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Mischief replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
My 3 year old son told me that he hadn’t learned Thai as a second language, he’s always known it. He claimed that he was a Thai man previously and had died when he was 44. He occasionally got excited when he recognised a place that we’d never been before. I didn’t probe him as I didn’t know anything of spirituality until very recently. So I’d be inclined to say reincarnation is a real thing that’s experienced. -
Javfly33 replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@The Lucid DreamerDreamerDreamDreamerDreamerDDreamerDreamerDreamDreamerDrea Woah loved your message. I think you got a solid point. My idea of reincarnation seems it comes from a finite and egocentric point of view, which of course is fundamentally false . Especially loved the parts about "you would have to start living lives at some point" if reincarnation is real, which makes sense. Anyways I guess is something I need a much profound awakening to understand. But thanks all for the messages, also for all the people saying sorry! I must confess my relationship with my father was kind of nasty, so it hasn't been a tough news for me. But i still appreciate the sensibility of this forum of course! Thanks guys ?? -
Moksha replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Sorry to hear about your loss, bro. Even our "dream" selves, and those we care about, are worthy of being honored. On reincarnation, nobody knows for sure. I find it plausible, but don't know, and don't trust anyone that claims to know. The closest thing I've seen to evidence are the near-death experiences of people that seem credible. If you haven't seen this, I highly encourage watching it, especially given your question: -
Tim R replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Javfly33 I'm sorry to hear that and wish you great strength. Reminds me of Spira's screen-analogy to consciousness. In that analogy your father would be like a character in a movie. In reality he is of course the screen, pretending to be some particular character and when this character dies, then his consciousness doesn't go anywhere (because it was nowhere to begin with). The screen (consciousness) is nowhere and therefore can't go anywhere. @Javfly33 Concerning reincarnation: to be (re)born or to die is to identify with a certain pattern/form. Let's look at a river. "The river" as such doesn't exist, it is a constant flux (hence it's true nature is emptiness/shunyata). As the ancient philosopher Heraklit said "Pantha Rhei" - "everything flows". The moment you identify this pattern as "the river", it is born. But because it ("the river") is always changing, it is also in a constant process of dying. This is the eternal cycle of (re)birth and death: Samsara. Birth and death are identical, because the moment you say "there it is!" - it's gone. Here's another example. Look at the flame of a candle. We say "there is the flame!", whereas in reality, there is no flame, only a hot stream of burning wax. "The flame" as a pattern/form that you could identify as such is of course an illusion - therefore Samsara is just an illusion. And as our last example, let's look at the ocean: there aren't any waves, appearing and disappearing. There's just the Ocean - Nirvana! playing and pretending to be Samsara. -
Moksha replied to Firebird's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
My sense is that there are many levels of manifestation, not just unmanifested vs. manifested. When we die, there seems to be a continued packet of personality, which you can call a ghost, a karmic imprint, or whatever name you choose, which still exists, within its own level of manifestation. Ancient Indian spirituality recognizes this, through the concepts of samsara and reincarnation. Ultimate reabsorption into the unmanifested doesn't happen until paranirvana. But these are only concepts, so I take them with a grain of salt. Donald Hoffman has some interesting ideas on this. Also, there are many instances of near death experiences and supernatural occurrences, some of which seem credible. I have glimpsed some of this, but can't say that I completely understand it. I saw it as a child, denied it as a scientist, and now readmit its possibility. -
A cure is when you simply get rid of the entire health problem. For example, a surgery that successfully removes all the cancerous cells. In which case all the symptoms have ended. Healing on the other hand, is a process that, whilst it works on the health problem, also inevitably changes every aspect of your life. Healing can even include death. For example, someone who is suffering from cancer and is doing healing can even die from that cancer. In which case, the healing journey continues even after death, onto the soul’s next reincarnation.
