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Sounds like alien consciousness is just a hyper aware unlimited lucid dream to me. Accessed through collapse of all human dream limits.

Evolution and proteins are just a fiction at the level of Alien Consciousness.

Can you not just channel some Alien intelligence @Leo Guraand figure it out serious question though do you not have access to almost limitless levels of intelligence in your new “human jailbroken” alien state of consciousness. sounds silly but surely this advanced consciousness comes with advanced intelligence. Or is it that you do but anything that isn’t completely limitless intelligence will always pale in comparison to infinite intelligence by nature?

Not necessarily. As a human, you cannot comprehend what it would be like to be alien conscious. It’s like asking a human to transform into a donkey on command. If you enjoy identifying and being a human, then I recommend you stick to human stuff for now.

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Good question, this is something I actually gave it some thoughts. Since you asked, this are my most probably wrong conclusions about movies I believe that story telling is part of the human condition. One could consider movies an evolution of those tales around the fire from when we used to live in tribes. Movies (or stories in general) allow us to gain experience based on events that never happened to us. They can be based on real stories, or in hypothetical events. Sort of "what if". What if aliens want to invade earth. By learning from this exogenous experiences we learn how to react and behave. Sort of like a vaccine exposes us to pathogens we haven't encountered yet. Movies also provide us with moral values that are essential for a society and survive in a society as an individual. If one think about it, how many values have we acquired through movies? For example, we all know that cheating in a relationship is inmoral. I think personally I learnt that in movies (before it was the Bible). From ancient times, the dominant nation in a region will control the creation of art and thus imposing its values. This has of course been noticed by leaders and used art (and movies in particular) as a form of propaganda. As a non-American (maybe you can tell ) I can see how many of these Hollywood values are percolating into the European society. However, there is more to movies. Entering into a more spiritual approach, there is more to explore. For example, let's talk about scary movies. Some people, I believe mostly women, really like to watch them. It could be a way of facing our fears. Some sort of self-impose meditation. Really sitting there and allowing yourself to experience your fears. And talking about experience your feelings, we can generalize the above. If you went through a break up, you may want to watch a movie about that. If my memory serves me, I think during the lockdown one of the most watched movies on Netflix was about a virus pandemic (can't remember the name now) On the other hand, watching a movie is an identification process. If the movie is good, we will feel identified with one of the main characters. We forget about ourselves and who we are for a while. It is sort of a magical process. Having said all that, I wonder if there is any movie out there so different that we will feel completely disconnected. It should have these characteristics. It happens in a very different place. It happens to a very alien form. They have their own set of values. And they have feelings we don't know. I wonder if there is such a movie or what would be the closest to it. In sci-fi books, there is A Meeting with medusa by Arthur C. Clarke that I reckon it will qualify.

Alien from another planet? If you think you understand the infinite with your finite mind in a linear way, I would say you are wrong. It is not something linear, inside and outside overlap. Within your direct experience is the infinite, here and now it is, but you do not perceive it. and you are within each of the infinite experiences that exist, in infinite dimensions contained in each now. It is the problem of infinity, that its physics is not understandable...for now. Anyway, everything that appears in your experience, a fly, a piece of shit, is infinite, and inside it is the entire reality. A part of the infinity is the total infinity. You are sorrounded by the infinity, everything is the infinity total alive. that is awakening, and not the narrow and sick perspective of: only I exist and I am imagining reality. You do not exist, the infinite is, and it is unfathomable, it is not a you, it is the glory of total existence, in which you pour yourself out and mix when you let the self fall. Unless you prefer to be a miser who keeps it, and thinks everything is his territory

Both are true, kind of. When I realized solipsism last time it was clear that everybody is my imagination BUT what they experience I experience, I'm usually just not aware of that. It's like if you sit on your arm and your hand goes to sleep, you don't feel it anymore but it's still your hand. You're kind of an alien intelligence that plays every human at the same time, but you cut off your awareness from all others, so it feels as if you're only this one. But in reality you're all of them. But still every one of them has a body, an emotional system and so on. Every pain and pleasure they experience you experience as well, but you will realize this only after you die or awaken.

