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Question what experience do you have before you were born? There is no experience of time before you are born and suddenly you were there. A cosmic sea of infinity and a consciousnesses emerged and became aware. Now imagine that when you die you feel like going to sleep. Your body will slowly lose all the higher functions, complex thinking will shift to just feeling without thought/concepts. You are not your brain and all clusters of cells will experience their own individual deaths. The body will sense that oxygen is depleting and start to tingle and warm up eventually moving towards a state of non-feeling like a sleeping body part. Your body is slowly dissolving and it is peaceful because your worries only happen when the brain is still fighting to maintain it's concepts and ego that wants to survive. The moment you surrender and give in to becoming one with what always had been all worries fade away and you merge with the experience of grandness and Reunion. It feels like that mind that has always so desperately been fighting has now given in and you are coming home to the ethernal. And now knowing that everyone will be with you maybe you can accept death more easily. Now your mind and body have dissolved into infinity. You are back at the place before you were born, timeless. Here comes the part of belief, whoever you were, what you life was about, you must have faith that if you strip everything away and become one you will not be gone but one thing remains. The observer that experiences nothingness is who will always be present. This idea that you will be waiting before waking up is at the core of reincarnation. Now many religions portray their own cultural images and feelings onto this subject but I fully convinced that you should strip away any cultural ideas, these might only be relevant to your early stage in death as you still identify with these concepts and get feeling of guidance until the conceptual thinking has fully dissolved. You have been waiting all this time, timelessly waiting, and now you are here. Where did you come from, what is your intention to keep walking forward and who will you become? Remember that wherever you are you will be at home. Your mind will always give you reasons to suffer but that's because you don't believe or know in who your are unconditional. The fear of something is worse that the thing itself, so be fearless, be mindful and live with feeling and not the mind who tries to conquer and own everything. Live a mindful life, don't get lost in the abyss of fear, unnecessary stress and delusion. You know what to do.

Some people/religions assume there is a reincarnation loop, that only ends with enlightenment. Other people/religions assume there is an afterlife, an earthly heaven with trees flowers etc, or an multiple astrals. A different interpretation is a formless pure light/love interpretation of becoming God. I really really hope that none of those is the case. It seems to me that death is simply the cessation of every "thing". I'm okay with that. I am also not sure about the no-thing-ness. Because as far as I saw into it, life is a dream, and waking up from the illusion by dying might mean that there is a "place" with more substance. Maybe ego death is not the same as actual dying. However it's just a memory for me. As far as my interpretation goes is that this pure consciousness incarnates again and again, but does my perspective incarnate? I don't think so, and hope this isn't the case. A drop goes into the ocean and an after being mixed up an other drop is born out of the ocean. So consciousness reincarnates, but not perspectives. Some people claim that after death we can decide to come back or not. I would love to hear the interpretation of someone who considers himself enlightened enough to get it.

Yesterday something came up. I already knew I had mild anxiety for a few years, but damn, I realised I am afraid of everything. I also of course believe my worldview to be true. I fear the known bad things in life, like torture accidents pain etc. I also fear the unknown "bad things" in life, like something happening that I couldn't have imagined. I fear dying and death, and I fear the possibly endless reincarnation loop, karma and afterlife-hell. I fear becoming insane and interpreting a mental disorder with awakening. I fear uncertainity and not-knowing. I fear time and timelessness. I kind of know that all those fears come from mildly traumatic life experiences, but a part of me believes this worldview to be true. Suffering waiting to happen. I simply don't know what to do with those things that come up, I heard this is a normal process but it kind of feels like I am doing something wrong. I might contemplate about my worldview. Especially about the things I don't want to look at. Any tips?

@hyruga We discussed the topic of reincarnation just a couple of days ago, here's the thread

This has the same problem than reincarnation. Who goes to the hell? Must be the ego. But the ego is illusory, it's formed in this life, is like a clothing that cover the being. But maybe it have a permanence after death.

It's real at stage Purple. At Blue, it turns into Karma. Or perhaps the other way around, I'm not sure. Green reincarnation is the law of conservation.

