Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Porphyry Fedotov]

Karma is a bitch

[Kid A]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Shameful.

Owen has really lost the plot. That's what pickup ideology does to the mind.

He's Tyler Durden from The Game. No way that guy ever had the plot...

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, AION said:

You make the assumption death is something bad though. 

Suffering evokes empathy. This does not need to involve a moral judgment.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Kid A said:

He's Tyler Durden from The Game. No way that guy ever had the plot...

Back when I was learning from him he had no political stances. He got radicalized with Covid and the collapse of RSD.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Who is the shooter. Hmm tough one

Which group of people cause the most problems in the world today?

I guess we will never know

It makes no sense for Mossad to assassinate him. Mossad agents are not going to risk their own asses to snipe a MAGA conservative on American soil. That is a stupid plot that is likely to get the agent killed for no reward.

Edited yesterday at 08:08 AM by Leo Gura

[Joel3102]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It makes no sense for Mossad to assassinate him. Mossad agents are not going to risk their own asses to snipe a MAGA conservative on American soil. That is a stupid plot that is likely to get the agent killed for no reward.

Good chance they won’t be caught. It was very slick, like Hitman Silent Assassin mode. Makes me think could be a groyper more so than a leftist 

Edited yesterday at 08:21 AM by Joel3102

[PurpleTree]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It makes no sense for Mossad to assassinate him. Mossad agents are not going to risk their own asses to snipe a MAGA conservative on American soil. That is a stupid plot that is likely to get the agent killed for no reward.

I mean if we want to go conspiracy we could say chaos and authoritarianism in the US does help them a bit. Because otherwise the path of the US is rather turning away from them.

[Kid A]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Back when I was learning from him he had no political stances. He got radicalized with Covid and the collapse of RSD.

My impression of him from that book is that he's a guy you wouldn't want within a mile of you, so it shouldn't be surprising that his political stances are not the healthiest when he first becomes political.

[Twentyfirst]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It makes no sense for Mossad to assassinate him. Mossad agents are not going to risk their own asses to snipe a MAGA conservative on American soil. That is a stupid plot that is likely to get the agent killed for no reward.

Because everything that the Israelis do has sense and reason. You are probably right though. The shooter was definitely skilled and potentially had people help him escape

Whether it was Israelis worried that he would turn on their Zionism or if it was a pro Palestinian pissed off about Zionism the chances are it was him getting meddled into something he shouldn't have. Why would an American with a family care about some land that's an ocean away. Americans should not get involved in Zionism at all because whatever side they pick they will just piss off the other side

Or it was a white American which would be funny because he's always blaming Blacks for being violent monsters 

[Twentyfirst]

36 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean if we want to go conspiracy we could say chaos and authoritarianism in the US does help them a bit. Because otherwise the path of the US is rather turning away from them.

There was a time when Jews disguised as Palestinians and even a woman in a hijab so they could shoot up a hospital. I mean a lot of "terror" that Palestinians commit were done by the Jews. Nobody can trust the Israelis enough to think that doesn't happen. With all the lies and propaganda and power they have. Of course it happens

We should see the official reports on the shooter in this case though

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Kid A said:

My impression of him from that book is that he's a guy you wouldn't want within a mile of you, so it shouldn't be surprising that his political stances are not the healthiest when he first becomes political.

Except we have no idea what in that book is true. That book was half fiction and exaggeration. You are trusting a book written by a PUA to maximize sales.

[Twentyfirst]

37 minutes ago, Kid A said:

My impression of him from that book is that he's a guy you wouldn't want within a mile of you, so it shouldn't be surprising that his political stances are not the healthiest when he first becomes political.

You just listen to him for social skills, ignore the politics, and don't buy anything more than $300 from him. Easy

Same with any entrepreneur influencer. See what Tai Lopez had to say 

https://youtu.be/R5yQPlHi0Nc

[zazen]

22 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean if we want to go conspiracy we could say chaos and authoritarianism in the US does help them a bit. Because otherwise the path of the US is rather turning away from them.

The US is the last supportive pillar of Israel after the world has turned on them. And specifically the Christian Zionist demographic - Charlie Kirk was the biggest face of the right wing demographic and young - meaning he had a long road ahead of him in politics. He just started questioning Mossad, Epstein and the ability to question Israel.

The left are already accounted for in their criticism of Israel. But to have the other side start to become increasingly so is something they can’t just allow to happen so easily. He even questioned the narrative of October 7th on PBD - saying it’s the most survived militarised place and that it’s fishy it took them that long to respond ie must have been ordered to stand down.

Mossad are also more than capable.

 

[Leo Gura]

Good analysis of the sniper.

There is a few seconds of video footage of the sniper on the rooftop dressed in all-black.

