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The problem with reincarnation is the term incarnation, which falls under the materialist mindset that consciousness resides in the body. (Incarnation literally means "embodied in flesh.") The truth of course is that the body resides in consciousness - not consciousness residing in the body. So if incarnation is not accurate, then re-incarnation is also not accurate. On the other hand, first-person consciousness has no opposite, so death (as state) is perfectly impossible. Therefore there has to be some sort of eternal continuation of consciousness, which is likely to involve fluctuations of state.

Yes but spiritual masters of no duality like ramana maharshi or shadguru talk about reincarnation. I'd like to know what is the theory because non duality and reincarnation seems no compatible

As per my understanding and being around a lot of Hindus, I can tell that the only purpose why reincarnation in the literal sense was propagated was to make people believe that they will pay for their crimes in their next life so that people have some kind of fear and hence order prevails in the society. The true meaning of reincarnation is simply that what we collectively do today affects the world tomorrow.

Reincarnation, or resurrection? As an aside, though related to flesh.. CORONAVIRUS CARNIVOROUS An interesting coincidence!

It's weird to hear people talk about Leo as a new age teacher. Most of his latest stuff is yellow, turqouise, some green. But he has none of those new age vibes like talking about reincarnation, chakras, reiki, crystals.

I have a memory of Christopher Titmuss saying (on the subject of life after death) "who lives, who dies?" meaning that the best way to find out what's going to happen to us in the future, is to find out who we are now. Until I fully bottom that out, I'm just speculating and theorising. Maybe we only find out the truth about reincarnation when we're fully enlightened and (if you believe the Eastern religions) don't need to do it any more, ha ha!

But who reincarnate? There is an infinite being, itsnt it? Well, who knows but in an awakening experience looks quite sure. And we are shapes limiting that infinite and no more, we are like concepts, filters, points of wievs. So when that "I" get finished, it's done, no reincarnation, it was only a shape, an illusion that it's going to be dissolved in the infinity. But why shadguru and mostly of spiritual masters talk about reincarnation?

There is belief in reincarnation in eastern religious philosophies of Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism and Taoism. This is also an esoteric belief in some streams of Judaism, in Druid religion of the Gauls, in ancient greek philosophy as well, and some sects of sufism. Reincarnation is also an intrinsic part of some northern Native American and Inuit traditions. The research and books of well-established psychiatrists Dr.Brian Weiss, Dr. Michael Newton, Dr.Ian Stevenson citing case studies of reincarnation have given enough evidence that reincarnation is not a mere Oriental theory but may have its foundations in fact. Here are two articles dealing with past life remembrance... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html https://www.reincarnationresearch.com/japanese-soldier-reincarnates-as-a-woman-lesbian/

If there is no reincarnation why Buddhist spend their whole life mediating? Why not enjoy human ego?

Its an interesting topic. I have people close to me who are more 'spiritually tuned' than I am who have had visions of 'past lives' that more highlighted lessons they've needed to learn in more than one lifetime. I would say there is something to the idea of reincarnation for growth and raising consciousness.

Its mind bugging to think about it lol If reality is infinite, doesn't that mean that literally anything is possible? And if so, wouldn't there be a universe (with lower case U) where for example a tyrannical mythological god truly exists and he is eternal and all powerful and maybe he has a version of hell that exist physically, and if people don't follow his commands he will make them suffer for eternity after they die or whatever... That sounds crazy and scary tbh , also is reincarnation something possible? And if we will keep reincarnating forever, mustn't that include a possibility where we will inevitably reincarnate in such a universe where we would experience eternal suffering that never ends? Is that even possible, to reincarnate in a form that is eternal? I can't find an answer to this anywhere I hope Leo can answer this mind bugging question.

Yes, from my pov there is the illusion of having free will and actually have free will. I think that reincarnation happens when there's the illusion of something separate controlling you/your dream. But once you break the code, you should have infinite free will instead of identifying with the finite lifeform or dream character. Every moment is infinity anyway so evolution doesn't actually need shape-shifting to infinity. Only form identifying with form goes through each number which is nothing but a misinterpretation of the reflection of the true Self... like in the story of Narcissus.