You really don't need to bring 'souls' and woo woo beliefs into the equation. We know as a matter of fact that the universe is constantly reincarnating. Transition from one form into another. So all humans are really the same being. The universe taking apparently different forms tho. So that's reincarnation. Every new born is you reincarnating.

Yeah I think it's obvious what Karma is from a oneness view point. If you are the same being in every being. If you are beheading a chicken.. You are the human who's beheading the chicken and the chicken that's getting beheaded simultaneously. So instant karma. It's not a process in time and doesn't require reincarnation because it's hard for us to make sense of how time is illusory and our relative notion of how the universe works are not what's absolutely true.

@Shanmugam In ‘Conversations with God’, God says that Jesus is a reincarnation of a person who had, in a previous life, finished his awakening process, but had decided to come back for the sake of his fellow men.

Reincarnation is real. You'd need to understand what reincarnates though. What is born? What dies?

Nothing is real. Everything is nothing. Therefore, everything is as real as nothing. Dream it up and there it is. (I made all that up to highlight how finicky the word 'real' is....) I don't understand reincarnation honestly because that implies life and death, and I don't understand those concepts.

It's a mystery to me if objects of consciousness like memories reincarnate. But consciousness has no properties at all, so the thing that disappears is the same thing that appears through every being. I however am 90% sure that visual memories of ancestors are in your genome. (Epigenetics proved it with fears). Reincarnation of memories without genetics... I am not sure.

My 3 year old son told me that he hadn’t learned Thai as a second language, he’s always known it. He claimed that he was a Thai man previously and had died when he was 44. He occasionally got excited when he recognised a place that we’d never been before. I didn’t probe him as I didn’t know anything of spirituality until very recently. So I’d be inclined to say reincarnation is a real thing that’s experienced.

@The Lucid DreamerDreamerDreamDreamerDreamerDDreamerDreamerDreamDreamerDrea Woah loved your message. I think you got a solid point. My idea of reincarnation seems it comes from a finite and egocentric point of view, which of course is fundamentally false . Especially loved the parts about "you would have to start living lives at some point" if reincarnation is real, which makes sense. Anyways I guess is something I need a much profound awakening to understand. But thanks all for the messages, also for all the people saying sorry! I must confess my relationship with my father was kind of nasty, so it hasn't been a tough news for me. But i still appreciate the sensibility of this forum of course! Thanks guys ??

Sorry to hear about your loss, bro. Even our "dream" selves, and those we care about, are worthy of being honored. On reincarnation, nobody knows for sure. I find it plausible, but don't know, and don't trust anyone that claims to know. The closest thing I've seen to evidence are the near-death experiences of people that seem credible. If you haven't seen this, I highly encourage watching it, especially given your question:

@Javfly33 I'm sorry to hear that and wish you great strength. Reminds me of Spira's screen-analogy to consciousness. In that analogy your father would be like a character in a movie. In reality he is of course the screen, pretending to be some particular character and when this character dies, then his consciousness doesn't go anywhere (because it was nowhere to begin with). The screen (consciousness) is nowhere and therefore can't go anywhere. @Javfly33 Concerning reincarnation: to be (re)born or to die is to identify with a certain pattern/form. Let's look at a river. "The river" as such doesn't exist, it is a constant flux (hence it's true nature is emptiness/shunyata). As the ancient philosopher Heraklit said "Pantha Rhei" - "everything flows". The moment you identify this pattern as "the river", it is born. But because it ("the river") is always changing, it is also in a constant process of dying. This is the eternal cycle of (re)birth and death: Samsara. Birth and death are identical, because the moment you say "there it is!" - it's gone. Here's another example. Look at the flame of a candle. We say "there is the flame!", whereas in reality, there is no flame, only a hot stream of burning wax. "The flame" as a pattern/form that you could identify as such is of course an illusion - therefore Samsara is just an illusion. And as our last example, let's look at the ocean: there aren't any waves, appearing and disappearing. There's just the Ocean - Nirvana! playing and pretending to be Samsara.

