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Maybe more of a clear message somewhere on the forum and website that the place for people with thoughts of suicide should be one of these help numbers or organisations, then list the ones/one you think is most helpful in the immediate moment. I got that idea when I revisted teals website again the other day, its at the bottom of her page, she's obviously been through it and found that answer. It helps direct the people in the most danger or pain to a solid physical support system that's immediately there for them.

The article in a nut shell: Young depressed neurotic person still young and depressed and neurotic after watching YouTube videos. Blames others for his problems. thoughts on article: 1. No mention of Leo’s attempt to warn people of the dangers of the work or to make the forum a safer place 2. no ownership of responsibility of the people coming to the forum who clearly already had mental health problems 3. People on the forum and Leo don’t know you. If you are having panic attacks and have done 0 spiritual work… chances are that has nothing to do with spirituality. You need to seek professional advice. Leo is a YouTube channel where he shares his philosophical and spiritual insights. He is not a healthcare worker. 4. Thousands of people watch Leo’s videos and some will kill themselves. But, people are killing themselves anyway. There are a lot of vulnerable and disturbed young people in our society. Simply doing nothing isn’t going to help anyone. Anyone with suicidal thoughts should seek medical attention and call suicide hotline. For me personally, Leo’s work is about HONOURING YOUR LIFE! Suicide is not promoted here and never will be. However, it’s acknowledged the difficulty around assisted suicide for people in extreme suffering. Again, if you are suicidal call a help line. That’s what I did. I don’t blame others. 5. The subject matter here can be mentally destabilizing. Leo, mods and leaders of the forum should do their best to be responsible in how we talk about things like death, suicide etc… but we also have to be able to share our honest views of deep spiritual truths. It’s a complicated situation. 6. The article makes it seem like we don’t care about one another’s well being here. This is completely false. However, not everyone here is well educated, we don’t know one another, and this isn’t a place to find definitive advice on anything. Forums are not a place of truth, or solid mental health advice. Please use a professional for mental health advice not other people on a forum. Reality is imaginary. Death is imaginary. However, imagination is all that there is! Imagination is reality. Honour your life, take care of your body and mental health. Things being imaginary is no reason to harm yourself or others. This work is dangerous. So, tread lightly. Take full responsibility if your gonna partake in this work. 7. Please write articles that are balanced. It’s simply foolish to only take one side. Clearly tens of thousands of people are listening. How are they doing??

So I read the article. The issue is that my teachings were simply never designed or intented for people with mental health issues or suicidal tendencies. I discourage such people from listening to my deepest work. My work has never encouraged suicide, just the opposite. No mentally healthy person listening to my work would get the idea that I am suggesting you commit suicide. AT ALL. To suggest otherwise is simply dishonest. The thrust of my work has always been about prodding people into living with passion. But this is completely ignored by naysayers and critics. I don't sell a suicide course, I sell a life purpose course. I don't talk about suicide almost ever. Also, what the author does not understand or acknowledge is that all spiritual work is psychologically dangerous and easily misinterpreted by the ego-mind. This doesn't make it a cult, it's just how serious spiritual work is. But normies do not appreciate this. They expect spirituality to be sweet and non-threatening. Yes, psychedelics are dangerous when misused. I have warned of this many times. Yes, my teachings are definitely all about undermining your sense of reality. If you don't like that or can't handle that, then don't listen to them. If you listen to me long enough your whole sense of reality will be destroyed. This is a feature, not a bug. You have to decide for yourself whether you can handle that. I cannot decide this for you. A YT channel and an online forum does not constitute a cult. Nothing is "out of control" here. There is no risk of this place losing control and becoming a cult. I would never allow that and on one else has the Admin rights necessary to pull that off. If you think that I have built a cult here, you're really insulting my ability to build a cult. If I wanted to build a cult it would be bigger than Osho's. And if I was teaching people who to commit suicide, I would have 100s of suicides to my name.

and what about all the straight people that commit suicide that just didn't come out? couldn't possible count that

@Max_V I might've guessed wrong, I thought @Leo Gura was talking about the last video between Reckfull and Dr. K, and whatever happened between the time he and Dr. k logged off, and before his suicide, that something happened with his game, and Reckfull's vision being limited.

