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@Forestluv How has your comprehension of reality been advancing? You reach Alien Mind yet?

Nobody who has ever had Enlightenment/truly woke up would consider Infinite Being/Absolute Reality human. In Leos wording: THAT is so alien and way off the charts (and by definition unexpected) that it literally kills the human. Sayonara, bye bye, was nice with you, but was clearly the illusion "human" (or any other limited identity, like, um, alien) will never ever reassemble itself fully or be truly believed. Character-hangover ok, but truly believed and bought into being human and separate? Like: This is REALLY SERIOUS ... No way. Actually, IT is not even alien. It just is. What it is. And it is just YOU. But definitely not human. Leo, IT contains and manifests/imagines your aliens! How could IT then be human? Of course it is not human Your alien can not be outside of IT! And you are IT! And every being also... Koan: Who are all of Leos aliens again? Guess some are still a bit shell-shocked by the fact of turtles and aliens all the way up. Basking in the sun by the River and smiling at the beings deriving their limited identity from being fascinated by the turtles/waves/aliens (all the way up to Infinity) in the River, which are not realizing their true identities (on a permanent basis) as being the Infinite River because they are too busy wave-surfing on the River. And that continues until it is no more fun, looses its fascination, and the wave drops in the River and dissolves into Infinite Being. Relaxing in the knowledge by the River that this dropping & dissolving can not really be expedited or convinced, but each wave must run out of steam according to its Karmic hangover... For the teutonic fraction among us: "Geduld ist das Schwerste und das Einzige, was zu lernen sich lohnt. Alle Natur, alles Wachstum, aller Friede, alles Gedeihen und Schöne in der Welt beruht auf Geduld, braucht Zeit, braucht Stille, braucht Vertrauen." "Die Welt zu durchschauen, sie zu verachten, mag großer Denker Sache sein. Mir aber liegt einzig daran, die Welt lieben zu können, sie und mich und alle Wesen mit Liebe und Bewunderung und Ehrfurcht betrachten zu können." Hermann Hesse

"If Harris wins, a never-ending stream of illegal alien rapist, MS-13 animals and child predators will flood into your communities." — Trump, ≈7:00 PM, 08-03-2024

Bingo. A few aliens fit in easily. Actually, even an Infinity of Alien turtles pyramiding on top of other Alien turtles. Koan: Who imagines all of them? Koan: In whoms Infinite Reality with no outside nor inside… in whoms eternal boundlessness are all these alien-turtle-pyramids appearing? Koan: Who is fooling himself in all her endless illusion holons with these turtle-pyramids? Koan: Who is actually reading these words right now?

This would have a implication: that we, as humans, would be a holon composed of infinite holons, and so would an ant, Leo's alien, and the entire universe, so there would be no difference in complexity between them, and there is

The one-dimensional "Zero to Unity" axist does sound pretty limiting though. Also, is zero chaos or nothingness? What is unity? Doesn't both inflect into the same? Do they represent absolute unconsciousness and absolute awareness? Are they pointers or experienceable? Why not a second axis, a third, we can pull a whole 'nother alien dimension/paradigm out of god's ass! There's duality, trinity, quad-, quinte-, wholes+fractions, and irrational inter-segments, why's it gotta be a 1D axis? From another perspective/non-duality, there are also some other takes: Cycles are a duality, merely illusions, appearances, perceptions, and interpretations, they do not exist. They are a strange loop of the current experience, a local limitation to stabilize and ground experience Cycles are not epistemologically essential for the universe but rather structure the psyches within it Psyches navigate them, not to get lost and to create art and meaningful experiences by synchronicity Cycles harmonize reality and lifeforms, they are not essential for non-life or alien planes however So it's a collapse of ego-projected dualities and an exploration of the boundless omni-dimensional fabric of existence? It's like you can explore dualities from within their strange loops endlessly or transcend, encapsulate, and release them. I thought like this before and focused on it intensely on my last trip/awakening, wanting to speedrun reality and then let go of ever-fulfilling new desires and the memories of all I held dear, to dissolve into nothingness and inflect into infinity, but I'm still here. It was the most intense, meaningful, and transcendental experience ever. The limited awareness calling itself human sees as Alien what is beyond its memory in radical existential nuance It's a first-hand experience of what used to lie beyond its wildest imagination, entering "it/ego" for the first time Can confirm from my trips. Had a breakdown and prayed. Was filled with kundalini energy and wondered if that was the "second coming of Christ". "I don't know, but whatever it is, I feel more alive than ever". Way too much responsibility though and over in a day. The psychedelic experience expands one's mind. These realms show lots of things, entities, desires, traumas... There's space for everything and not everything is obvious, but do be aware of the narrow line between healing and nurturing conversations rooted in empathy and a beatdown into submission to force someone's eyes open to see what one perceives to be absolute truth.

