Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Emerald]

It's very shocking that Charlie Kirk was killed. And political violence of all kinds should always be condemned.

Unfortunately, the right wingers in power are already opportunistically trying to use Charlie's death as a an excuse to squash any opposition and to silence free speech of anyone remotely left of center. Some of them are even saying "This is our Reichstag Fire moment"... in reference to how the Nazis used the Reichstag Fire to name a political enemy and start arresting random Communists, which enabled the authoritarian regime to consolidate more authoritarian power.

They're itching to be able to blame this murder on the Democrats, the Left, trans people, and all the other usual scapegoats. And it's awful that some people see someone murdered in cold blood and think, "Awesome! Just what I was waiting for! I'm going to use his death to silence my political opponents." It's very cold, calculated, and unfeeling.

But it very much seems like this was a professional operation because of the long distance the shooter made the shot from, the two decoy men that delayed the investigation, and evidence of a private jet flying out of a nearby airport 30 minutes later. 

It makes me wonder if this political assassination was planned by someone (or a group of people) who hired a trained assassin. And given how his death is already being used as a cudgel, it's not beyond my imagination that the assassination could be for the purpose of making him a right wing martyr so that those in power can grab more of it.

Of course, that's a huge speculation. It could also be some other powerful interest that targeted him for other reasons.

But either way, it does seem to be a professional hit job, given the details. It doesn't seem like some random left or right wing radical that just decided to shoot a political figure they disagreed with. And it doesn't seem like a random crazy person. Just my two cents on the matter though. Take it with a grain of salt.

[Leo Gura]

"It does not feel right for London or New York City to have Muslim mayors."

-- Charlie Kirk

So please do not compare this to JFK, MLK, RFK.

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"It does not feel right for London or New York City to have Muslim mayors."

-- Charlie Kirk

So please do not compare this to JFK, MLK, RFK.

Imagine how many more wars there would've been if the assassination of every major political figure had caused one.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hardkill

[Apparition of Jack]

My question is, why Charlie? As far as right-wing pundits go hes one of the more “tame” and civil-minded (at least when compared to someone like say, Alex Jones or Nick Fuentes.) 

Who could’ve possibly had beef with him to point of staging a targetted assassination at a crowded event? This wasn’t some “Internet personality gets harassed at home” thing, nor was it even “Internet personality shot during heated incident”, this was a planned, professional assassination to cause as much chaos and visibility as possible.

Something doesn’t add up. If it was a disgruntled fan, what could Charlie have said to piss them off so much, to the point of killing him from 200 yards away in front of thousands of people? If it was someone else, then what did he do to make himself such a big target?

Very strange indeed.

Edited 6 hours ago by Apparition of Jack

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Something doesn’t add up. If it was a disgruntled fan, what could Charlie have said to piss them off so much, to the point of killing him in front of thousands of people?

It adds up.

Charlie has said so many racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and regressive things, with such aggressive ignorance and arrogance, that out of tens of millions of viewers, one of them is bound to have a mental illness and hold a grudge.

What most normies do not understand is that if you have 1+ million YouTube subcribers and you speak on controversial topics, you are guaranteed to get death threats. We all get them. It's only a matter of time until one of them is acted upon. The more hateful things one says, the bigger the odds become. Every hateful or bigoted statement pissed off one extra psycho person who might decide to act out.

Also, Charlie was directly involved in getting Trump elected. He wasn't just a pundit, he was the chief MAGA vote recruiter. His entire agenda is putting MAGA in power. Of course some unhinged viewer will want revenge for that.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Jodistrict]

Something still isn’t right.  Not everyone can carry out an assassination with professional level competence and manage to escape.   The victim was even wearing a bullet proof vest and the bullet goes right for the neck.   And how convenient that all the competent people have been fired from the FBI.

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

It adds up.

Charlie has said so many racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and regressive things, with such aggressive ignorance and arrogance, that out of tens of millions of viewers, one of them is bound to have a mental illness and hold a grudge.

What most normies do not understand is that if you have 1+ million YouTube subcribers and you speak on controversial topics, you are guaranteed to get death threats. We all get them. It's only a matter of time until one of them is acted upon.

