality other than debates and stuff that has been said a million times.

So maybe we're good xD 

Also, this thread is meant for all users of the forum to give their opinion on the matter, which is why it's already so long.

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Just a thought...So you say we should not be able to vote? Dicatorship.org B| 

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How about a five-star rating system instead of just likes? Or it could be something more creative than stars, you guys can deffinitely come up with something :D Maybe then the troll posts would get both high and low ratings and would be just avarage. And the valuable ones could really shine. After a sufficient number of recieved ratings (let's say 100) the average amount of stars? would appear at the user's name as a sign of credibility. But I think the total number of recieved ratings should not be visible, maybe not even for the actual user.

This system could be much more flexible than just neverending adding up of upvotes. To keep it even more up-to-date, the total rating could count only votes for the latest year for example, so it would't get stuck after recieveing more and more ratings. If working well it would motivate people enough to post valuable posts but also not get them too hyped-up. And it would also allow them to get a second chance (like for trolls who actually start to self-actualized...rare cases though :D).

I would deffinitely get rid of the chimp and ape titles.

The total number of user's posts should remain accessible, but maybe only on the profile pages.

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@art Pretty sure that's already taken.

I bought my christmas tree from some russian commies this year.  Nice folks.

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It's all the same in my eyes, it's all good.

One can learn from either side. Both pros and cons. We're all a small family anyway regardless of conflicts they always exist in this constant maya mind on earth on forum off forum.

It's more like what story you choose to entertain whether a thumbs up or down or simply let it be.

Imo 2 years ago when i visited forum, I didn't sign up right away i felt inferior. I magnified this forum as in everyone's self actualizing got their shit together etc. Overtime i eventually signed up months later I still felt inferior barely any posts barely any points. (Obvious low self esteem issues, Although i don't think most people have that extent of overly exaggerated self esteem issues.) I did give it attention, My knowledge back then wasn't that great either didn't really read any of the books on book lists nor the life purpose course. Overtime i was growing still am. I noticed that these points did help in spotting an illusion that i had to work on it was subtle, but hey i didn't mind it anymore. I partake in it sometimes when i read any thread even if a member doesn't really contribute much i up them anyway because they'd just participated/spent some time on it. I have a habit of lurking more than posting. Either way I see members that want it off they have different reasons, Some seem uncomfortable with it, Some see it as pointless want all to be equal etc. I think everyone has to perceive what they feel about something a simple teaching. Even though we're trying to be significant on choosing what's better? I think they both have valid points. Even if the community up votes a thread to 10 20 or even 50ish doesn't mean it's all right. After all you have a primal mind so learn to be both skeptic and trusty with it. This machine tool is quite tricky to handle and needs work as the perceiver some simple choice of removing points isn't going to dawn everyone to suddenly improve. They still have to be careful where they spend their time on and what they agree on. It's all good either way theirs growth in both. These points helped me, it may harm others or help them if their not careful. It's all about perspective. I say bring them on and off every year how about that alternating? Haha would probably confuse the next year new people what on earth is this new point system, Can you imagine participating in a forum for like 4-6months and they turn this new feature out of the blue, They'd react with confusion at first and probably annoyance since their not used to it see the room on growth for that over not really overly reacting to it? The art of accepting what is being is quite tricky. Anyway that doesn't mean we shouldn't do. Alright sorry for the textwall I know you asked for yeay or nay. So here you go. Both.

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@Leo Gura

 I am pro keeping things the same.

I understand your concern about social proof and its ability to manipulate people's perception. But it has a purpose.

 We are not all equal, some people are more of an expert than others. And I like knowing who is and who isn't perceived that way because it gives me a context to evaluate what they're saying.


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10 minutes ago, aurum said:

@Leo Gura

 I am pro keeping things the same.

I understand your concern about social proof and its ability to manipulate people's perception. But it has a purpose.

 We are not all equal, some people are more of an expert than others. And I like knowing who is and who isn't perceived that way because it gives me a context to evaluate what they're saying.

But wouldn't simply "knowing" that user, having read their posts for some time, be enough to form your own judgment? After all, in real life we don't go around with a score number on our heads. If we did, everyone would constantly be trying to make their score go up, and you would immediately judge anyone you'd see based on what others previously thought of them. Which doesn't sound good and it's exactly the problem here. 

