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[Xonas Pitfall]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Oh, you mean like science does?

Like any Ego does!

[Joseph Maynor]

I'm not sure science is taking a Truth perspective.  Why is this a hang up?  Scientists are concerned with cataloging observable patterns and testing them through direct experience.    

Edited 8 hours ago by Joseph Maynor

[Inliytened1]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Oh, you mean like science does?

Those darn scientists! But I think pastors are worse 😕

[Elliott]

7 hours ago, TheEnigma said:

I feel taken advantage of, gaslit and scammed by Christianity growing up. How can I make it so that others don't suffer from what I have in the future?

It's a culture war, just partake in the non-christian community and enjoy it, this shows people "the light", you being a "light on the hill" through your joy and community.

Edited 8 hours ago by Elliott

[Joseph Maynor]

But is having ego wise if your job is to criticize others' ego?  

[Joseph Maynor]

17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Those darn scientists! But I think pastors are worse 😕

Preachers can be entertaining more or less, so there's that.

[Jirh]

45 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm not sure science is taking a Truth perspective.  Why is this a hang up?  Scientists are concerned with cataloging observable patterns and testing them through direct experience.    

Good point.

I think there's a confusion, a misunderstanding, and a conflation between science and scientism.

Science is an innocent tool. It is not a person. It has no agenda.

I don't think most people understand what they're criticizing.

[Joshe]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You think? It would only be replaced by another version of it i feel.

I have a theory I'm putting together. I'll share more when it's fleshed out. The basic idea is that technology is changing the speed at which humans shed falsehood.

For new generations, coerced installation of bad ideas will fail at a much higher rate than ever, because the kids will have an instant confirmation tool in their pockets. 

It's interesting if we look at history and analyze how false beliefs and bad ideas were shed over time, what made them shed, how resistant they were, what made them persist, etc.

It's not enough for bad ideas to be thoroughly up-ended with reason. We all know reason alone is super slow at propagating and we basically have to wait on entire cohorts of people to die off (science advances one funeral at a time). But there are other variables. The main one being "knowledge transfer". This is what AI is. Knowledge transfer is now in hyperdrive. You can look at what the printing press, a much less effective knowledge transfer tool, did to bad ideas. 

We've only had high-tech knowledge transfer for a very short time. When every single religious claim can be investigated on-demand by new generations,  that's going to have massive implications.

When I was first shedding Christianity as a teenager, I was the only one I knew doing it and I didn't dare tell people around me that I figured out it was all bullshit. I couldn't discuss it with anyone because it was taboo and blasphemous and people feared I was going to burn in hell, lol. Most believers have questions, and historically they had no good way to seek answers. But this isn't the case for new generations.

There's a lot more to it than this but I think that's the broad stroke. The case studies of bad ideas shedding over time is really interesting. 

250 might be too optimistic, but I think it's possible and maybe even likely. If not 250, there's no way it'll make it to 500. Just think about how old the US is and much false shit has been shed since its inception - and that was just with the printing press, radio, and TV. Now, add a tool that cranks the transfer mechanism up to 11 (AI), and realize nearly every kid will have access to it. That's not going to bode well for religion.

Edited 6 hours ago by Joshe

[Joshe]

@Inliytened1 To your point about replacement, I do think that'll be part of the process, but the replacements will be closer and closer to reality, not further away from it. My guess is, eventually all religion will be shed and replaced with spirituality.

 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Those darn scientists! But I think pastors are worse 😕

That is debatable.

3 hours ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Like any Ego does!

Touche.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

14 hours ago, TheEnigma said:

I feel taken advantage of, gaslit and scammed by Christianity growing up. How can I make it so that others don't suffer from what I have in the future?

Be the Christ to a hurting world. You are their only hope. And know well, only saving them will save yourself. To see God is to be God.

Might want to take a look at an updated version of Christianity called A Course in Miracles. For starters read The Disappearance of the Universe.