The human ego is also a belief. I was talking about the eternal Self. The ego' story is that death is final and this is just a ride into nothingness. Have you ever experienced death to know that you won't come back to life in another form? We forget many things in this life, so the reincarnation theory seems plausible to me. Yes, it is one of the explanations and you can call it a belief but it is better than "death is the end".

You're assuming I was referring to you. I wasn't. On what you actually did say, I was referring to this: Reincarnation is a belief.

There was a new Your Mate Tom with a crackpot guy talking about God and Jesus and whatnot, they made multiple digs are Leo, which came off as very childish and irrational. Why can't these people see the truth of non-duality It's right in front of them but they continue to be completely wrapped in their thoughts. They also claim to not be new-agey but they're talking about Astral Realms, Reincarnation and Spirit Realms. These childish beliefs make me disheartened at the path so many people are going down.

Might of took that comment in the opposite way it was intended, and so it seems like a contradiction. There would not be a ‘why’ prior to a ‘reincarnation’. ‘Why’ is a thought. If & when you do contemplate reincarnation, leave electro beam out of it. Electro beam thinks why electro beam & somebody else. (No offense ) If meditation is the answer...meditation is the answer. Meditation is the self which makes up all kinds of dualistic stories apparently, but there are none in meditation, or we could say they are all in meditation, as the infinite potential of any possible story. The ‘bullshit’ could not possibly be more crystal clear. It is the only ‘thing’ which is clear in the place. Contextualize the shit outta it, if you like. Which you don’t like. Which is precisely it’s clarity. How won’t come from the thinking, nor ‘other people concepts’ (which is your concept - if it is) but from the source of “thinking”. Another great contemplation imo, if interested, what if everything you’re hearing is fundamentally, wrong? (As not to be confused with intentionally wrong) How, would you even know.