My sense is that there are many levels of manifestation, not just unmanifested vs. manifested. When we die, there seems to be a continued packet of personality, which you can call a ghost, a karmic imprint, or whatever name you choose, which still exists, within its own level of manifestation. Ancient Indian spirituality recognizes this, through the concepts of samsara and reincarnation. Ultimate reabsorption into the unmanifested doesn't happen until paranirvana. But these are only concepts, so I take them with a grain of salt. Donald Hoffman has some interesting ideas on this. Also, there are many instances of near death experiences and supernatural occurrences, some of which seem credible. I have glimpsed some of this, but can't say that I completely understand it. I saw it as a child, denied it as a scientist, and now readmit its possibility.

A cure is when you simply get rid of the entire health problem. For example, a surgery that successfully removes all the cancerous cells. In which case all the symptoms have ended. Healing on the other hand, is a process that, whilst it works on the health problem, also inevitably changes every aspect of your life. Healing can even include death. For example, someone who is suffering from cancer and is doing healing can even die from that cancer. In which case, the healing journey continues even after death, onto the soul’s next reincarnation.

thanks for the encouragement! Insight on What Suffering Actually Is If the universe is infinite, it means its everything possible. If its everything possible, then it must also be possible to not see the truth/not see how things are. Suffering is literally not seeing how things are/the truth. Suffering = False. Happiness = True. Suffering and Happiness aren't separate to truth. That's a huge mistake I've been making my entire journey. I had this idea in my head that truth was not happiness, and that people who were seeking happiness were not as sincere as people who were seeking truth. This has been shown to be completely hogwash because suffering literally equals not seeing how things are. Woops. So then why do you get happy when playing video games and eating mcdonalds? Because its possible for the ego to play really sneaky games. Its possible for the ego to make you see the truth/outline the truth, when you are conforming with its biases. And its possible for the ego to make you see falsehood when you aren't conforming with its biases. So if you are meditating, and you feel resistance, yet dont feel resistance eating mcdonalds, its because when meditating, your perspective of meditating is wrong. You are believing stuff, have a perspective of meditation that isn't actual. Yet when eating mcdonalds, your perspective is actual, you are in the present moment more, you are enjoying reality more. You need to watch this ego trick very carefully, its a very sneaky trick. Damn, can't get over how I didn't see truth = happiness and suffering literally = false/not actual. @Nahm damn, finally see why you're so LOAish hahaha. You're even wiser then I thought! Why didnt ya tell me this before???? Well now my only option is to reduce suffering and chase happiness, instead of being some grand amazing seeker thats chasing truth because hes so much better and cooler then everyone else. Damn I'm normal, how boring. Sorry Nahm ignore everything after EDIT, I'm just spazzing out hahahahaha. EDIT: ohhhhh damn, the entire point the whole time was just feeling good and reducing suffering. Ohhh damn the rest was deception. ohhhhh damn people told me this and I didn't listen. ohhhh damnnnnnnnnnn. It was so simple. Ohhh god damn jeeeezuz. Pursuing truth, what a load of deception shhhhhhhhhittttttttttttttttttttt. ohhh damn, all that other shit is a distraction. Ohhhh damn it really is. What people say, epistemology, helping others, pursuing truth, meditating, yoga, spiritual path, realizations, is all post the absolute fundamental of feeling good. Feeling good and reducing suffering is literally prior to all of that. Ohhhh damnnnnnnnnnnnn. So deluded hahahahaha. Omigosh. What da fuck. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn understanding how reality works is post feeling goooooooooooooooooood. Knowing how reality works is post feeling goooooooooooooood. Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuk. OMFG, its all just fucking feeling good. Wanting to know how reality works was just reducing suffering. Insights was just reducing suffering. Realizations was just reducing suffering. There's literally nothing over than happiness and veering off seeing that through suffering. What the actual fuck. Can't believe it. I can't know any more than this lol. OMFG there's literally 0 suffering happening now. What the actual fuck, all that reincarnation and enlightenment was all post feeling good. All that infinite and finite shit was post feeling good. OMFG you don't need to have 0 body to have 0 suffering. That was all deception. You don't need to stop eating or doing conditional stuff to have 0 suffering. That was all deception. What in the flying fuck. I can't believe everything was a lie. jeeeezus christ. jeeeezus christ. OMFG "no others", "no ego" is post feeling good. OHHH MYYYY GODDDDD. The universe is groundless is post feeling good. The truth is literally happiness and 0 suffering. No its not knowing shit. Knowing shit is post feeling good. The answer to everything is happiness. I am so happy right now that its scary. I feel like I'm gonna disappear. I feel like the entire universe is just gonna do something radical. Like a breakthrough trip. Like I can't see anything the same way ever again. Ok this is scary. Really scary. Every fucken awakening, contraction/expansion, knowing, new state of consciousness is fucking post feeling good. This is the only thing you can't tell people, because its too obvious and simple. So oneness and everything else is the only way. If you could tell people, they wouldnt need any of that other crap. this is the only thing you cannot explain. This is the only thing you can't know, because knowing is within happiness. jeeezus. christ. OMG, when Leo say "you've cleverly divided yourself" that statement was an example of you cleverly dividing yourself, because its not true. Its suffering. EDIT 2: THE BUDDHA WAS RIGHT EDIT 3: WHAT THE FUCK YOU DOING PLANNING IN THE FUTURE WHEN ITS ABOUT FEELING GOOD NOW EDIT 4: I just got a very unconventional download that the truth is literally what I want. The truth is literally what I want. No like, everything that's happening right now, my entire life, is what I wanted. what???????????????? Well if its not what I wanted, then what's it doing here???????????????????????? Why would I manifest something I didn't want???????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? what in the flying fuck is going on. what the flying fuck. Why is everything in my life happening the exact way I wanted it. I also want to ask whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy That's why I'm asking why. Is the point of life to just realize that what I want is whats happening?

