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Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

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54 minutes ago, oldhandle said:

Princess Arabia and carterfelder I am really unmoved by what you said, for the record. You both lashed out at me like me pointing out all the fucked up shit he said means "yes he deserved to die". Saying I congratulated and cheered on the killer is just not a thing that I did nor what I think about the situation.

I am not "happy" he died. But say the type of shit he said you might just get killed. Would I go kill anyone for saying this shit? No. But there's millions of guns and millions of unstable people in the country - if you say THAT KIND OF INSANE RHETORIC all the time, someone might just take you out.

Strange how me just asserting and pointing out the insane shit he said and saying "yea some people might kill you if you say that shit" makes you lash out personally at me. We live in the natural world at the end of the day, we are not all wearing body armor all day that makes our flesh impenetrable to bullets - if you say insanely antagonistic shit, all the time, ALL THE FUCKING TIME, someone might just take you out. Is what it is.

I wasn't directing judgment of people expressing no remorse or celebrating Charlie's death toward you. Sorry if it came out that way.

I wouldn't consider any of his consistent viewpoints "insane rhetoric." Most of his beliefs and viewpoints are shared by many, not that I'm saying what most or many believe makes something correct or morally good. Where I agree with you is that Charlie did take a risk by saying what many conservatives or free thinkers are afraid to say. He knew he was taking a risk. That's one big reason I admire Charlie, or anyone who isn't afraid to say whatever the heck they want to say.

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Obviously a Q'anon mad about Charlie protecting the Epstein files. Leftists are afraid of guns.

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24 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

That's one big reason I admire Charlie, or anyone who isn't afraid to say whatever the heck they want to say.

That's what people say about Trump as well.

The problem with far right/left rhetoric is that they're mired in falsehoods. They feed on divisions and appeal to the monkey brain. It's difficult for me to respect anyone that does this, because it's just inane populist BS that undermines democracy and can lead to a collapse in our freedom and systems. And for what? To feel good about your little ego, or perhaps grift the masses? It's nonsense and it's drivel.

 

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May Charlie rest in peace. Regardless of whether you agree with his political agenda or not, no one should be killed while holding a microphone in his hands. It leads to the impression that he was killed for speaking his mind. This is totally unacceptable. As long as someone is not advocating for hate or violence, that somebody should never be censored, let alone being killed. Speaking your mind in a civil and non hateful manner should be protected and championed by everyone. I didn't even heard of the guy before yesterday but as far as I know, he was just a conservative voice speaking his mind.

As a liberal I value a lot the ability to speak my mind in a free civil manner, I have respect for anyone who speaks his mind in a civil non hateful manner. If I don't agree with someone's worldview I simply don't engage with that persons content. There is no need to hate or demonize people who hold different opinions than you. Live and let live! May he rest in peace. So sad. 


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3 hours ago, Elliott said:

 

Damn, Jesus really cares what you put your dick into 😆

Is humping my pillow a sin? Anything about pillows in the bible?

Ridiculous 

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1 hour ago, oldhandle said:

Princess Arabia and carterfelder I am really unmoved by what you said, for the record. You both lashed out at me like me pointing out all the fucked up shit he said means "yes he deserved to die". Saying I congratulated and cheered on the killer is just not a thing that I did nor what I think about the situation.

I am not "happy" he died. But say the type of shit he said you might just get killed. Would I go kill anyone for saying this shit? No. But there's millions of guns and millions of unstable people in the country - if you say THAT KIND OF INSANE RHETORIC all the time, someone might just take you out.

Strange how me just asserting and pointing out the insane shit he said and saying "yea some people might kill you if you say that shit" makes you lash out personally at me. We live in the natural world at the end of the day, we are not all wearing body armor all day that makes our flesh impenetrable to bullets - if you say insanely antagonistic shit, all the time, ALL THE FUCKING TIME, someone might just take you out. Is what it is.

Itemizing his belief systems doesn't help in stopping this war on humanity. It shows justification. Saying one can get killed is one matter, taking the time out to personally itemize his belief systems is another. The shooter isn't any better than the victim's belief systems. Say I hated him for what he stood for and i pulled the trigger, I wouldn't dare say it's because of what he believed in, i'd say because I'm just as bad as he is and I'm a killer who also needs to be put away for my belief systems. That was in cold blood and was meditated. If I did that I wouldn't justify it with excuses to make myself seem like a role model of a citizen and say he deserved it. What makes him deserve it more than I do. Biases and justifications and selfishness, thinking i have the right to take another's life because I don't agree with them without putting him on trial and finding him guilty and administering the death penalty if thats the law. The killer can also get killed for this. Whose right and whose wrong. Neither, so sharing belief systems is null and void.