People love artists. There is room for different industries and all are important. Musicians inspired me to read, to pursue spirituality, to love myself and others. Musicians taught me about racism, wars, peace, human nature. Music stopped me from committing suicide, to become a better partner. art is powerful. check out: The Mission Of Art - Alex Grey

@Max_V If I have to guess what @Leo Gura is really saying, is that Reckfull's vision for his life is too limited that he made his entire life about one video game he's making, which created the problem that if the game was finished, or cancelled, that there were no other available alternatives to pursue, that was what triggered the depression and suicide, the finish of that game, which was a problem because Dr. K in an earlier video woth Reckfull, gave him that framing, to stick to finishing that game. It was one of several mistakes in Dr. K's part that lead to his suicide.

I understand what you mean by this, I think, but the I feel like you don't have the right context. Reckful was 16 at the time when he tried to kill himself over that video game. 10 years prior, his big brother committed suicide and since then he had to live with that abandonment and a family that was dealing with their own shit and so were not able to take care of him. To illustrate what his family was like, I'm pretty sure his dad was suicidal after his son killed himself and talked plainly about it with Reckful. Next to that while Reckful was about 30 his mom introduced the idea to him of a suicide pact where they would do it together. So to say his circumstances were awful is an understatement. To just say "oh nothing could've saved him, doing something like that signifies he's too fragile for life" I think that's not fair and also sounds very cold. Finally, the end result of if Reckful would've died if Dr.K provided the right treatement is not relevant when we simply look at the fact that I think it's an ethical duty he is obligated to in that situation. Of course it's not like he has the onus to provide help for everyone he sees suffering, but they were literaly in a pseudo doctor-patient relationship. I would expect more from a doctor than to not set clear boundaries and not be the responsible one. If you don't think it was a big factor in this instance, fine, but those rules exist because of the potential harm they can cause.

I don't think so. It's disanalogous because Ivermectin is definitionally a treatment method (even if it has 0 effect). It's not a prognosis. It's more like you're asking him to say "don't kill yourself" after bringing up a statistic about how likely you are to commit suicide if you have x personality type.

Hello everyone, it's been a long time since I last visited actualized.org. I've got a true story of awakening curing a mental illness that I want to share with you guys. My cousin got an awakening that cured his mental illness But before I get into that, I think I get to say awakening is probably ( I'm not sure) not good in this case. I have a cousin that I really love. His mother and I recognized from his childhood that he had the potential to become a good actor but he unluckily inherited a mental illness from his father . He's been suffering from his childhood, worse by time. He's been lying unneccessarily just to enjoy himself by talking nonsense, causing trouble and all kinds of stuff, not working to earn money. He lived an unhealthy life, being impatient like an animal, wasting his money like a rich kid while in reality his family is poor, though he never got into heroin or cigarrette or any drug of the sort. People could still communicate with him. If you just talk with him 2-3 times you would not realize he got a mental illness. You would even probably think he's an interesting guy. He never admitted ( probably even to himself) that he was an insane man even though his parents told me 1 female doctor have told him directly. About three years ago, he self-harmed himself by cutting his left hand (below the arm but above the palm) and therefore that led to a lot of scars on his hand. He sadly said he just wanted to bleed to death. What a stupid action and I heard it. How could small injuries lead to death by bleeding, ceartainly the body would heal them. It only resulted in him looking ugliness. His hand is now like a tree, not a human's hand. I told him to try meditation. And in 2021 Oct he somehow got awakened. He finally admitted he was insane his whole life. Now he's got a more healthy life, really healthy. However, after his mental illness was cured, he became very sad for having remembered he himself created all those scars on his hand. Prior to this, he never cared about those scars. He's got a temporary job now but always worried the boss would fire him if they know about those scars. Only heroin addicts would self-harm themselves but in fact he NEVER did drugs. He's still meditating now but honestly in this case, I feel that it would have been better if he just committed suicide because he himself because he tells me to him living is just like a dragging to grave. There's zero chance he can become an actor when he has those scars and he's facing the possibility of being fired if the boss saw those scars. He's got zero work experience. So, is awakening from a mental illness really good? I have reverence for life but honestly I think the people who have mental illness and ALREADY self-harmed themselves like my cousin should receive euthanasia. Having realized you yourself self-harmed and destroyed your life is more detrimental than anything. Surprisingly, my cousin forgives his father for passing insane genes on him. He's told me an insane person does not know he's insane. Only healthy people can recognize insanity in mad people. Therefore, he instead hates his mother more for having married a madman.

