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@SQAAD Well Leo also said to go by personal experiences. All of mine have been extremely Vedic, which is that all is Brahman, but they do have an "Atman". Atman IS Brahman. Brahman is without attribute. Buddhist "Sunyata" yes, and the obvious changing of all form including all forms which constitute my ego. But very heavily Vedic... I find Rupert Spira's discussions are closer to helping me relive and understand what I experienced. I find Leo's discussions to get to me more on an intellectual level. I definitely identify when he talks about nothingness though. I wonder what your own experiences tell you?

Greg: So then what are the other types of consciousness? We have Pattern Holder, Observer, Interventionist, and Consciousness Construct. What else? Spirit Guide: I can tell you these things but it won’t do them justice just to label them and this is not the time for a full discussion of them either. Greg: Alright. Then just tell me what you do. What does YOUR job description entail? Spirit Guide: Ah! I have a very interesting job. Given a full understanding of my job you will reach a new understanding of your life. I think you will find it interesting indeed and it will elucidate much for you. You’ll be pleased, therefore, to know that this will be the subject of our next communication. And, of course, the timing is perfect. The next communication will be my last with you and we will be finishing my section with the completion of the answer to that question. Greg: And no more? Spirit Guide: Well, you shall unfortunately have to wait. A new guide will appear in your life when you are ready, as the saying goes. What I have sought to do thus far is to describe to you the dimensional structure of your greater reality in such a way that you can understand it. I have, therefore, discussed with you the way you might personally experience each dimension. I have now also explained to you that there might be some very different ways to experience these same dimensions and that the one perspective does not invalidate the other it only adds to it. What I did not try to do is to describe the dimensions in terms of the hard and definite edges of mathematics. It is the norm in your current culture to see the dimensions as the purview of scientists and mathematicians. But it is far more suited to my purposes to bring to the subject the awareness that your whole reality is composed of consciousness and that one cannot remove the observer from the experience. Without the observer there is nothing. And you, all of you, are Observers. And to bring this home I spoke in the most personal terms possible – the way you would possibly observe your own experiences in the various dimensions. And so I believe I have acquitted myself quite well of the task of describing to you in simple, understandable terms what you might find at each of the dimensions. Greg: Wow, yes, I certainly think you have! And I really enjoyed this description of yours. It was so much richer in meaning for me than I anticipated it being. Thank you! But there is one thing I am still wondering about. You closed each description of each dimension with a shape. 0D was a point, 1D was a line, 2D a flat shape and so on. All except The Dimension of Oneness. Is there no shape for it? Spirit Guide: Yes, there most certainly is! And it is very easy to describe too. The shape for The Dimension of Oneness is – are you ready for it – a point! A singular, imaginary point of nothingness which contains everything. It is a point in which depth, width and height have no meaning. The Dimension of Oneness is the same as 0D because it IS 0D. Greg: Of course it is! That is poetic and perfect. I love it! Spirit Guide: And so we have come full circle, have we not? We have ended where we began. But, as we do, so we realize we have changed and grown for the fact that we have gone around the circle. And so we are not at EXACTLY the same place as we began. It is therefore not a circle we have travelled but a spiral. What fun! Shall we begin another spiral loop? We'll talk about densities next. Greg: Excellent. You said these were experienced within myself. But I must say the dimensions, the way you describe them, seemed to be all about my experience anyway. Spirit Guide: It is the difference between inner-experience and outer-experience. You’ll see what I mean. February 18th, 2022.

"Again" Interesting choice "what was said was "all answered by awakening." - that is one of the many comments offered my friend. Seems like you would have enough insight to realize, if "all answered by awakening" was enough then we wouldn't need this forum. There would be a static page that says, "awakening answers all" or something. Here is paradoxical nature, it isn't that awakening doesn't answer all, it does, but part of the awakening process is the discussions and events along the way. For the seeker that has already realized the power of awakening, your comments are more like a buzzing fly or having your nose rubbed in it. There is a desire for substance, please provide something with texture and grit. I wonder if you are hesitant due to the vulnerable position it would put you in. Once you step away from these safe vague comments you put yourself in a position to be challenged, fairly or unfairly. All good, ultimately this is about my lack of interest in quips that don't really contribute much, over the top obvious, elementary in nature. Anyway, I will openly welcome the nothingness of your somethingness. My apologies, and appreciation.