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thanks for the encouragement! Insight on What Suffering Actually Is If the universe is infinite, it means its everything possible. If its everything possible, then it must also be possible to not see the truth/not see how things are. Suffering is literally not seeing how things are/the truth. Suffering = False. Happiness = True. Suffering and Happiness aren't separate to truth. That's a huge mistake I've been making my entire journey. I had this idea in my head that truth was not happiness, and that people who were seeking happiness were not as sincere as people who were seeking truth. This has been shown to be completely hogwash because suffering literally equals not seeing how things are. Woops. So then why do you get happy when playing video games and eating mcdonalds? Because its possible for the ego to play really sneaky games. Its possible for the ego to make you see the truth/outline the truth, when you are conforming with its biases. And its possible for the ego to make you see falsehood when you aren't conforming with its biases. So if you are meditating, and you feel resistance, yet dont feel resistance eating mcdonalds, its because when meditating, your perspective of meditating is wrong. You are believing stuff, have a perspective of meditation that isn't actual. Yet when eating mcdonalds, your perspective is actual, you are in the present moment more, you are enjoying reality more. You need to watch this ego trick very carefully, its a very sneaky trick. Damn, can't get over how I didn't see truth = happiness and suffering literally = false/not actual. @Nahm damn, finally see why you're so LOAish hahaha. You're even wiser then I thought! Why didnt ya tell me this before???? Well now my only option is to reduce suffering and chase happiness, instead of being some grand amazing seeker thats chasing truth because hes so much better and cooler then everyone else. Damn I'm normal, how boring. Sorry Nahm ignore everything after EDIT, I'm just spazzing out hahahahaha. EDIT: ohhhhh damn, the entire point the whole time was just feeling good and reducing suffering. Ohhh damn the rest was deception. ohhhhh damn people told me this and I didn't listen. ohhhh damnnnnnnnnnn. It was so simple. Ohhh god damn jeeeezuz. Pursuing truth, what a load of deception shhhhhhhhhittttttttttttttttttttt. ohhh damn, all that other shit is a distraction. Ohhhh damn it really is. What people say, epistemology, helping others, pursuing truth, meditating, yoga, spiritual path, realizations, is all post the absolute fundamental of feeling good. Feeling good and reducing suffering is literally prior to all of that. Ohhhh damnnnnnnnnnnnn. So deluded hahahahaha. Omigosh. What da fuck. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn understanding how reality works is post feeling goooooooooooooooooood. Knowing how reality works is post feeling goooooooooooooood. Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuk. OMFG, its all just fucking feeling good. Wanting to know how reality works was just reducing suffering. Insights was just reducing suffering. Realizations was just reducing suffering. There's literally nothing over than happiness and veering off seeing that through suffering. What the actual fuck. Can't believe it. I can't know any more than this lol. OMFG there's literally 0 suffering happening now. What the actual fuck, all that reincarnation and enlightenment was all post feeling good. All that infinite and finite shit was post feeling good. OMFG you don't need to have 0 body to have 0 suffering. That was all deception. You don't need to stop eating or doing conditional stuff to have 0 suffering. That was all deception. What in the flying fuck. I can't believe everything was a lie. jeeeezus christ. jeeeezus christ. OMFG "no others", "no ego" is post feeling good. OHHH MYYYY GODDDDD. The universe is groundless is post feeling good. The truth is literally happiness and 0 suffering. No its not knowing shit. Knowing shit is post feeling good. The answer to everything is happiness. I am so happy right now that its scary. I feel like I'm gonna disappear. I feel like the entire universe is just gonna do something radical. Like a breakthrough trip. Like I can't see anything the same way ever again. Ok this is scary. Really scary. Every fucken awakening, contraction/expansion, knowing, new state of consciousness is fucking post feeling good. This is the only thing you can't tell people, because its too obvious and simple. So oneness and everything else is the only way. If you could tell people, they wouldnt need any of that other crap. this is the only thing you cannot explain. This is the only thing you can't know, because knowing is within happiness. jeeezus. christ. OMG, when Leo say "you've cleverly divided yourself" that statement was an example of you cleverly dividing yourself, because its not true. Its suffering. EDIT 2: THE BUDDHA WAS RIGHT EDIT 3: WHAT THE FUCK YOU DOING PLANNING IN THE FUTURE WHEN ITS ABOUT FEELING GOOD NOW EDIT 4: I just got a very unconventional download that the truth is literally what I want. The truth is literally what I want. No like, everything that's happening right now, my entire life, is what I wanted. what???????????????? Well if its not what I wanted, then what's it doing here???????????????????????? Why would I manifest something I didn't want???????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? what in the flying fuck is going on. what the flying fuck. Why is everything in my life happening the exact way I wanted it. I also want to ask whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy That's why I'm asking why. Is the point of life to just realize that what I want is whats happening?