Today I feel a lot of fear in my body, it seems that I can't stop thinking about war coming, suicide, contacting my ex toxic girlfriend to feel less alone... Is there a particular technique / meditation that help to deal with fear & anxiety please?

This is the linchpin of your entire argument, and it’s pure speculation There have been gay people since humanity began. Stop giving a fuck about it, who cares if it’s normalised. Anything that moves it towards being considered more acceptable will reduce the suicide rate and suffering of that community in the long run. Anything that does the opposite (more or less what you are suggesting as far as I can tell) will keep it where it is or increase it. If you reduce the acceptability of it in order to decrease the number of homosexual people overall, you will just increase the suffering of the smaller group of homosexual people because they feel like there’s more of a problem with them

Before we can even discuss gay marriage, there are many layers of couched assumptions you're already operating on that need to be discussed and agreed upon first. Is being LGBT something innate that people are born with, is it caused by environmental and social factors, or somewhere in between? The truth is, we don't know for sure yet. Despite how much the mainstream will push an exclusively "born this way" narrative, the actual scientific studies are much less certain. "No conclusive evidence supports any one specific cause of homosexuality; however, most researchers agree that biological and social factors influence the development of sexual orientation." https://books.google.ca/books?id=ivALBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA502&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "The reason some individuals develop a gay sexual identity has not been definitively established" https://books.google.ca/books?id=fofaAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA82&redir_esc=y "While scientists do not know the exact cause of sexual orientation, they theorize that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences" https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/113/6/1827/64422/Sexual-Orientation-and-Adolescents?redirectedFrom=fulltext Does being LGBT and/or supporting LGBT people have a positive, neutral, or negative impact on individuals and society? I would argue it has a negative impact based on suicide rates and mental health issues alone. 41% of transgender individuals attempt suicide https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/ . For gay and bisexual men, 12% have attempted suicide. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447240/ Contrast this against the general population - 0.5% have attempted suicide. https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ I hypothesize that even in a culture free of bullying and discrimination, LGBT people would still be at a significantly higher risk of suicide and mental health issues than the general population, and that this is an unavoidable side-effect. If being LGBT has a neutral or negative impact, is it ethical to take steps to minimize known environmental and social factors that contribute toward people becoming gay/trans/etc? If you have the ability to control something that reduces your child's lifetime risk of suicide from 12% to 0.5%, I believe you have a moral obligation to do it. (The evidence so far suggests that once someone identifies as LGBT, you cannot "convert" them into being straight. I think that's cruel and shouldn't be attempted. I don't advocate for any kind of conversion therapy. I am only talking about influencing a child's sexuality before they reach a developmental point of no return before they've decided one way or the other.) Does Maltreatment in Childhood Affect Sexual Orientation in Adulthood? - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/ Suicide is just one factor to consider, there may be other negative implications as well. We don't yet know what all of these social and environmental factors are, but I think we should study it and attempt to reduce them as much as possible. Even a 0.1% ethical reduction in LGBT-identified people by removing these factors during childhood would save tens of thousands of lives. No matter what we do, some people will always end up identifying as LGBT. What should we do in these cases? This is where things like gay marriage, bathroom gender discussions, trans athlete discussions, etc come in. I don't think that bullying or being hostile to LGBT people is acceptable. However, we have to consider whether normalizing LGBT lifestyles presents a net harm to society. - Children of homosexual couples less likely to identify as straight - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20642872/ https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/adult-children-lesbian-parents-less-likely-identify-straight-study-finds-n989976 - Does favorable or glamorizing representation of LGBT people in media make kids more likely to identify as LGBT? My intuition says yes, but I don't think a study has been done on this, but it's another environmental factor to consider. - Americans who self-identify as LGBT has gone from 3.5% in 2012 to 5.6% in 2020, that's a huge jump. Statistically that's almost a million extra people who will attempt suicide. Is it purely people feeling more able to openly identify without discrimination, or is something actually happening that is making a higher proportion of people LGBT? https://news.gallup.com/poll/329708/lgbt-identification-rises-latest-estimate.aspx Hopefully I've provided enough credible sources to back up my statements that this isn't taken as homophobic.