Beautiful response. I can see that we may have to put great effort to stop believing the thoughts such as with meditation, as thoughts are like conjecture and not the full picture, the Enlightened One. Time/past/death are thoughts, ideas. But if we have no thoughts, it is like there is nothing to experience other than nothingness so I can see that it can be nice to experience both listening and not listening to thoughts. So basically any structure of reality that we come up with is a thought and is not necessarily it, including time, start, end. I am no expert but I decided to give some suggestions too. You could look at it as there is only one universal self and that within that universal self, you could look at it that there are a bunch of selves and you, as a human, are just one of them You are the one that does those things. You could create some thoughts to create your own identity (and sense of self) as identity is basically made and exists by thoughts. We don't really know if we exist or not but we can't prove it one way or the other and it kinda doesn't matter - even if this universe is imaginary, we imagine and feel like we are here. The feeling better refers to you. You have power and control. Use your hand and pick something up or wave your hand back and forth - you can do that. You can tell yourself that you will shut one eye and you can get your eye to shut. You were able to get on the computer and type a message using sentences. You choose to feel better and meditate. There is you to meditate. We have thoughts that think about thoughts and use that to come up with more thoughts and we listen to it and it is like watching tv where we forget we are watching tv and we start believing what we are seeing and start crying when the actor is crying or when our thoughts are sad. We start believing every thought we have as that is the main show on and we are giving it our attention. We think a sad thought and then we decide to cry and then our crying reinforces the idea we should be sad and maybe we stop believing and then stop crying. We don't have to believe the thoughts. We can change our thoughts/activities if we want to do that and if we think that that is to cure something or feel better. If it is too confusing, you could have the duality of entire Self and individual selves in various bodies. Ask why you are feeling fear - what about trying to seek calmness and accept things for how they are as they are and try to make peace. Maybe try to quiet the thoughts and peace will arise. Maybe try other ways to think about separate self. Sometimes we can't really solve something and we just have to be okay with it. We have power and also don't have power. Ah well I hope things get better for you!

He is stating clearly that he realized everyone (such as you and me) are imaginary p-zombies. He's being very clear. Read between the lines, he's talking to himself. He does not believe you are reading anything he's posting or watching any video he makes. I also took shit tonnes of drugs, nothing like that occurred, and it also never occured to Buddha or w.e. The usual mystic solipsism differs from Leo's, as they concede others are not p-zombies, but merely that the experiences of others are had by their Self or nothingness, depending on tradition as there's no-self in Buddhism.

The black border exists as nothingness, there is no such thing as non-existence. There can be no bubble of consciousness because everything outside the bubble is consciousness too. You're using the bubble and the border to distinguish between form and formlessness, but it is all consciousness and existence.

Can anyone confirm that when physical death occurs (imaginary physical death of the imaginary physical body) which one of the following happens: A) An infinite eternal black void of Nothingness Unity for ever (never again its imagined a material illusion with duality ?) B) A can happen (or not) But just for some time. Then another "Life" its imagined and i get to play the illusion again. (All the circunstances change, of course). IMO, option A) would be more closer to What mainstream culture thinks What Death is. Yes, there is still awareness But there wouldnt be any illusion anymore (which was the whole point of Life ?). So It would be basically like being dead :facepalm: Option B) would be better... But just shoot me with the Truth.

Did you take psychedelics yet? if you take them a coupe of times and have binged enough non-dual content you will surely understand what we mean by nothingness and your true self, and then you will not need to sell your business and retreat in a mountain or something, this work can be done in less than a year if you really want.

If you successfully exhaust all the fulfilling of all the maslow hierarchy of needs the only one more thing that you can do in this life is to awaken, if you successfully awaken to nothingness it will be revealed to you that the only thing that you want is to be more present. And then, you can still enjoining your business if is that what you really want, The final point of life its nothing more than play and explore your infinite creation.

"Noticing The External World Doesn't Exist" That is obvious, as you know everything you have ever known or ever could know is a projection of your own mind. Anything that's a "thing" will always rely on some form of perception. Perception is what gives things thing-ness. Without perception everything is nothingness, like how mathematics is not made of some sort of "substance". There IS no substance at all. There is only apparent substance (thing-ness) by perception.