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8 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

Damn, Jesus really cares what you put your dick into 😆

Is humping my pillow a sin? Anything about pillows in the bible?

Ridiculous 

What's the difference with him saying this and someone going on a roof top and pulling the trigger to blow his brains out. One actually committed a crime. Whose wrong and whose right, Neither, Showing all the atrocities this man may have stood for is like saying it's OK to kill someone who advocates for killing. Equals itself out. This isn't any worse than the person who pulled the trigger. Actually it's worse, it's trying to show justification for killing. The shooter shot and killed, you're showing a video from a year ago. What's the point.


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9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Showing all the atrocities this man may have stood for is like saying it's OK to kill someone who advocates for killing.

The point of showing how despicable Kirk was is to put a check on empathy running away with itself at the expense of the truth. If Hitler was shot in the neck and people started saying things like "he was a human and had good qualities" and then if others start listing off how toxic he actually was, it's because they want to bring the truth of the matter back into the perspective. Not necessarily because they're condoning the murder.

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8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What's the difference with him saying this and someone going on a roof top and pulling the trigger to blow his brains out. One actually committed a crime. Whose wrong and whose right, Neither, Showing all the atrocities this man may have stood for is like saying it's OK to kill someone who advocates for killing. Equals itself out. This isn't any worse than the person who pulled the trigger. Actually it's worse, it's trying to show justification for killing. The shooter shot and killed, you're showing a video from a year ago. What's the point.

Oh, you struggle with reading?

 

4 hours ago, carterfelder said:

What "vile" things do you speak of? Valuing objective reality is not "vile." No, I'm not talking about his Christian beliefs or pro-life stance, which were innocent enough anyways.

 

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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Except we have no idea what in that book is true. That book was half fiction and exaggeration. You are trusting a book written by a PUA to maximize sales.

Isn't The Game on your booklist though?

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2 hours ago, EternalForest said:

Charlie Kirk didn't glorify violence at all... What are you talking about?

Not directly, but the fascistic MAGA base celebrates political violence and delights in it. This is consistent with far right psychology. They did it with the Paul Pelosi violent attack and even blamed Paul for it. They love to talk about civil war. They hold the Jan 6 insurrectionists as pariots and Trump pardoned them. The Proud Boys and various patriot militia groups. This is part of a larger psychological pattern of dimissing empathy as important, and eagerness to battle leftists because they feel they are more masculine and will win the war. Kirk was a key leader in this large political movement, racheting up the polarization of American politics. The entire problem with this kind of politics is that it ends up devolving into violence and the leaders themselves become victims, including Trump. Those who study political history understand that this is how authoritarian movements unfold.

None of this is to justify Kirk's murder. There are just larger patterns at play here which a student of history sees.


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3 minutes ago, museumoftrees said:

Isn't the game on your booklist though?

Yes. Not as a factual account of Owen's life, but as an intro in what pickup is. It's a classic book to read when getting into pickup.

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Trump's face looking very droopy today at the 9/11 ceremony. Could be why they deep-faked his Kirk address:

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Just now, Leo Gura said:

Yes. Not as a factual account of Owen's life, but as an into what pickup is.

Understood. I read it a long time ago and it was a good introduction to the PUA world but i'm happy I forgot about it's content. I actually like to listen to Owen's podcasts though. He motivates me on a material basis. I really feel like he sort of mastered the orange stage mentality, but never would I ever get my political views for him. Matter fact i'd recommend Owen Cook to any JP fanboy who need to ween off from his bs. Owen is a good stepping stone. But your 3 part getting laid series is peak though, and you don't send us in a right wing rabbit hole.

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The right on Twitter is going nuts. Openly calling for civil war. 

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4 minutes ago, Raze said:

The right on Twitter is going nuts. Openly calling for civil war. 

Who would profit from a civil war kind of scenario in the US?

Or an authoritarian Trump regime?

 

For example Russia.

And a few others.

Certainly not Europe. Especially vulnerable countries like the Baltics and Poland. Also not Europe in general Japan, Taiwan etc.  who kind of depend on a stable US.

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It never ends. Just like an earthquake, Aftershocks are imminent. 


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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