That's sad k why would you fight and hope to die if you don't even feel connected to any country? is this a kind of suicide by war type deal? or it would give your life/death meaning? Yea certainly. although it's probably much easier to kill enemies with a joystick form an office with a drone, or drop bombs than to stab an enemy with a sword while seeing his face.

This misunderstanding is very directly and simply put to rest by the following metaphor if the pointing is seen: Q: Did Romeo and Juliet choose (or cause) their suicide? A: Obviously not, because it's just a play. Only in the story did something in the story cause their suicide. In the same way, choices in the real world are simply an appearance of the infinite -- like a tree growing, but faster, and (like everything else) diverse in its own way. Only in the story can something in the story cause anything to happen.

Well honestly your still a good distance away from the conflict zone. Do your best to carry on life as normal. Ground yourself internally to handle external circumstance. Theres really no reason to discontinue your project. Your idea of the future, which you don't see, will never be the real thing. You cant predict the circumstances that will arise tomorrow let alot the next 10 years. So your only limiting yourself by settling into false beliefs. Until something happens that becomes a direct threat to your personal progress no need to stop your personal progress. Until its in your direct experience its only concept and imagination from your point of view worrying about it. The fear will pass once you can relax back into your normal routine, Your reacting because this is something new and uncertain. So take it easy, Uncertainty is a feeling, not a fact. Manage the feelings. Suicide only has the appearance of a better outcome than your imagined worst case scenario. Its a temporary fearful thought of avoidance from a situation your not literally in in the current moment, just recognize that. Theres no bombs falling in Belgium and theres no reasons for Russia to advance into that territory. Your not alone, talk to your family and friends, here on the forum as well.

Not all Christians are evil either, nor Buddhists. Most certainly some are, and some will murder just as some Muslims. I do understand what you are saying in regard to "religion" as a whole. My qualm is purposefully attacking Islam. If the oil was in India no doubt we'd be talking about Hindu and Buddhist suicide bombers. If the religious roles were reversed and the west was not in power then the Christians would be suicide bombing. The problem is not the specific religion, the problem, as I see it, is that nations which are down-trodden turn to any peace of hope they can find. Some people prey on this and recruit fundamentalists (the specific religion doesn't really matter - note; not even Buddhism escapes this phenomenon). If there was no religion then there would be some other ideology to put to work, maybe nationalistic tendencies, basically some cultural difference, be it language, race or whatever. If we are asking what religions are more prone to being manipulated into hatred, then yes, Islam is probably quite high up there, but I wouldn't put it higher than Judaism or Christianity. They are, as I've said already, pretty much cast from the same mold.