Session Eight: 35 minutes. Peace. Stillness. Today I was filled with doubt about God and Oneness. Little glimpses of God structure gave these doubts a little slap with the back hand No deep and clear memory flashbacks this time. But had many interesting ideas and plans what to do with this wonderful moment. Ideas were mostly about food like to prepare and stuff I want to do in the gym. Sounds petty, but thats what makes enjoyable for me right now. Happiness. At the end I "dropped" under my perception of reality and felt this surrounding nothingness in and around me. Reality was just this thing in front of me, which is contained in nothingness.

@Judy2 I don't see how this relates to finite consciousness or infinite consciousness. Realizing No-Self/Nothingness can still perfectly be explained in the materialistic paradigm. Infinity cant, hence the post above.

The thing is, if that is what he thinks then you have direct evidence that he has gone crazy, of course, as you are aware. I noticed in his video he maybe was using time in an odd way, and just a few things that he said made it unclear. Which sucked because I wanted his clear opinion on whether he believes in NPCs or merely every experience being had by the same nobody. When he said for example, that others are not seeing simultaneously to you. Well, simultaneous kind of works within the confines of time. As we actually experience time, we only experience "now", and in our experience, that "now" moment changes in content. If you were at the beach a week ago, that experience is being had "now" just like whatever content has filled that space. If you had no memory of that event, and no ego, that experience could as well be ascribed to another individual. There is no difference between an experience you had but don't remember, and another person's experience in this moment... As it is all "now" and simultaneous as such. It is the apparent passage of time that spreads it out like the pages of a flickbook when the entire flickbook exists as a single unit, already whole and complete. In terms of NPCs, when you look at a person, everything about them is a construction of mind, their appearance is a hallucination, etc etc. Their true "appearance" is nothingness. As there is not really anything "out there". Also true when you see your own face in a mirror. The person in the mirror does not have experience from the side of the mirror, no image has experience and all people including your own reflection are images. All experience takes place in the same HERE and NOW. Literally the "perspective" from which you view everything is the same precise location from which the images of other people standing in front of you also see the world from... But to confine it to one ego etc, it is very peculiar. It's more like all people are you experiencing the world (also you - nothingness) via different masks and egos built upon a story of memories. You are experiencing me typing this in the same way you experienced an event you remember from last week. It is all now, all simultaneous.

I only came here due to drug revelations, it is the sole reason I have any interest in nonduality at all. The trips I had strip ego and do all sorts of bizarre things alien to our daily lives. I think very mentally unwell people seeking "help" from spirituality will probably just drive themselves into psychosis. As such if you need advice you should probably see a medically trained psychiatrist. I don't believe OCD and schizophrenic people read some "spiritual" stuff and are suddenly well. The highest I ever got was taking 5 hits of acid and then smoking a breakthrough dose of DMT at the peak. That is when I reached a place where the ego was left behind, and coming back from that were several realizations... E.g. the irony of monks meditating for their entire lives, when all monk-ness to that monk is just part of the separate self, and in actuality that monk is equal to a murderer child rapist junkie, because it is just existence itself and alone. The monk and murderer and all of that, is like a mask on top of pure being that falls away like all things. That is the type of solipsism I encountered personally. That is the type of solipsism discussed by figures like Rupert Spira, and ancient mystics. "No others" is not meant to mean that everyone is an NPC but you. That is when the ego, which is of course limited (ALL appearances are finite, infinity = nothingness substantially) attempts to comandeer control of the infinite. Which is impossible because it's like a character on a screen trying to somehow comandeer control of the screen. Appearance trying to somehow become the infinite which is inherently total nothingness, non-appearance. It's just an appearance, zero causative power of any kind!!!!

I've done more than enough. Solipsism where every experience is had by you, is not equivalent to NPC theories. This is the only thing that matters when discussing solipsism, and it was not addressed. Or it was hinting at NPC theories. There is not any sound reasoning to believe in NPC type solipsism at all. This is not the same as your girlfriend being made of nothingness, this is not the same as your girlfriend's thoughts being had by you...