(OBEs: Out of Body Experiences include: LDs: Lucid Dreams, APs: Astral Projections and STs: Soul Travels) I bet I've listed some you haven't heard of: Psychedelics: You can materialize and take 5-Me0-DMT in lucid dreams and become enlightened or take sth like N,N DMT and have a fun trip. Meet ups: If you are advanced, you can go into other people's dreams or meet other travelers in dreams, APs and STs It is possible to induce full OBEs in less than 10 seconds. If you are able to go into the hypnotic Esdaile State and anchor it, you can enter it in a few seconds, and if you know what you're doing, you can relatively easiliy induce OBEs from there. For example Marco Lorenz can do that. It is possible to pull someone out of their physical body while they are sleeping. Marco Lorenz and Jonathan Dilas used to this with the participans of their seminars (I believe Jonathan is still doing it). During the night they would pull them out of their physical bodies, then astral travel together, and on the next morning share their experience and notice a huge overlap. You can talk with your guiding spirits, real aliens, deceased people, spirits,... Splitting your consciousness: You can split your consciousness in LDs and APs (and probably STs as well), thus be able to inhabit many independent bodies having independent experiences at once. This allows things like inhabiting a male and female body and then having sex with yourself. And most importantly, it allows you to experience far more in the same time. If you have an OBE for 5 minutes and inhabit 5 bodies, you experience 25 minutes Time Dilation: - In LDs: You can deliberately dilate time in dreams and thus experience for example 1 hour of dream-time in 5 minutes of Earth-time. It is possible but very difficult. - In APs: Time is relative. You can for example project to a place where 1h Earth-time equals 5min or 5h. For example Marco Lorenz once projected to a paralel reality and stayed there for 6 months while only 8 hours passed in Earth-time. (video is in german) Here I wrote in more detail about splitting consciousness and time dilation: OBEs during the whole night. Usually when someone has an OBE it is during the day or when you are in REM sleep. So you usually have alpha or theta brain waves. It is generally believed that you can't have OBEs during SWS (Slow Wave Sleep / deep sleep, when you have delta brain waves, 0.5-4hz). I'm not 100% sure yet but I believe OBEs are also possible during SWS, here are my reasons: I have heard several people say/write that it is possible and that they have done it Tibetan monks are able to stay aware during the whole night, including SWS. They (including the Dalai Lama) are aware of Awareness, thus a nondual state. So if they can be aware of Awareness then it should also be able to project onto a plane with a body. Soul Travles (STs) are said to happen when your brainwaves are in 0-0.5hz, that is even lower than what happens during deep sleep. So it's not only that it seems that OBEs are possible during low brainwaves, but that certain OBEs, STs are only possible with very low brainwaves. That means you should be able to project the whole night, 8 hours each day, that makes 29 200 hours after 10 years. 99.999% of people waste that time. Extra Time: If we combine the last 3 points: Splitting consciousness + time dilation + OBEs during the whole night we get an incredible amount of time which can be used for all sorts of things. Soul Travel: I don't know much about it but it is said to be far more epic than astral travel You can explore our actual physical universe and the past. This for example allows you to check in your direct experience which conspiracy theories are true and which are false. But you would need to be extremely careful, because it is very easy to see something which is not actually there but created or distorted by you. So you would need to be very advanced and do a lot of cross referencing of what other advanced OBEers report. Future. You can view probable future scenarios of earth. And you can see how different timelines of your life would develop depending on what choices you make. So for example you can preview the most likely scenario of what will happen in a week or in 10 years if you now choose job A versus job B. Explore paralell Realities Explore all of Creation. You are God so you should be able to explore all of Creation, be it past present or future. Escape the Matrix: All advanced OBEers I studied say similiar things about that topic. Their investigations made them come to the conclusion that we live in a kinda simulation, a matrix. The Matrix includes many astral planes, so after death, you are still within the Matrix. First you go through a tunnel and a white light, then you meet deceased people and some Guides, then after a while you get an amnesia shot and then are sent back to earth. That's the reincarnation cycle. Aliens created the matrix so that souls can have a certain experience, like being human. (There are obviously many many more Matrixes). All advanved OBE practioners I looked into (John Kreiter, Don Juan, Carlos Castenada, David McCready, Jonathan Dilas, Marco Lorenz,...) agree that this is the case, even scientists and people like Elon Musk believe we live in a simulation. Now, the matrix was actually a good thing because it allows souls to have a particular experience, but many researchers believe (including the OBEers John Kreiter, Don Juan, Carlos Castenada and Jonathan Dilas) that it was hijacked by malevolent aliens a couple of thousand years ago. If you know what they have planned for the upcoming years, it might be worth considering to leave the matrix. There are several possibilites: Don't fall for the Light Trap. Instead of going into the light after death, you search for a hole (which looks black) in the artifically set up grid and escape through it. OBEing allows you to verify for yourself whether this is true and it will probably be easier to escape if you are an OBEer, but it is definitely not necessary You create a double body while still alive and make it more and more solid (through having OBEs with it) till you can transfer your whole consciousness to it and then just leave your physical body behind for good and then try to escape the Matrix. Read John Kreiters books: The magnum opus and the way of the projectionist. Dissociation. Jonathan Dilas talks about that as another option. (you can google-translate his blog: Matrixblogger.de) Become enlightened. Religions tell us that you break the reincarnation cycle by becoming enlightened. It is believed that the soul will continue experiencing, it will upgrade to a different plane. The question is whether this plane is within or outside the matrix. Acashic Records. You will have access to the acashic records, thus to all knowledge become enlightened. Tibetan monks use dream yoga (LDs) to become enlightened Inhabit and control another real body. You can temporarily go inside someone else's body and live in it, as if it were your own. This is definitely possible. This usually happens in form of an agreement. 2 beings temporarily exchange their bodies so that they can explore the world of the other being. For example if an alien from another universe wants to explore earth, it can astral project to earth, but it can do more things with a physical body than with an astral body. If it happens involuntarily then this could be considered demonic possesion (if someone is demonically possessed they usually still have some control though) Download skills. Leo said that when you are super conscious, you would be able to just download skills. I believe you don't even need to be super conscious, it's enough to be an advanced OBEer. Do magick during OBEs which will affect your day-life and physical reality. Healing: By asking your subconscious, or aliens or guiding spirits, you are able to figure out the root cause of a disease and then tackle it (in case it has a psychological root) Have long whole-body orgasms And then we have of course the more well-known benefits: Personal Development: In dreams you are directly in contact with your subconscious. So this is obviously very valuable for any personal development work Fun Practice any skill Practice the Law of Attraction and make it more effective ... I believe OBEs are the key to mastering all of life. And the key to OBEs is deep hypnosis like the Esdaile State. I will soon make a post about that.