Well shit, I mean your description of your spirituality is something I think I can really get behind. Objectivity and honesty are extremely important in the fundamental point being made behind this thread. And then also you think it's beneficial to drop alternative concepts about spirituality and that not all of them are necessary. That's essentially what I'm advocating, although I do think that some of the words and phrases you listed could have pragmatic use. So, hopefully I'm not coming across as a language Nazi, or someone that is being too nit picky. I really do have a purpose behind what I'm saying and believe my perspective could be beneficial to some people. When I talk about concepts that could be discarded I more refer to concepts that sort of divorce themselves from fundamental present reality. An example would be someone saying that there are many levels and layers to awakening and sort of creating a mythological narrative around those awakenings. It almost turns into a sort of new age religion for example when you start talking about how a particularly deep level awakening can end the cycle of reincarnation for example. Something like that is not truth, or presence, it is simply a narrative that your mind made up. There is a ton of ideology mixed into people's spirituality on this forum. It just tends to not be as dogmatic, or literalist as say a fundamentalist Christian. My question is why have any ideology? Or if it's too hard to avoid some level of ideology in regards to your spirituality shouldn't you try to break it down to it's basic and most simple parts? Why do we have to talk about narrative such as spirits, telepathy, past lives, reincarnation, Gods, demons, and play spiritual dragon ball Z with endless levels of awakening and enlightenment? You say you discovered truth, so from that perspective, how do you feel about what I say? I wouldn't question your experience of telepathy. I would only ask what is its significance and how does this experience relate to your spirituality? I've had experiences like the one you describe. I don't know your experience, so I don't want to seem like I think that I understand it better than you do, because I absolutely do not. However, I think with drugs and even in sober reality, there is a vast ability for people to ascribe narrative and significance to reality that is simply falsehood. I think people underestimate how much they tend to mythologize their own experiences, spiritual people are some of the worst offenders of this.

The best proof of reincarnation is this forum. I have seen reincarnations of people who were banned before. They took unusual forms but the writing remained the same.