Note: the trans photo of the shooter seems to be a fake, so be careful.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, zazen said:

Mossad are also more than capable.

Do you know how risky it would be for a Mossad agent to do this operation? How risky it would be of Israel. This would be an insane gamble for little benefit. If the guy was caught Israel would have a total PR disaster on their hands. The entire MAGA right would turn against them. It just makes no sense. MAGA is good for them. Killing a top MAGA actor is stupid. Charlie helps MAGA win elections. You don't kill a guy like that. He is an ally.

[zazen]

59 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean if we want to go conspiracy we could say chaos and authoritarianism in the US does help them a bit. Because otherwise the path of the US is rather turning away from them.

The US is the last supportive pillar of Israel after the world has turned on them. And specifically the Christian Zionist demographic - Charlie Kirk was the biggest face of the right wing demographic and young - meaning he had a long road ahead of him in politics. He just started questioning Mossad, Epstein and the ability to question Israel.

The left are already accounted for in their criticism of Israel. But to have the other side start to become increasingly so is something they can’t just allow to happen so easily. He even questioned the narrative of October 7th on PBD - saying it’s the most surveilled militarised place and that it’s fishy it took them that long to respond ie must have been ordered to stand down.

Mossad are also more than capable.

Israel bombs and de-capitates people in multiple countries - including a US ally with the largest US base in the Middle East just days ago (Qatar). But we’re supposed to believe they will be restrained when it comes to US soil - for sure the political cost is much higher doing anything on US soil - but at the same time they have become increasingly brazen and desperate. They also have the operatives and networks to cover such tracks on US soil.

The timing is also fishy - why would an extreme leftist cell do it now when political tensions aren’t as high as for example before an election. The timing of Israel’s recent actions and the Charlie’s narrative shifting line up more with incentives to carry this out. There’s a lot of heat atm - from Epstein to Gaza etc this could put a chilling effect on others speaking up including neutralizing one of the largest voices of the right that they simply can’t afford to lose.

Then again, I just can’t imagine Mossad to gamble and risk such a thing.

Edited yesterday at 09:28 AM by zazen

[Kid A]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Except we have no idea what in that book is true. That book was half fiction and exaggeration. You are trusting a book written by a PUA to maximize sales.

Yeah, that's a good point. 

To be fair, everyone comes off pretty badly in that book, but it takes some doing to come across as sociopathic as he does there if he's actually a decent guy...

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Kid A said:

Yeah, that's a good point. 

To be fair, everyone comes off pretty badly in that book, but it takes some doing to come across as sociopathic as he does there if he's actually a decent guy...

It's been so long I don't even remember him in the book.

[kylan11]

Among others, a fundamental moral proposition of post-Enlightenment democracy is that we can negotiate conflict with words, dialogue, debate, human conversation.

The celebration I see online, and even here of all places, convinced me this is no longer as widely shared as I thought. One side is literally out there celebrating a bullet to the neck to a guy who made mouth noises you didn't like in front of his wife and orphaned children who won't even remember his voice. The other side is, as expected, engaging in the same incendiary rhetoric that has led to this hellish environment, now with a thrist for revenge. What could possibly go wrong.

If we don't agree that violence outside of self-defense is a red line, ask yourself what is stopping that guy that sits on the other side of the political spectrum from shooting you in the face. He loathes you as much as you loathe Charlie Kirk.

The very scaffolding of civil society is being stress tested to a degree I haven't seen since Jan 6.

The least you can say about Charlie is that he believed in and partook in this recursive peaceful process of democratic debate. We can argue whether he operated in bad faith sometimes, we all fucking do. We try and preserve our destructive biases.

He may have lacked empathy. If that's your excuse to see this and feel nothing, your 'spirituality' is nothing but egotistical self-serving delusion. 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:37 AM by kylan11

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do you know how risky it would be for a Mossad agent to do this operation? How risky it would be of Israel. This would be an insane gamble for little benefit. If the guy was caught Israel would have a total PR disaster on their hands. The entire MAGA right would turn against them. It just makes no sense. MAGA is good for them. Killing a top MAGA actor is stupid. Charlie helps MAGA win elections. You don't kill a guy like that. He is an ally.

Yeah but now you have the Left and Right in America talking about civil war. Not that they are actually doing it but you just hear those words now. Maybe someone wants more division in America. I can't help but keep remember this Ukrainian girl who got stabbed on the bus by a black guy and people are really angry about this and both of them happening at the same time. I don't think she got public attention but the big players know about her and are using her death as a political move. Musk and Tate both said a couple days ago that they are donating $1m each to paint some art about her. Are you saying it's not another country or just not Mossad. Maybe Russians?