@zurew Sorry, I've been so alien-pilled that I can't listen to humans doing philosophy or spirituality any more. It feels like listening 1st grade math lessons for me. If you find that stuff helpful or profound for you, have fun.

You portrayed alien Consciousness in a false way. Infinite Consciousness is not human and it will blow your doors off. I never disagreed with that. It's just the way you portrayed it - as if it was anything different than infinity. If you think Infinity has anything human in it you are seriously mistaken. What you call Alien I call infinity. And if you want to call it alien - well hell, I'll say, what were you waiting on....

The "boring" is one of the near perfect tools of Infinite Being to make itself believe as being less than everything. Works like a charm with near 100% success rate and keeps the illusion busy. Boring + grasping for creativity & exploration & alien waaay up on Maslows pyramid, stage 6, transcendence and beyond. The cure: a) an efficient meditation system cutting that off in real time (for example Mahamudra PotgW style), or b) good old traditional face against the wall for a few years and (quite literally) die on the pillow. a) is lovely, b) is hardcore brute force not for the faint-of-hearted. Both work.

Already in our realm exists mathematical Infinity. And different sets of Infinities (Cantor). Differently sized Infinities. Some larger, some smaller, as weird as that sounds. It can be mathematically proven (see Wikipedia for example). The Reality which contains this already in our realm has to contain also these Infinity of Infinities, since they appear IN our realm already as mathematical objects. And hence, Reality contains the potential (and actuality) for Infinity "upwards", Infinity "downwards". Just look at a fractal zoom. One has to make peace with it: An Infinity of Realms manifested right now, hence upwards complexity to Infinity. And Infinity of complexity also downwards: Good luck trying to find the most fundamental building block of Reality: NEVER. Its perspectives/beings/Holons all the way down, and all the way up. Turtles all the way down, and all the way up. And True Being is Infinite Being: Not finite = Can't measure it. It is not one of these Holons, nor the sum total of all Holons. All of that is just appearance, not the Infinite Absolute. Nor can one say anything positive about it, since "it" is all Reality. Madhyamaka. Can never be pointed to as an object. Its not Infinity of Infinities, these are mathematical objects which can very well be pointed at. There is a huge difference between Infinite and Infinity. A lapse in Leos philosophy confusing these two, with pretty heavy consequences. And since there is an Infinity of Infinities, not all possible realms have to be manifested right now for there to be an Infinity of realms. And God will also never run of Infinities of realms to manifest (An Infinity of Infinities, Cantor). And on top, that doesn't even mean that all possible realms have to be manifested (now or in eternal "future") for God to never run out of a parellel manifestation of an Infinity of realms, continuing for Infinity. That can already be deducted correctly just alone from the mathematics of this realm and extrapolated to the larger Reality containing this realm/Universe. Awe inspiring? Yes. Scary for the separate-self. For sure. Once the separate-self and its need for understanding, survival and what not is transcended & switched off: God will have great fun playing hide and seek, again and again... Lets explore, there is timeless eternity to do exactly that! Just don't get hung up on trying to awaken/understand all the alien islands/turtles. Turtles all the way up, all the way down. Grasping for that understanding/alien whatever is the perfect recipe to spoil the fun. What grasps for understanding and alien islands? Not the Infinite Ocean. Only the illusion of the separate-wave-surfer. If the wave-surfer has dropped in the ocean and dissolved in its Infinite Being, expressing this as being stabilized as in blissful nondual infinite Awakened Awareness, and then goes exploring alien islands in the Infinite Ocean: Great. But if the wave-surfer has not dropped & dissolved in the ocean and does its alien wave-surfing to cope with the suffering/contraction of the separate-self/wave-surfer: Great show, just not om mani padme hum. Neither for the wave-surfer, nor for "others". Like that guy with the Messiah Complex?