Also, Charlie was directly involved in getting Trump elected. He wasn't just a pundit, he was the chief MAGA vote recruiter. His entire agenda is putting MAGA in power. Of course some unhinged viewer will want revenge for that.

Hmm. Well I guess my next question is was it someone from the left or the right. Either someone from the left (rightfully) pissed off a Charlie’s hateful, sexist, racist rhetoric but who took it to an extreme degree, or a disgruntled right-wing fan angry thar Charlie wasnt “Nazi enough” or something.

I hate to say it I really hope it’s not the first one. The fact that most political violence comes from right-wing nutjobs wouldn’t matter to MAGA if it was a left-winger who shot him. They’re a fascist movement and will use it as an excuse to become as maximum unhinged and oppressive as possible. If it instead turns out to be someone on the right, MAGA will still try and twist and deny it but at least the public opinion wouldn’t be on their side and could actually make their movement look even worse.

I fucking despise that this is where we’re at as a society the strength of democracy lives or dies based off the actions of a few violent radicals, but here we are. Just a very stupid and traumatising age. I hope one day people come to their senses and all this bullshit blows over. 

[Twentyfirst]

4 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Something still isn’t right.  Not everyone can carry out an assassination with professional level competence and manage to escape.   The victim was even wearing a bullet proof vest and the bullet goes right for the neck.   And how convenient that all the competent people have been fired from the FBI.

The bullet bounced off the vest and hit his neck

Definitely not just some trans teenager who got into his mothers medicine cabinet for pills and stole his dads rifle and wanted to make a name for himself. Shooter was from some higher power that determined Charlie served his purpose and was more useful to their agenda dead than alive  

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Jodistrict said:

Something still isn’t right.  Not everyone can carry out an assassination with professional level competence and manage to escape.   The victim was even wearing a bullet proof vest and the bullet goes right for the neck.

A hunter can easily make that shot.

He was probably aiming for the head, not the neck.

You can go practice that shot out in the woods for a week and you will perfect it.

The dude who did it was not so pro. He allowed his face on the cameras. He will definitely be caught now.

A pro would have used a much better disguise so his face was fully covered.

This guy didn't even wear a covid face mask. Such an oversight. He could have worn a bigger hat and covid mask and wig. Then he would never be found.

[Hardkill]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It adds up.

Charlie has said so many racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and regressive things, with such aggressive ignorance and arrogance, that out of tens of millions of viewers, one of them is bound to have a mental illness and hold a grudge.

What most normies do not understand is that if you have 1+ million YouTube subcribers and you speak on controversial topics, you are guaranteed to get death threats. We all get them. It's only a matter of time until one of them is acted upon. The more hateful things one says, the bigger the odds become. Every hateful or bigoted statement pissed off one extra psycho person who might decide to act out.

Also, Charlie was directly involved in getting Trump elected. He wasn't just a pundit, he was the chief MAGA vote recruiter. His entire agenda is putting MAGA in power. Of course some unhinged viewer will want revenge for that.

It may take just about 100K YouTube subcribers for talking about controversial topics from either the Left or the Right to get death threats and all other kinds of harassment.

Around the time Allan and Sam Lichtman got about 100K YouTube subcribers and he predicted that Harris would win the 2024 election, Allan said at the time that he and his family were threatened in many ways by a lot of crazy right-wingers out there.

[Apparition of Jack]

I don’t know if it’s been posted yet but this is a photo of the (alleged) shooter. If it is then he doesn’t strike me as some radical trans activist to me.

This just makes MAGA look even more unhinged. If the shooter was a right-winger then it’s further proof the MAGA movement is an insane death cult that doesn’t even protect its own members. Even more reasons for it to be destroyed. 
 

Edited 1 hour ago by Apparition of Jack

[Twentyfirst]

Wow just saw this photo online. I know that online always has the most crazy shit but damn this could only come from an American mind. Not a single day goes by where I don't realize that ya'll are the craziest most problematic sadistic insane lunatics that god has ever created. Americans just somehow always find ways to surprise me. I should just release all limitations on the American mind so I am never surprised again when there is a new revelation into the bizarreness of it

You don't have to stop. But you have to at least realize how crazy you look to the rest of the planet. Admit that to us at least 

Edited 6 hours ago by Twentyfirst

[Joshe]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A pro would have used a much better disguise so his face was fully covered.