I think humans have been on earth since before Adam and eve . They were just animals and I think Adam and eve were the first genetically modified human by alien

"When I look around me at the things in my world and say, “Everything is alive,” what I’m really saying is that everything is consciousness in a process of evolution. Just as evolutionary biologists look at a human being and say, “Millions of years ago, you were just a single cell swimming in a primeval sea,” so I might look at myself and think, “Millions of years ago, my consciousness was a sofa in an alien’s living room circling Epsilon Beta IV in the Gamma Quadrant!” And who knows what far future David Spangler may be starting his evolution of consciousness as my easy chair right now? This is fanciful, of course, but my main point is not. We all participate in a universe of consciousness that is evolving all the time, from the dimmest flickering of sentiency existing in a dream state that is not even self-aware to the fabulously and unimaginably complex and radiant cosmic Beings whose lives embrace entire galaxies. And what we do affects that evolution, at least in the environment around us. I have encountered subtle beings in the higher-order realms in comparison to whom my consciousness is not much more evolved than the sentiency I find in my sofa. Their response to me is always loving, caring, considerate, and appropriate. They are like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy. The light of my sentiency is like a shadow compared to theirs, yet they tend to it—as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation. This is the true implication of saying that everything is alive. We are each caretakers for the consciousnesses evolving around us, particularly those of lesser complexity and capacity than our own. When it gets down to it, I really am my sofa’s keeper!" David Spangler, Subtle Worlds, An Explorer's Field Notes I thought maybe that is interesting for some. The range of beings, from Sofa to human to beings embracing entire galaxies, towards totally alien realms beyond. And we as humans in the middle. Able to realize and live our True Nature of Infinite Consciousness/Reality itself. Until we do something else next life. Maybe develop towards that Galactic thing? Who knows... And endless wonderful path still ahead. What do we do while here on the planet? Preview being Galactic beings (or Alien beings/realms beyond) in certain psychedelic states this life with boosting consciousness? Or realizing and stabilizing our essence, that which we really are: Absolute Reality, Pure Impersonal Infinite Awareness in nondual Union with all that is arising? The blissfull Empty Infinite Centerless Timeless Nonduality of Awakened Awareness? And going previewing other possible modes of existence from that basis/realization, with or without psychedelics? Or not at all? Or tending our garden, hobbies, enjoying earth? Or both? That I don't know, and the answer is unique for each being. But one thing I do know and have realized, beyond any doubt or possibility of error: Going exploring before having stabilized the realization of True Nature/Enlightenment and access to ones True Impersonal Nondual Infinite Nature (and the blissfull states it brings resting in that can bring) can only mean regular suffering. By definition, like any other separate-self and its projects to ease the suffering. Because where there is not this realization, there is only the self-contraction/duality/separate ego and its cycles of suffering and fear and contraction. Which seeks easing its suffering by having the sublime experiences/states of higher consciousness/realm states, often of psychedelic nature. Having said & written that: Bon voyage on whatever your path may be. Walk it, but don't have the illusion that peaking and previewing divine and higher realms brings the permanent freedom from (psychological) suffering/resistance/contraction that only transcending the self-contraction/ego can bring. Preview it, peak into the bliss of divine higher realms, explore it and try it for as long as necessary, and then realize and stabilize the bliss of ones True Nondual and Pure Impersonal Nature/Being right here, right now, on this earth. Water by the River PS: 2nd thread started ever. Hope nobody is too annoyed by this one.