i have 3 questions. what is the meaning of, outsdie world does not exist without a perceiver.. world exist without me.. isnt it?? when someone astral projecting.. what is happening? is mind projecting outside of body and experiencing astral world? if it's true, what happen to conciousness when i projecting outside? is conciousness projects with me or no? if it doesn't then how can i able to perceive astral world? what is sansara and reincarnation ? is rebirth real? my ego will born again and again because of karma? if anyone can answere.. it's great.. because im going crazy?

sorry if im annoying you. im coming from buddhist culture. here most of us believing in reincarnation, and sansara ( Saṃsāra "Sanskrit, Pali; also samsara", in Buddhism is the beginningless cycle of repeated birth, mundane existence and dying again. Samsara is considered to be dukkha, unsatisfactory and painful, perpetuated by desire and avidya (ignorance), and the resulting karma.) what is your opinion about this?

Nobody knows what happens after death. A student asks a Zen master: “Don’t you know if there’s life after death? Aren’t you a Zen master?” The Zen master replies: “Sure, but I’m not a dead Zen master!” The human form and personality dissolves at death. Indian religions believe in reincarnation, but that is speculation. Pema Chodron thinks there is a karmic imprint of the person at death, but that too is speculation. All we really know is the experiential realization that the essence of who we are is eternal and beyond death. I like this pointer:

I like Advaita because it's a simple teaching that doesn't require extra beliefs, such as in Buddhism they believe in reincarnation. However when it comes to the concept of time Advaita is too dismissive in my opinion. Therefore I have come up with my own model which includes time. I have put the model together from different sources including Leo's explanation of reality as difference, an idea that originally may have come from Peter Ralston who described all of reality as distinction. My model briefly is: Reality is difference. The difference manifests as Indra's net expanding forever at an accelerating rate (which is possible to mathematically define). Indra's net in its complete infinite form is the unmanifested reality and can be illustrated by the unit circle which has the radius of 1. Our multiverse is a point on that circle and that point can be represented by a single real number. Consciousness is that number observing the finite manifestation of itself within the expansion of Indra's net which produces the experience of time. My model might be more complicated than Advaita but to me it explains more. And precise predictions can be made. For example our manifested reality is always finite. It's only the unmanifested reality, the complete unit circle, that is infinite. Think of it as resolution of a screen getting higher and higher making the unit circle drawn on the screen consisting of more and more pixels. The unmanifested circle has an infinite number of pixels (points)! Try to produce a computer screen with infinite resolution.

What about to eat vegetables? You need first deforest the earth, destroy a lot of animal wild life, transport the food, etc. The best solution to avoid that would be a collective suicide. In other hand, a chicken in a good ecological farm have a good life. Better than most of the humans. Eat, sleep, stay with anothers chickens, no worries. One day he dies...what to do? Not bad for a reincarnation. A fish the same, born to die, like all beings on the earth, but when he's living, I think he's enjoying every second, not like the poor sads humans, born to figth with the karma. Life is hard. When you, or me, are fighting to breathe in the bed of an hospital for weeks maybe we get jealous of the destiny of a fish. It's useless to protect the life, if I could choose, I'd prefer a world without medicine, without any security, where death is everywhere. Better than this world of naive lies, where people think that life should be preserved, and it's impossible. Life born to finish, and it's not sad. Sad is to try to avoid that