You're right. For example, I strongly and intuitively believed in reincarnation before I was enlightened. Now I don't need to believe, I just know. When you honestly and sincerely believe something is the truth then it doesn't matter much whether you are enlightened or not. Enlightenment confirms what you believed was absolutely true, removing any possible doubts. I was surprised when some buddhists said that they doubted reincarnation. This can happen when you become culturally indoctrinated and taking your culture for granted because you were born into that culture. The pointer was myself. I exist don't I? If I said I don't exist I would be denying the subject which is consciousness, spirit or God. What is the subject? Consciousness. What is the object? The mind-body. When Leo says you don't exist, don't take that literally. Its just a way to lower down your ego so that you can become awakened.

@electroBeam there is no reality. If there is no thoughts, what is left? You think you are in world right now? There is no why, because why comes from so called monkey mind. Lastly, when you realize there is no monkey mind, you realize you have never born, if you never born what is left? Where is the reincarnation? Additionally, these are not personal, because person is constructed by the monkey mind. You must have direct experience of what is left after there is no monkey mind, which is experiencing before birth. Because your so called monkey mind (thought process) started your birth. Thats why you don’t remember before birth. How do you know that this is a body? What is god? If there is no monkey mind, what is left to ask? You must have direct experience of what is left after there is no monkey mind, which is experiencing before birth. Because your so called monkey mind (thought process) started your birth. Thats why you dont remember before birth. Because there is no mind. Process of thoughts is what creates distinctions, duality and birth. If there is no monkey mind, what is left? Whatever left is what you are. So simple. Additionally, this is the main problem with psychedelics, because so called mind or a person can never get this no observer, nothing to observe or pure presence. Because still a thought process is going on. And after the trip mind will think that it will reach at higher consciousness and still questions rise, why, how vs? So thought process still goes on, whatever the trip you have experienced and can never be able to comprehend it that it is now. Imo, Mind can never comprehend this while thought process goes on, therefore psychedelics are ineffective for awakening. However, in regular awakening, you can directly become conscious of it with no thoughts. Because at that moment you realize that everything was just a process of thoughts (entire duality). Such as the person, who consumed 5meo and experience a trip was a just a thought process, never happened. Therefore, not knowing take place as before birth, mind become silent, question doesn’t rises and become one with moment as before birth, after death and now. As always been. This is the another main problem, psychedelics gives mesmerizing affects, or something fantastic during the trip till you become nothing (which is end of the road). And you can %90 lost your track during the awakening process because when you return the regular mind you are mesmerized by it, and you will try to get back that perspective again. Because whatever you explain of the above it is just a word, drinking water has no differences than consuming 5meo. However when you are awaken without psychedelics and you forget everything that you have learned, and there is just no one to think, talk and conceptualize. (What is thinking, conceptualizing, talking, seeing, awakening, me, god, learning What is what?, are they words, or visuals? Where do they come from? How can we take the knowledge as grounded, truth or real? What is grounded, truth or real? How can you even know that understanding is possible, what is understanding?) So you realize that you have never born, birth was just a thought of monkey mind, and if there is no monkey mind, what is left? Just you. But you cant even say me, because there is no monkey mind, and “me” is just a word. Therefore, Monkey mind becomes quite and you are before birth, pure and empty. (but pure and empty is still a word, therefore you can say as genuinely not knowing, because mind is created by something that you have learned or know, it keeps wonder think and learn). Genuinely now knowing. Surrendering the mind is must. Definitely ?