That can be anything sentient. And since there is only Infinite Consciousness, any Holon/perspective/being, from atom, bacteria, ant, animal, human (individual Holons), Alien, whatever n+1, to large social Holons like a Planetery Consciousness/Gaia, Galaxy or whole Universes/Realms/Lokas/Buddhafields/Dimensions holding the individual holons/beings in their larger being/realm. Up towards other Realms that are so alien/"other" one can not even talk about them because they don't have the correlates of this Realm like space/time/causality and so on (see for example Jac O'Keffee, Stephen Wolinsky, David Spandler, David Buckland). All beings/realms have some kind of sentience/interiortiy/consciousness, and something that makes them individual from the Totality/Infinite Reality, and that "something/manifestation" arises within their perspectives. Ken Wilber has a nice desription of Holons/perspectives/beings (both individual and social Holons) and Holarchy in Sex, Ecology, Spirituality. An Infinite Mind/Consciousness, separates itself into infinite perspectives/Holons/beings that are aware of each other (Indras Net), and play hide & seek & grow back home, in all realms and dimensions possible.

That is on the right path, because to BE the Pure Impersonal Infinite all of these ideas/concepts have to be transcended/seen as moving within IT/Oneself. Then, Reality = God, God = Reality. Reality/God/Infinite manifests/imagines, or just contains a manifested side in it in a nondual way. One understands IT by BEING it. And removing the clouds/lenses/filters of the separate self/I-thoughts/feeling interpreting Awakenings. There is nothing else, nor could be. Only Ones True Nature/Being. Forever. That is the difference between Enlightenment and Awakening, or the Deep Identity Shift after which the separate-self-arisings (I-thoughts, I -feelings, conceptual "Understandings") are seen fully and truly as moving WITHIN the Infinite Reality that one truly is. Afterwards, this Infinite True Being is accessible in daily life sobre. The Illusion-clouds are seen through very fast if one just "re"-intuits the Infinite beyond experience/manifestation/arising. All of these facet-Understandings of God/Reality/Elephant can be generated after Enlightenment easily. Just a view Koans more, if its not already clear with Enlightenment. It is just what one is. But the Deep Identity Shift of truly "getting/realizing" the Impersonal Infinite Always Here Reality, ones True Nature, makes IT accessible afterwards in daily life sobre. That is the difference. The Elephant is realized UNFILTERED/uncoloured, unfiltered by remaining ego-filters/lenses. Pure uncoloured/unfiltered Impersonal Awareness realizes itself and Reality in a truly nondual way. Not just merging/unity with it and later separating again into something separate, but truly becoming it. Not oil mixed with water and shaken and later separated, but ice molten in water. Ice = Illusion-clouds of being separate/ego, Being= ice molten in the water, only water again. Turning the oil into ice and melting it is the process of transcending and letting the illusion-separate-self/ego die/transcend it. Seeing them (fast enough) as objects moving within onself and cutting it off, just to see what happens. If that succeeds, the visual field turns nondual, boundless/limitless (nothing can be apart from it), eternal (always here), and the Deep Identity Shifts from ego to Infinite Totality beyond all experience by BEING it. Enlightenment in other words. Becoming the elephant in Enlightenment, and telling about BEING the elephant, or touching the elephant in Awakenings while not truly becoming It (but Unity/Merging with it) and telling about its trunk/feet/ears as facets of Awakening. For sure then it appears there are always higher Awakenings with higher/more consciousness. I can fully understand how that perspective looks like, and before the big shift there will be no deviating from that. Either the deep identity shift happens, and the separate-self lense/filter/cloud can be fully seen through sobre, or not. Chasing/Grasping the facets/Awakenings prevents dropping/letting-go into the truly impersonal pure Infinite Consciousness/Being. What doesn't happen necessarily/normally in becoming the Elephant/Enlightenment is visiting some far out Astral/Subtle/Alien realms, or detailed mechanisms of manifestation. But that is manifestation/form-stuff, not the Infinite Absolute. But contained by it. Fascinating, fun and even important for sure. What humanity will do until the rest of eternity (more or less). But not as important as truly realizing and being ones True Being, just because the grasping never ends this way. I also liked the posts of Osaid. That is all how it really is and works. Water by the River

Do certain species have a unique intelligence that can't be replicated by other species even if they are way more advanced? Humans the bullshitting animal might be so good at bullshitting that certain inventions only come from humans. With all the alien stuff right now I wondered that if alien existed on planet earth if that's what they are after. They might be way more evolved but our bullshitting behavior might be worth the study because its no unique it gives unique knowledge. Just like we study animal and plant behavior and learn from it even though we are more evolved.