RECAP Problem, challenge, obstacle Feeling depressed, suicidal, negative thinking of sufferable effort (Ego stories and games?) Having to suffer through work, grind, assignments in college Having to suffer through sufferable effort in general (throughout my history and life, although this may be a common problem) The "actual" (?) problem of Sufferable effort How do you solve sufferable effort? Solutions (Direct Methods) Outlook, perspective, optimism Consider your perspectives aren't necessarily the highest perspective Eliminate (or be careful of) nihilistic, pessimistic points of views, beliefs (on effort, sufferable effort, life, etc.) Incorporate/understand positive, optimistic, differing perspectives, points of view (on effort, sufferable effort, life, etc.) Be careful of the ego's stories Stop, eliminate, be careful of victim mentality, Don't be close-minded, don't give up, always try to find a solution, be a problem-solver, be a fighter, be a creator Don't overcomplicate it, Don't ruminate to much Pondering, contemplation, journaling Ask yourself question, question your beliefs, perspectives, interpretation Try to enjoy your current work, see what aspects you love Make the best of current work, effort, try to enjoy current effort/work Consider using supplements/drugs, consider using music, high energy music This can be ineffective if it is high level, high difficulty, a certain level difficulty of intellectual work Take breaks Work in teams and groups Consider, explore other types of work, ways to acquire basic needs Consider Part-Time work, minimalistic lifestyle, low-expense minimalistic lifestyle Choose a job (college or manner of creating money for basic needs) that is less stressful and suited to your needs Consider a trade Take a break, try something different, a physical job where you can have high energy with drugs/supplements and music Financial Freedom / Financial Independence Reduce expenses/liabilities (affordable housing, pay down debts) Create additional sources of income Find ways to be efficient Find ways to create efficient value, create immense value while being efficient, ultra-efficient Pursue what you love, find your passion, high-level interests If you love what you do, you won't feel like its work Make a living doing what you love, with enjoyable effort Awakening/Enlightenment, Dis-identify from the mind, Liberation from the mind It is speaking on your behalf and causing untold misery Self-experimentation Experiment with the solutions offered, experiment with your own solutions, experiment with solutions, experiment Acceptance, Understanding That work, effort, the sufferable effort is an inevitable part of life Know that life is a shitty deal, life is a shitty deal for not just me but everyone, understand/accept that perspective, "Just deal with it" Stop being a bitch, stop being a pussy (Indirect Methods / Worthy Endeavors / Solutions to other, related problems) Seek help Engage in therapy Using your mind to change your perspective is futile for some people (especially for those who live in their head), you need to engage your emotions strongly as well Engage in energy work Understand meaning Question, ponder, contemplate, learn, research, think about, etc. meaning Be careful for meanings surrounding meaning Eliminate video games, sex/masturbation (maybe just limit sex?~), alcohol, too much sugar, too much food indulgence, consuming too much media (especially social media), too much recreational drugs (weed included), too much partying/gossiping Eliminate all lower consciousness activities All this shit numbs you and lowers motivation levels Focus on your health, neurotransmitters, eliminate, replace, fix badly functioning neurotransmitters Focus on experiencing joy Find ways to enjoy life Engage in fun activities Ideas/Perspectives Death may not be an option (due to reincarnation, having to restart, karma, etc.) Consider "sufferable", unpleasant after-death experiences due to suicide Consider taking suicide off the cards It may override your higher purpose Find and focus on your higher purpose People who live to old age often comment that the time passes crazy fast anyway This is how it is, welcome to the human world. You don't have many options. You either own a business or have a job. In both, you need to work. Most people know life is hard, people with the highest levels of self-love are not willing to passively accept common outcomes Pursue what you love, don't overcomplicate Love is the magic ingredient that makes work not feel like work. You only call it "work" when you don't love what you're doing, Consider that modern life may expect to much intellectual work from us Consider that physical work can be therapeutic It can be healthy, exercise See the benefits, see the positive You may just take a break from your work and come back, take a break and work on physical work then come back Some forms of financial agency/security/independence are liberating though it is easier said than done Finances can be hard to get right if there is no external source of support ?~~~ (Victim mentality?