This dream is one of materialism, it functions precisely as such. Materialism only fails when trying to propose an external world or that materialism creates consciousness itself. However the brain is absolutely and certainly attached to certain happenings like memory and ego. Altering the brain can destroy those things, that is why we take drugs which alter the functioning of the brain. It is not of consequence that brains are made of no substance at all, or that there is no substance PERIOD (which is true, there is no such thing as a substance, just nothingness appearing as everything), it still functions as such. The solipsism Leo is going into right now is not the type of solipsism which might be discussed by Buddha, Spira, whatever other figure. It's not the usual non-duality from 5-MeO-DMT. That's why he says it's way beyond normal "awakening", he's been doing other "weird" drugs and having "conversations with God". He's had a 5-MeO-MALTdown...

If you want to picture it, I picture it as a vacuum of space that is self-aware, a self-aware vacuum of space. But when I say vacuum of space I don’t mean space like the universe. I mean no color, no visual anything. Just complete nothingness.

I feel identified. I got rid of the monster in one day, then it came back, but i already knew what it was... it was never the same and now it's not even a little monster. It was a short time ago, maybe half a year. I took 2 g of mushrooms, and I quickly saw that the thing was going to be unpleasant. As you say, I took a beating from the monster. I endured it stoically. Suddenly, in the middle of the mental torture, something became clear, obvious, evident. out of the void, out of absolute nothingness, my experience arose like a perfect diamond, something of celestial beauty and perfection. and there was "me" labeling, gutting that gem opining that this and that should have been, perhaps, a little different. in a matter of a second, the monster lost its poison completely. there it was, fluttering around me like a black and white movie, lifeless, a dead thought, nothing more. my mind was released, like never before. overall lightness. I went out into the street and the beauty of the sky, the color of the people walking through the center of the city, street musicians, was dazzling, wonderful. At the time, the little monster returned, but for a short time, weak. Yesterday for example, I came back driving 7 hours from a trip, and not a thought of those crossed my mind. something unthinkable before. the monster is nothing more than the should be activity that you print to everything. It is you, who from a wrong, aberrant perspective, print that stupid demand, learned, transmitted by others, of how reality should be. reality is, and "you" must remove your dissonance from it make the should be match to the micron with what it is, because this is the reality. what is is what should be. this has to be seen beyond logic. the monster is the dissonance between what should be and what is, an activity that you do continuously

Do you catch yourself dreaming? Are you aware that: That life of yours is just another dream, within a field of Infinite dreams? But you are holding this dream more dear so you have a ground to stand on? This is just pure magic. Look at "your" hands. Look at everything around you. Its just pure magic. Its amazing. There is nothing here. But yet it seems and "appears" to be "something" "here". Everything is made of the same substance: Consciousness and Awareness. This cannot be "experienced" or summoned through an intellectual process. The mind has to be silent for this to be seen/witnessed. But yet, what is processing this "Nothing" in to "Something", is precisely the Mind. Its so twisted... but so perfect. So beautiful. Our attachments to thoughts, feelings, emotions, senses and our own perspective: Are precisely that which makes this dream in to a solid Reality. But if "we" loosen up these attachments, then there wont be anything holding "your"/"our" awareness, "here". Your dream becomes looser and looser. Question is: What is "outside" this dream? Is it just pure Nothingness? In one of my recent trips (20mg 2CB), I noticed reality breaking down. (Not in a dramatic way) But it was as if everything was "dissapearing" through "my" perspective. It was as if Everything I tied to this dream: Was just being erased with "me" dissapearing. Moments before "experience" of "No-Thing" I heard a laugh with a deep voice, in slow-motion. And with my eyes closed, I looked at it, and the first thing that came to me was: Self-Deception. Gods Infinite Trick, on Her/Himself. But there was so much Love within my heart, and my hands were radiating with love and heat, that I couldnt do anything else but to laugh at that deep voice (Instead of being scared or frightened by it). At that moment "I" dissapeared. There was nothing. No sense of I, no sense of reality, no sense of anything whatsoever. While it was happening, there were NO experience, nor any experiencer of "this" whatsoever. Not in the way we would think an experience would be. And only when "I" came back, did "I" realize I was "gone"... Its as if: When you are "Nothing" you dont "know" that you are "No-Thing", until "you" become "something". Then you can realize what "No-Thing" is. Its like a superthin veil inbetween these two sides. And whenever "you" jump between the two sides, you forget completely Everything you knew from "your" previous side.