@puporing I feel fear & anxiety since I saw the war has begun. Almost every sound I hear from outside give me anxiety, I try to identify them and reassure myself, I was never like that before. I'm thinking about suicide for myself because I don't want to see a war

There aren't alot of information to go off of.. how long have you been feeling fear/anxiety? That might give a clue.. the stuff you mentioned may be triggers to something else, hard to say. And what do you mean by can't stop thinking about suicide? For yourself or others?

sunk cost fallacy They respect power and consequences. Plus Russia has no claim to Poland or Romania or desire to kick that beehive. Putin hasn't lost his mind, trying to take back the entire former USSR would be a suicide mission. That's not my words, I said the opposite That's not something to "go back to", the world has always been that way. You just happened to be born and grew up in an extremely rare time of peace and prosperity. Time to buckle up, because the rest of your life is probably going to be hell in comparison. Instability and danger is the rule, not the exception. We never had true stability, it just takes a while for the inequality to bubble up and for people to take action. If you try to knock down every country that tries something like this, you'll be playing whack-a-mole forever. Plus it's like bottling the pressure back up, it'll just explode even worse in the future.

If she’s wearing a nuclear suicide vest that kind of implies she’s crazy - “my way or we all die bitches”

Yeah, but the trick is that your mom is wearing a nuclear suicide vest. Anyways.... I don't have strong opinions about this issue. We must see how it plays out. Obviously I don't approve of the invasion.

@Reciprocality About drugs, existencialism, suicide, imagination, creativity ... letting go, trauma and if there is contrast or purpose, virginity/sex, internal frustration where I could break things, difficulty finding love amongst social circles, daily chaos life proposes, am I a puppet without free will ...

Hello, To contextualize things, let me start off by emphasizing that this question is being asked from a poignantly pragmatic stance, as opposed to some hypothetical armchair or meditative ass-cushion one. In other words, the young-adult persona typing this question is standing on their God-given feet, trying to make life decisions. The essence of this query has to do with how awakening/enlightenment may shift ones relationship-outlook as such (including how it pertains to my particular situation which I'll get into in a moment). To be more specific, I'm asking whether enlightenment/awakening serves* to “enhance/enrich” relationships (making them more profound than they would be in a normal state of consciousness) or whether it actually “ruins/spoils” the spellbinding magic of them. You see, as an introvert who has struggled their entire life with being intimate/romantic (including the cultivation of friendships in general), I initially turned to spirituality with the hope it would help me “get out of my head” and make it easier to actualize my desire for connecting with others. With that being said, upon delving deeper, I inevitably ran into non-dual teachings. These of course talk about the “illusion of otherness” - a message, which I'm afraid has impacted me in the most ironically soul-crushing manner. In short, this news has pretty much capsized my stage-green, interpersonal endeavors and has left me in a sea of crippling depression. Note: My unrest hasn't just merely come from teachings, but also experiences on substances. Given that I have no way of feasibly erasing my memory of my current circumstances that wouldn’t entail committing suicide, I’m frankly desperate for some yellow/turquoise wisdom in terms of moving forward. I say this because I’m doubtful that a therapist, (who would in all likelihood be operating from some limited orange/green paradigm) could offer that much help. At least, this is the way I see it at any rate - especially since my quandary has now inflated to a metaphysical level as opposed to being merely psychological. To be blunt, as a spiritual amateur who has only half-assed the “oneness/awakening game” and as an autistic incel who has no ass in the “social/collective game”, I feel like I'm imbibing the worst of both worlds so to speak. I never could've guessed God would ever dare to have such a dark sense of humor - even in his wildest dreams. Thanks,

@Someone here to me this is basically the essence of LOA or Manifestation. It's not that your circumstances will somehow magically make you happy, its that the more happy you become, the more higher vibrational energy you send out into the cosmos, the more it harmonizes your life - hence attracting that same frequency back into your experience. It's like with your room. It is quite literally a reflection of the inside of your mind. The same with your life as a whole. There is no disconnect. So to me it's not that things inherently make you happy - we all know of the super famous and rich that hate their lives and commit suicide. But if you're happy you may just end up with some things, and if not - that's okay. The emotion comes first, always.