If it was a professional job, maybe the face in the pictures is the disguise. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

If you want to take someone out, you can do it without this level of publicity. 

It is actually VERY easy to access and arrange this, if you even have a modicum of search skill.

This, to me, was done as a statement.

The whole thing is theatrical (in a horrible way). 

Zero impact (comparatively) if he was taken out at home etc.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Apparition of Jack]

15 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Wow just saw this photo online. I know that online always has the most crazy shit but damn this could only come from an American mind. Not a single day goes by where I don't realize that ya'll are the craziest most problematic sadistic insane lunatics that god has ever created. Americans just somehow always find ways to surprise me. I should just release all limitations on the American mind so I am never surprised again when there is a new revelation into the bizarreness of it

You don't have to stop. But you have to at least realize how crazy you look to the rest of the planet. Admit that to us at least 

There is some truly twisted within the current American mind.

A toxic mix of extreme entitlement, national chauvinism, a lack of any real geopolitical rivals, a history of slavery and oppression that hasnt been fully dealt with yet, a destructive aversion to any sort of public funding as “communism”, an extreme lack of accountability surrounding their part in the destruction of other nations (Iraq War e.g.), and a culture built off aggressive “winner-takes-all” main character materialistic bullshit has lead to a nation fundamentally unable to reform itself when it needs to to prevent mass poverty / polarisation / violence / etc. 
 

America needs a massive dose of humility, and they need it now. They can’t keep “destroying” all their political / social / economic enemies and thinking this will lead to a sane, tolerant, peaceful society. Americans need to understand that they’re not the only ones of this planet, that other countries actually DO do certain things better, and that just bombing / murdering / rioting / scheming their way to power won’t fix anything. They’re like a schoolyard bully high on meth.

Edited 6 hours ago by Apparition of Jack

[Hayato]

"De mortuis nil nisi bonum" - "Speak only good of the dead or nothing at all"

[BlessedLion]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

it's not beyond my imagination that the assassination could be for the purpose of making him a right wing martyr so that those in power can grab more of it.

I had this exact thought last night. Or it could even be an outside nation trying to cause further divide and chaos within the US

[AION]

Looks like this is a J-job

 

[UpperMaster]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

If it was a professional job, maybe the face in the pictures is the disguise. 

makes more sense.

[Apparition of Jack]

https://x.com/robertdownen_/status/1965923536348053614?s=46

^ This is a good thread. 

 

So it’s looking more and more like the shooter was a disgruntled Nazi (as in, an actual antisemetic, nationalist Nazi) who shot Charlie for being “too soft on Jews” or “not pro-white” enough or any other countless unhinged Nazi talking points. This attack has all the hallmarks of it - accurate shot from long distance (something only gun nuts can pull off), a well-planned escape, a publicised method to cause as much fear and chaos as possible (similar to the anti-Muslim Christchurch shooting), etc.

If this turns out to be true, it would be a twisted irony that it was a right-winger who killed Kirk, considering Kirk often justified his college debates by saying he preferred political debate to political violence. The fact that someone from “his” own side - most likely some radical pro-Trump groyper - proves that even if you think you can be “civil” about promoting hatred, you will eventually create monsters that will come back to bite you in the ass. 
 

Nazism is a cancer. Nazism is so dangerous that it even gets “normal” right-wing nationalists killed. And Trump supported all of these people. He let Nazis storm the Capitol on Jan 6th. This is why any sort of hatred, no matter how “moderate” or “civil” it is, can never be accepted. Because it can come back to kill even the people who thought they could keep it in check.

Nazism must be destroyed. 

 

EDIT: Shit, who’s to say it wasn’t some crazy wing it who killed Charlie for saying he “didn’t care about the Epstein files?” Kirk come out with a much-derided video saying that he “Trusts his friends in the Trump administration.”

Jesus Christ that would be even crazier

Edited 4 hours ago by Apparition of Jack