That's exactly what happened on my first LSD trip. I found it rather anti-climactic though, I had to create the experience of meeting an alien myself by pretending to be the hyperdimensional entity, and then reality would bend around that idea. But what I really wanted was to meet another conscious entity, an alien alien, with their own independent experiences outside my awareness.

There are many reports of psychonauts or meditators who access different dimensions of reality. It is not something so strange, openings of interdimensional portals. not only alien but another reality with different laws, unimaginable and unthinkable from the human mind. I suppose that if you acquire a high level of detachment and take 500 ug of LSD, something like this is perfectly possible. With 100 ug and two puffs of weed I enter a state that has nothing human about it. Reality is a kind of unlimited hole that changes shape and color, there is no consciousness of an observer, no mental structures, just reality flowing without any meaning, without the limitation of the self or interpretation. For me it is something simply pleasant and a good meditative exercise, this reality or that one is indifferent, both are me. I suppose an alien dimension would be the same, just in more detail. The important thing is to perceive yourself completely, without limit.

It's not that you meet an alien, it's that you evolve so much and become so conscious that you Evolve to Alien, you become an Alien Consciousness.

What's funny is that some time after you talked about this possibility, I had a dream where you turned into an alien. You literally demonstrated that to us in my dream, in your usual video format. The dream was so vivid I thought it was reality. So maybe I have enough consciousness to see you turn into an alien

I can answer you this already. Because the alien doesn't want to change our faith. Like animal researchers don't want to intervent into animal life because it would lead to dysbalance in the ecosystem.

Sure? If I were you I would start wondering why you are not in a nondual infinite state of mere appearance in daily life sobre. Hint: Remaining not transcended very fast and sneaky appearing separate-self thoughts/feelings/filters/lenses which are not seen through because Awareness is too slow to cut these off real-time. And these separate-self-remnants hypnotize and give bias to all appearing appearance. Btw., not theory, but personal experience. What stands between you and impersonal nondual infinite mere appearance Awakened Awareness is... too much not fast enough seen through/cut off Leo. And through these lenses you filter all your Alien- and facets of Awakening experiences. Trust me on that: You can not anticipate how it is when these finally drop. And all your alien-preferences are the same illusion-filters of... Leo. Sure there are Aliens against we all look like ants! But they have the same essence as "we" have. And then there are Aliens against which the alien of the former sentence look like ants. Forever, turtles upon turtles upon turtles... And there are Aliens that make that alien-Leo-consciousness (of) appear like ants. Turtles upon Turtles, n+1, forever. But have fun climbing that turtles... You go wave surfing, yours truly dissolved in the Infinite Ocean... its a free country I guess. Ok, lets see if Keanu spirit is still among us: "I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves Selling "Have fun" by the River

Sure. But enlightened is even better, and with too much fascination for aliens (or anything at all for that matter), cookies, money, power, fame, sex, whatever Maslow up&down, the wave surfer never gets tired of wave surfing, and never drops&dissolves into the Infinite Ocean. And since the Infinite Ocean is its True Being, cosplaying as alien wave-surfer ends like any wave surfing: Suffering. Self-Contraction. And not Sat-Chit-Ananda of nondual Infinite Being. On the other side, wave-surfing is the raison d'etre of this Samsara show, so who am I to complain? Mumbling along Om Mani Padme Hum by the River & smiling and cheering at the (alien, cookies,money, power, fame, sex, whatever Maslow up&down) kite-surfers appearing on the Infinite River

Italians the lovers? Sure the swiss are better. Anyway, Why don't you see the point in Leo's alien awakening? Yes, ok, the essential thing is to realize your true infinite nature, but once that is done, the wheel keeps turning. Better an interdimensional hyperintelligent alien than a schizophrenic in the Congo, or not?