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@see_on_see

I can always form a judgment. But the rep count still helps.

Look, I seek out experts in everything I do. If I'm looking to earn more money, I'm looking for the guy with a mansion and a Rolls-Royce. If it's enlightenment, I want the guy who has meditated 20,000 hours and has a bunch of students that have made it as well.

It doesn't mean everything they say is true. I might discard even the majority of it.

But I'm not so naive to think I know everything or that we have the same level of understanding.

In fact, one of the biggest obstacles to learning is that you usually have tons of preconceived opinions on what is true, fed to you by people who didn't know what they were talking about. And the mentor / expert has to get rid of all of those.

So yes, if I came to this forum as a new guy I'd 1000% be looking for the top-rated posters. It helps massively.


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@aurum My point is that you can do all that by simply reading the posts and forming your idea about that user if their content resonates with you.

When I first discovered Leo, I didn't start following his videos because he had thousands of views. I started following him because after 10 minutes I was listening to the first video, I was amazed at how real it was and how much it resonated. Before that, I had followed many other self-help YouTubers, many with millions of views. But when I discovered Leo, I realized how much they all sucked in comparison, even though they had orders of magnitude more views and subscribers. And even though I was quite a newbie, I could still tell the difference.

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13 hours ago, see_on_see said:

I think it's a great idea. I would remove rank, total rep and individual post rep, leaving only post counts.

I don't think post rep has ever been effective in separating the wheat from the chaff. Often I see posts with tons of upvotes, then I read the actual post and I'm like "wut?". The problem is that the majority of users are inevitably self-actualization/nonduality newbies, and a lot of the time they will upvote whatever pushes their emotional buttons or validates their ignorance. And there's also the effect where the more a post has been upvoted the more it gets upvoted. So more often than not, the rep count is actually a false indicator. 

Moreover, how does it separate the wheat from the chaff anyway? You still have to read the whole thread. This is not a reddit-style board where the most upvoted posts go up the thread and the others fade out in the bottom. Imagine a 10 page thread, you still pretty much have to go through all the 10 pages, even with the rep counts. And again, even if in theory with the rep counts you could tell at a glance what's good and what's not, in practice it has the problems stated above. I wouldn't sell my own judgment to others. Besides, even without the rep, it more or less takes a second to look at a post and know intuitively if it's written by a newbie, a keyboard-jockey, a debater and so on. This stuff is usually quite predictable and easy to spot.

For me the best "rep indicator", which I actually always used subconsciously, has always been my own judgment (rather than the rep count, which is a judgment created by other users). By reading a user's posts over time, you get an idea of this user's level of development. Then when you see their username and avatar next to the post, you already have an idea of what the quality of the post will be. That's also the way I always used subconsciously to separate the wheat from the chaff at a glance. You quickly skim through a thread and see who posted what, and based on the "rep" YOU have assigned to that user in your mind by reading their posts over time, you know what's probably good and what's probably not. 

You have worded it perfectly. 

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@Leo Gura  You may or may not remember me asking for this/ questioning this sometime ago...this is still my only experience with a forum, and the status tittle thing has always kind of rubbed me the wrong way....but mostly for myself...having a tittle that I have no say in, that I may not yet be fully deserving of yet...

From what you have said, I clearly see the pros and cons. The thumbs up can provide a feeling or acceptance (weather we actually need that)... I adore the idea of equality with everyone, at the same time, if you are saying that this equality would equate to having to wade through more irrelevant stuff...then, I would be less involved with the forum as a result (brain injury makes scrolling difficult)...and I may miss out on a lot of important and helpful information as a result :( 
 
Is there a way to find a middle ground? This idea seems a little in-integral to me, but... could everyone appear equal, yet behind the scenes, the posts are still filtered according to the existing system? How could we tone down the ego shit while still benefiting from the positive side of the current system?
 
Leo, I hope 2018 is the best year you've experienced so far! Sending kind thoughts that you find the best possible solution to this dilemma for all involved :) 

 

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Don't get rid of them, hide them. Make them only known to that particular user.

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