I don't want to make this a full trip report and describe the entire thing. But basically, I took one puff of a disposable vape pen like this one: And depersonalized / derealized / dissociated (idk what the technical term would be) for like 3 hours. This was a grey market vape pen (weed is legal here, but only through government-run or approved dispensaries) so it's possible it contained synthetic cannabinoids like spice or something crazy. But I had a very similar experience with 100% for sure pure/authentic THC oil from the government before as well. The seller seemed reputable and had lots of positive reviews from this product that seemed like they were from real people. In a place where weed is legal, I don't think they can get away with cutting their product with fake stuff nowadays. So I'm pretty convinced it was pure THC and I guess weed is just not for me. The main thing that really freaked me out was... it was like I was following myself a split second after the fact. And I could jump between being slightly behind myself, in the present moment, or slightly in the future. I guess my main concern is... if I react this badly to cannabis, am I going to have a similar experience with mushrooms or DMT? I thought I was just going to relax a little bit as an introduction to mind-altering substances but I blasted all the way off the deep end into insanity. I haven't done mushrooms before, but this is literally what I would've expected a 3+ gram or more mushroom trip to feel like. I had to lay in bed in the dark listening to music to try and hold onto the present moment, and every 10 minutes at a time felt like an hour. I had maybe 20% positive and 80% negative from it. I think I felt what Nothingness is at one point, and absolute bliss at another point. But then waves of feeling terrible would always come back and took up a lot more of the time. This CAN'T be what taking 1 hit of weed feels like to normal people. There's no way Elon Musk could do a podcast in this state, there's no way Snoop Dogg could record music in this state. I couldn't do this and then play video games and just chill out. I'm wondering what it all means... Does cannabis just not agree with me? Is the plant trying to tell me I'm not ready? Is being this sensitive a sign of spiritual development, or a lack of spiritual development? Should I still try mushrooms or DMT to see if I react better to them? Or is this a sign my mind is too weak and if I try a more potent substance I may permanently go insane? After being in that state I definitely have a newfound appreciation for being sober and living in reality. I don't want to go back there any time soon.

The more woke you get the more alone you get, until eventually you are so alone reality simple disappears forever into infinite nothingness/oneness. That last bit is the most terrifying thing you can imagine. Everything simply disppears forever. You end reality. You fully awaken, but you also realize you killed yourself, the universe, and all other beings. Now you bask in a pure metaphysical infinite love forever. It's a love that has no end, ever. It annihilates you until no memory of yourself remains. You are simulatenously fully awake and dead. You cannot even recall you ever existed as a human. You simply become nothing forever. It's what you imagine death is, but you are 100% conscious. You become so conscious it kills you. And you are so alone that no one and nothing can save you. You've completely lost your mind.

Sounds like a bad "energy or thought forms" got a hold of you when your guard was down, it is nothing to worry about, just let it go, trust that there is a Light which the darkness comprehends not, but that Light is mightier then the darkness, and it's there for you, just have faith. The darkness is the going away or hiding from he that is Light, it has no dominion. There is such a Light brother that will embrace you and show you the Truth, evil is the absence of the Good and is nothingness, but not even evil can have power over the uncreated Light. It destroys darkness.

There is a difference between the nothingness of ego which I have certainly experienced, and what I am pondering about whether even the viewpoint which is "the void" can be eliminated. When I became void and nothing, there was still a viewpoint. I was nothing such that my ego became an appearance in front of me just like a vision was, ALL forms were in fact. But I was this nothingness. And I wonder if maybe I am not even a "nothingness" observing objects which includes my self, but literally just the observed objects which are sort of observing themselves and entirely alone in the same way the Sun illuminates itself. No God or I or self or any of this.

@Salvijus it is hard to swallow the nothingness of ego for the impermanent biological organism. It can come up with ingenious defense mechanism to defend its survival and existence. It is like an actor arguing with the director that the the movie should not end.

@RMQualtrough @Salvijus One could say nothing exists (as in literally existence = nothingness). Could also say all there is = existence, and nonexistence = impossible. Or you could say existence and nonexistence are not two.