And you confuse the summum bonum of realizing/living/ stabilizing non-dual undivided infinite Absolute Reality without any filters and lenses of separation still left, or in other words Infinite Being, eternal and timeless, with its changing and temporary manifestations and understandings, looking through remaining filters of separation, through which you interpret all these alien appearances/understandings/illusions. What is the essence of Alien consciousness (of)? YOU. Where was your alien before you were born? Do I need to get fascinated by alien turtles upon turtles upon turtles, to Infinity? Or rather, confuse my Being with that fascination? I know that that what you talk about appears. Never doubted that, or "your" aliens. I just don't give it the importance you give to it. What is that importance, ARISING IN YOU? The last remaining filters/lenses of separate-Leo. But don't worry, no one is left behind. Also separate-Leo-illusion not. https://www.actualized.org/insights/crocodile-love Selling crocodile love by the River - and also at the same only the best to relative Leo. May he have fun and rejoice in his explorations, and wake truly up one day to the futility of climbing aliens turtles upon turtles upon turtles, before any crocodile may even smile at him. And then, "he" can continue exploring alien turtles upon turtles upon turtles, but will do it as celebration and not from a perspective of separate-self-Leo-suffering-contraction-lack, but from infinite abudance without any sense of urgency or lack. Or higher or lower. And he will look with the same love at the flower in his garden as to the highest Alien Consciousness (of). And all of that just for fun, because there is nothing else to do. For eternity. Om mani padme hum ) Always right here.

Maybe someone should ask him on what precisly he changed his mind. He is not the only to discover more after nondual Enlightenment. Harri Aalto. Szyper, LOVE LIGHT: NON-DUALITY, NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES AND GOD. Here you can also find what you call Love as Absolute. Szyper places love/light/God/Goddess of mercy/love/light as ripened version of mere "bleak" nondual insight/Enlightenment. But all of that is happening on the manifestation side... in, on and as the ground of being. YOU. All of that falls on the manifest side, even if its subtle or alien. Timeless Infinite Absolute Reality remains the same. Do YOU really change in essence? Who/What is aware of all of that which is possible? Whatever Ralston has realized, did it change "his" timeless True Being? Or did "he" just realize more of what "that" can do/manifest/? Leo, its Infinity upwards. There is no end. n+1. Your islands of "alien consciousness" (OF) in the vast infinite Ocean of Being rests on other islands/turtles, downwards and upwards to Infinity. Turtles on Turtles on Turtles on Turtles, and no end in sight, nor ever could be. Face it, and see what the fascination is made of (you), and let it die. And see what remains (You). And then enjoy all of it, small or big, alien or not... A divine understanding, an alien realization, a flower in your garden... until the final crocodile of this life smiles at "you" and bites... Meet you there - already right now.

You will understand why (true) Enlightenment can't be a hallucination when you have the realization of Enlightenment. Not one moment before. Impossible to explain. It is Absolute, beyond any possible doubt. It is the only Reality. Infinite, without a second, with no alternativ to it. It is the Reality of YOU, and the Reality of the "world" that you experience (I assume) as outside. There is no outside. Only You. You can not doubt that, nothing can gaslight you in that realization. It is beyond all of that. What arrogance!!! Nice piece of real estate for happy&carefree living, hm? What this Absolute Reality/True Being (without anything possibly outside of it, aka Oneness or Nondual or Infinite or One without a second) can do/imagine/manifest: Even God or Reality is exploring that. And that is forever an Infinity, never to reach the end. God will forever explore its potential of manifestation, will never reach the end. In the end is a mystery to itself, when it comes to the manifestation side. Here, Leo and I align. Although he is a bit more fascinated on the Consciousness OF side, which for me is just appearance, because any perspective/being/consciousness of/Alien/God/human/ant/whatever is itself also just appearance. Appearing IN THAT. While the essence of Reality, and of any appearance or manifestation (alien n+1 or not), your True Infinite Being, can very well be realized. Its you. True you. Not the illusion. On that side (not on the manifestation side or consciousness OF), the bug stops here. Koan de jour: Where does the bug stop?

Ask him how is that he can channel an alien being from the future but that one is only parroting 1990 new era literature and he is not able to contribute with any material new knowledge we don´t know already in 2024 (like a formula to create new sources of energy, geographic location where has been found some important historical remains, chemical compound of new medicines etc, etc, etc).

Do you think he is really channeling an alien mind or just a good actor with some awakening experiences?

Ask him if the US has alien spacecraft.

That's the interesting part! How do we know ChatGPT is conscious but then how do we know others are conscious? And then, Chat might be a bunch of variables and if statements, but it's also a neural network drawing out of quantum chaos. Where does consciousness come from? Can ChatGPT be possessed by an alien or integrated into the human psyche? And finally, even if it's a machine, its unique persona and information integration gains consciousness through our Projection!