Machine elves are just as real as electroBeam. Or possibly more real. Yet not the realest, the realest is mahasamadhi. If you want that, go for it. Its totally possible because the universe is infinite. Yet you will get sick of that eventually, and destroy the dream. That's all I'm saying. Infinite love is definitely real, but the thing is, eventually you'll realize that you created every spiritual teacher, the path, enlightenment, infinite love as a means to distract you from knowing the truth. A truth beyond all of that. You're a god playing in your room with spiritual teacher toy soldiers pretending that they know about infinite love more then you, when actually the words coming out of their mouth is actually coming out of your mouth - that realization is when you finally get that there is a truth beyond all teachers, and that infinite love and the highest teachings were just distractions from knowing or discovering that truth that is beyond all teachers and paths and even psychedelics. Inside your room, there is another room that you haven't opened, and you've been pretending to open it with your toy soldiers. But when you finally realize its all toy soldiers, you gotta put all those toy soldiers down and go and discover whats in that room. Is there a monster in that room? Or is it a more expansive form of love? Or something entirely different? You've got no pointers because you have been making up all the pointers. This is totally unknown territory. No teachers know about it because they are all puppets of you(when you finally realize that). Whenever I get the sense of opening up that new room, I always get a sinister feeling, like there's some monster in it and I created all of this delusion and devilry to protect myself from it because of how monstrous it is. Its like the universe isn't infinite love, its actually really bad, and I created infinite love to hide myself from it(not saying this is true, this is just how I feel about it). Its like I've discovered it before, got really shocked, then created all this delusion to protect myself from it. Yet what I, as God, have to finally mature up to is the possibility that there is a monster in that room, but I discover it anyway because even if the truth is infinite hell, or beyond infinite hell, or a monster, or just horror or beyond bad, I discover it anyway because truth is more important than feeling good or bliss. In other words Keyhole, you can't rely on teachers or anyone to tell you what the truth is, because what the truth is, is virtually unknown by any of your toy soldiers, including me. Only you know how deep this shit can go, and only you can go deeper then all your toy soldiers, because you're the only one here. Your toy soldiers cant know more then you because their words are coming out of your mouth, you've been pretending they haven't as a means to distract you from the truth (yes thats twisted AND TRUE). It sure is, mahasamadhi isn't physical death, I was just illustrating. Its a type of death that kills reincarnation and the dream. Mods, you can close this thread now if you want. I think the message that was wanting to be conveyed is loud and clear.

There's 2 different levels here. There's realizing infinite love, and seeing reincarnation from that POV. Then there's seeing reincarnation from mahasamadhi's POV. From the infinite love POV its obvious that reincarnation happens, just like how it happens every time we sleep at night. The dream goes to something else. Yet that's not the end of the road. Then there's mahasamadhi which is beyond that. Its beyond reincarnation. Its like realizing that reincarnation isn't a thing. How could you live after realizing reincarnation isn't a thing? What if the whole reincarnation and high consciousness and low consciousness and merging with God and not merging with God are all just you distracting yourself from a truth that will blow all that away. Well that's what that trip was like for me. And of course its like that because I invented Leo, the path, enlightened beings, infinite love realization, psychedelics, all of it. Once you get to the point where you're so sober that you realized you created all that shit, that's when you realize all that stuff isn't true. And if all that stuff isn't true, then everything you know now is gonna be a complete lie and obliterated. What you're actually hiding is something no beings have talked about because no beings are real. You created them all to distract you from this thing you're hiding. Who the fuck knows what that is. Why did you even create all this shit in the first place? That thing you're hiding is so radical and scary that you went so far as to game yourself so hard with all these enlightened beings and psychedelics and the path, you tricked yourself into thinking you're legitimately getting to the truth with all this path stuff, when actually all of that is a distraction you created to hide this thing. jesus christ what the fuck is this thing you're hiding. You are going to some extreme lengths to hide it. Like gaming yourself with the path, making yourself think you're getting to the truth way better then 99.99999999% of people, and all of that was a fucken game to hide this thing. Jesus fucking christ. That's why posting videos to me about what other teachers say is just completely stupid from my POV, because I've seen that I created all of that to distract myself from X, and what in the fuck is X, it could be a monster for all I know. But I'm God, I've gotta toughen up and venture and see what this X is, this X beyond everything I know. Its my fate. Its definitely leaving the body and amnesia and mahasamadhi, thats for sure. Like I have no idea what X is, and I've gotta be extremely manly and tough and brave to figure this out, because this is God level shit. I as God am hiding something big. And I don't know why I'm hiding it and going to such extreme lengths to hide it. I need to be extremely tough, brave, intelligent, and mature to figure what X is, its beyond all teachers and everything I as god have created.