Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Husseinisdoingfine]

26 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

What is one good thing or more that Charlie did, putting aside his personal life?

Good is relative. Every political actor, left or right, thinks they're doing good. Libertarians think they're doing good, so do conservatives, and socialists think they're doing good for the country and world. This is precisely why civility and open dialogue is so important, which is what Kirk promoted with his tours. 

[Hojo]

Anyone talking about trumps pre recorded ai video.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Anyone talking about trumps pre recorded ai video.

No.

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree Well its pre recorded and altered so it was pre prepared. And probably AI.

Since it was put out to be shown as him talking about it right then and there and its obviously not im going to assume the entire thing is ai.

This means they know it was going to happen.

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[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree Well its pre recorded and altered so it was pre prepared. And probably AI.

Since it was put out to be shown as him talking about it right then and there and its obviously not im going to assume the entire thing is ai.

This means they know it was going to happen.

You came up with that theory?

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree

just look at 18 seconds. His body morphs while he's talking. Thats more than a little splice. If its not ai that requires seperate voice over channel so his voice and video would be seperated. Or its ai.

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[Twentyfirst]

Americans need to really consider what they are using free speech for. You want to "speak the truth" to "save your nation". What is there to save? Why do you want to save it? You think truth is on the side of America? Just let it die, sheesh 

Know when to stop

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree

just look at 18 seconds. His body morphs while he's talking.

[Joshe]

@Hojo It does appear to be AI generated but I assume they can create these videos within a matter of 1-3 hours, so they probably just spun it up when they found out about. Most likely trying to conceal Trump's health, which was on display at the 9/11 ceremony today. 

[PurpleTree]

 

[Hojo]

@Joshe i don't think they had 3 hours. Trump for some reason broke the news that he had died.

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[Hojo]

@Joshe The timelines was he was shot. Then trump tweeted that he was dead. Then they filmed this because in the video it says he's dead in it. So they would have had to film and splice the video and voice over the video in that time. They need a voice over because the video splices mid sentence. This means the audio and video are seperate.

There is not enough time. Unless it was pre recorded.

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[EternalForest]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Not directly, but the fascistic MAGA base celebrates political violence and delights in it. This is consistent with far right psychology. They did it with the Paul Pelosi violent attack and even blamed Paul for it. They love to talk about civil war. They hold the Jan 6 insurrectionists as pariots and Trump pardoned them. The Proud Boys and various patriot militia groups. This is part of a larger psychological pattern of dimissing empathy as important, and eagerness to battle leftists because they feel they are more masculine and will win the war. Kirk was a key leader in this large political movement, racheting up the polarization of American politics. The entire problem with this kind of politics is that it ends up devolving into violence and the leaders themselves become victims, including Trump. Those who study political history understand that this is how authoritarian movements unfold.

None of this is to justify Kirk's murder. There are just larger patterns at play here which a student of history sees.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I feel bad, for similar reasons as you, because I fear this will either further radicalize people, or hopefully bring them together and make them realize this extremist politics has gone too far. Hoping for the best.

Also, the Jan 6 thing was definitely the worst thing Trump ever did (along with the related pardons) 

[Joshe]

@Hojo Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with the video. There's no telling wtf is going on with this whole mess. I'm a bit burnt out atm. 

[vinc3nc]

[Joshe]

Jesus, they're even milking his death for as much money as they can get: 

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Good is relative. Every political actor, left or right, thinks they're doing good. Libertarians think they're doing good, so do conservatives, and socialists think they're doing good for the country and world. This is precisely why civility and open dialogue is so important, which is what Kirk promoted with his tours. 

What about what's ACTUALLY good. Not just deluded actors doing bad but believing they are doing good 

[Twentyfirst]

4 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Jesus, they're even milking his death for as much money as they can get: 

I posted Tai Lopez's video on Charlie Kirk and he also mentioned he was opening a gofundme

Some random online actually started a meme coin too

[Leo Gura]

The projection, blaming, demonization, us-vs-them, and over-generalizing is gonna be off the rails on the right. Watch for it. These are all unconscious egoic mechanisms to avoid taking any responsibility for anything.

[Heaven]

How many cruelty I see here..

A man was assassinated a left a family behind. And some here are actually happy.

Leo always warned that the right wing will ruin democracy but apparently the other parties are. 

Leo it feels to me like you are disconnected from the actual reality.