Lol, yeah I getchu. That kind of thing can happen on N,N,DMT as well though. When I’ve smoked it, I perceived myself as some completely different alien being. Not a cartoon wolf, but my sense of self was very altered.

At this point I don't even know what on earth is Leo smoking ...it's worrying. Alien cartoon wolf shemale Buddhist rat. if you don't know what that is you have no clue what consciousness is ?

Is just because my Sun is in Leo and also Thundercats was a cartoon I use to like a lot. Even the sword that gives vision is somehow symbolic to me. Apart from that I created the name without thinking to much. But yes, if I could choose an Alien universe to live it would be one where cats are people and they use swords. Hehe

no, it's a cosmic battle between non-dual rats and alien rats. Let's see if the alien rats have something real to put on the table, we don't want them to become extinct and forgotten, much better if they became an evolutionary step

The next step for evolution from a human is mental. This is to evolve into an alien mentally by seeing you are a psychic alien in a human body

Perhaps what he means is they are so highly developed and evolved and their consciousness is so advanced that it eclipses everything. That is to say, it is so complex to fathom or even grasp even when we are in high states of consciousness that when one connects to them it is so profoundly and unexpectedly perplexingly incomprehensibly and bizarre and their world is so different from anything one could ever experience or imagine that it just blows your mind to the point of insanity. Or he tapped into an alien mind that went insane and he experienced it. In the meantime, you will have to wait until he brings the course out. The funny thing is when I connected to infinite intelligence it was not human nor am I.

That’s the irony of human logic. Alien consciousness is beyond that, so the very notion of understanding, knowing, or experience (again, as a human) flies out the window. It’s so massive, beyond size, that everything becomes alien. Anyway, I’ve only experienced it very briefly once or twice. Maybe I will experience it again, maybe I won’t. I’ll let God decide. I’m currently not alien conscious as I write this reply.

I’ve never done 5-MeO once in my life and I understand what he refers to by alien consciousness. I wish I could give a rational examination, but it’s beyond rational. Let’s not make Leo into a cult leader. That’s against this work.

You said "name a better place". I didn't think "Leo's teachings" was a place. But anyways, I would do the same thing for Leo the person: he is a person with a certain background and experiences, done a lot of spiritual practices, self-help, a shitload of psychedelics, etc.; probably saved a few lives in the process as well. Well, I haven't done a shitload of 5-MeO-DMT, so I don't really know what he means with Alien Consciousness or ultimate God-realization. I can only extrapolate based on my "shitload" of meditation-induced mystical experiences and a few LSD experiences. I could believe that he has experienced some crazy shit, but I don't really know what he has experienced. But from how he talks about it, it seems to mostly agree with basic non-duality, so there is not much to disagree about there.

Agreeing and believing Leo about God is yet another bias. Best to let the Universe give you a instead and let your own direct experience speak for itself. If you’re still needing a logical and definitive explanation for all of THIS, then good luck. You’ll be searching for the next billion years. THIS is right here, right now. I am you, you are me, blah, blah, blah. Yet, some are still awaiting for the next profound Alien Magic extravaganza for Leo to blow us away with.

Ah, yes. Just like the time he skipped seeing a girlfriend for a yoga date and instead shat alien blood on his carpet. Good times!

Agree on what? Not looking for agreement or disagreement necessarily. Those are irrelevant. What you should be doing is listening, paying attention to what a teacher communicates, and from there decide whether you want to study his or her work deeper or not. The validity of a communication stands on its own. I ignore the alien consciousness stuff because I've got no interest in it and have no idea what it is really. The "classic" work is already hard by itself. Neither do I share the claim that psychedelics can produce consciousness/awakening.