~) Surviving on part-time work might be a more achievable goal Not working may cause mental issues, not working may be suboptimal There may be a certain kind of lethargy caused by a lack of positive engagement with people and challenges If you are involved in the right goals, it may not be an issue Your mind frame controls you, you look at reality in one way, while not being conscious that reality is how you see it Your mind creates the problems in interpreting the world See the deceptive nature of your thoughts, Do not trust your thoughts That’s the beauty of advanced personal development and spirituality, that’s why I watch actualized.org videos You will understand how reframing can solve the problem, only when you realize how your current framing has created the problem in the first place Its not always about re-framing, sometimes its about practice, past-experience, skill, strategy Have a positive mindset, think like naruto, think like anime characters, never give up (but I think still investigate, it can't all just be baseless) The effort you put in depends on your creativity, level of creativity Consider that you are in depression, that this is depression Possibly start to fear "meaninglessness" Go back to stage orange, lower level, previous perspective and see how I would see myself from there ?~~ My country has the most opportunities for whatever work I want to be doing, my country has the best ratio of self-made? people across the world I seem to be complacent and I am spoiled by my country and the conditions I was born in It can be challenging growing up with privelege because you are given a lot of things that other's work their whole lives for, and you see the emptiness in them and other pursuits You may lack motivation because your life is too comfortable right now Why does one lack motivation if their life is to comfortable? Isn't the lack of motivation a problem which is uncomfortable? Isn't the lack of results a problem which is uncomfortable? Life may take on more meaning if someone depends on you, such as a pet, child or student Why might this be meaningful? Awaken, enlighten, More spirit in your life means more presence, joy and lightness Awakening will let you sink into effortlessness, awakening is ultimate laziness With awakening, there isn't anyone owning the pain/suffering, which is a quantum leap Consider whether you should awaken, go down the awakening route Know it is an option if all else fails Only truthful activities remain when one awakens Directed energy to sustain activity dissipates if there is no point, purpose, it is non-truthful activity, a non-truthful activity, All activities done on behalf of a sperate self will eventually fall away as one treads along the path What these activities are in your particular case is something you'll discover as you go Further Questions / Challenges What is effort? What is sufferable effort? What is enjoyable effort? What is sufferable vs enjoyable effort? Is sufferable effort inevitable? Is sufferable 'emotional labor' inevitable? Is there are solution to this problem? Is their a way to eliminate this problem completely? Is suffering inevitable? Can you actually solve the problem of "having to put effort in life"? How do you handle, deal with sufferable effort while you working on solutions for it? How do you deal with having to grind in college (How do you deal with the suffering from sufferable effort? (boring, uninteresting, grueling, sufferable effort/effortful homework, assignments, zoom calls, etc.?) How do you handle suffering? Do you just sit and suffer (or fight and suffer)? Do you have to suffer? Is suffering inevitable? Is the sufferable effort of life worth it? Is the sufferable effort to eliminate sufferable effort worth it? Do you have to do sufferable effort in order to eliminate sufferable effort? What is the point/purpose of it all? Is that question voided, based on false assumptions? What are the perspectives, outlooks, viewpoints surrounding this? Is there something I am missing? Is the idea, perception, feeling of doing, effort an illusion? What level (or progress) of awakening does one have to be to realize this? (Is this full awakening?) does one have to be fully awakened to realize this? How do you love what you are doing? How do you create a love for what you are doing? Can we just see the world however we want? Can we create whatever framing we want? Can we interpret the world however we want? Why do anything? Why is it important to challenge yourself? Why is it important to grow? Isn't this sense of accomplishment based of false meaning and untenable? What is personal truth? What is subjective truth? Isn't meaning just bullshit? Isn't all meaning just bullshit? What is meaning? How does one understand meaning completely? Is having no meaning bad? Is meaning-less bad? What is the point/meaning of meaninglessness? What are the implications of meaninglessness? Is meaninglessness a bad thing? What is meant by meaninglessness? Is all meaning untenable? Can you still hold meaning even if all meaning is untenable? How can you enjoy meaning if all meaning is untenable? If all meaning is untenable what the hell? Feel free to answer all or a few of the questions above. Feel free to share your perspective, ideas, comments.

@Travelion When time, space, self, other, life, death, light, and love are embodied, what remains is reincarnation. That (or ‘this’) is your actual ‘body’.

I don't think that reincarnation exist but who knows. What are you? First question. For me the best answer is that you are a shape in the nothingness, you are a perfect, wonderful shape , incredibly perfect, a miracle, but no more. Your substance is the infinite nothingness, the same for you, for me, for the shit that I did a while ago, or that formed a stone. A infinite empty hole that it's everything, vibrating in a miraculous simphony...so, when your shape ends, who is going to reincarnate, if already now there is no one, there is only another shape , another wave with a frequency, when the wave gets consumed, only the substance where the wave vibrates remains, and the substance is everything, so what reincarnation?