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Heart of Space replied to Heart of Space's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Well shit, I mean your description of your spirituality is something I think I can really get behind. Objectivity and honesty are extremely important in the fundamental point being made behind this thread. And then also you think it's beneficial to drop alternative concepts about spirituality and that not all of them are necessary. That's essentially what I'm advocating, although I do think that some of the words and phrases you listed could have pragmatic use. So, hopefully I'm not coming across as a language Nazi, or someone that is being too nit picky. I really do have a purpose behind what I'm saying and believe my perspective could be beneficial to some people. When I talk about concepts that could be discarded I more refer to concepts that sort of divorce themselves from fundamental present reality. An example would be someone saying that there are many levels and layers to awakening and sort of creating a mythological narrative around those awakenings. It almost turns into a sort of new age religion for example when you start talking about how a particularly deep level awakening can end the cycle of reincarnation for example. Something like that is not truth, or presence, it is simply a narrative that your mind made up. There is a ton of ideology mixed into people's spirituality on this forum. It just tends to not be as dogmatic, or literalist as say a fundamentalist Christian. My question is why have any ideology? Or if it's too hard to avoid some level of ideology in regards to your spirituality shouldn't you try to break it down to it's basic and most simple parts? Why do we have to talk about narrative such as spirits, telepathy, past lives, reincarnation, Gods, demons, and play spiritual dragon ball Z with endless levels of awakening and enlightenment? You say you discovered truth, so from that perspective, how do you feel about what I say? I wouldn't question your experience of telepathy. I would only ask what is its significance and how does this experience relate to your spirituality? I've had experiences like the one you describe. I don't know your experience, so I don't want to seem like I think that I understand it better than you do, because I absolutely do not. However, I think with drugs and even in sober reality, there is a vast ability for people to ascribe narrative and significance to reality that is simply falsehood. I think people underestimate how much they tend to mythologize their own experiences, spiritual people are some of the worst offenders of this. -
Preety_India replied to Natasha's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The best proof of reincarnation is this forum. I have seen reincarnations of people who were banned before. They took unusual forms but the writing remained the same. -
Firebird replied to Firebird's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You're right. For example, I strongly and intuitively believed in reincarnation before I was enlightened. Now I don't need to believe, I just know. When you honestly and sincerely believe something is the truth then it doesn't matter much whether you are enlightened or not. Enlightenment confirms what you believed was absolutely true, removing any possible doubts. I was surprised when some buddhists said that they doubted reincarnation. This can happen when you become culturally indoctrinated and taking your culture for granted because you were born into that culture. The pointer was myself. I exist don't I? If I said I don't exist I would be denying the subject which is consciousness, spirit or God. What is the subject? Consciousness. What is the object? The mind-body. When Leo says you don't exist, don't take that literally. Its just a way to lower down your ego so that you can become awakened. -
James123 replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@electroBeam there is no reality. If there is no thoughts, what is left? You think you are in world right now? There is no why, because why comes from so called monkey mind. Lastly, when you realize there is no monkey mind, you realize you have never born, if you never born what is left? Where is the reincarnation? Additionally, these are not personal, because person is constructed by the monkey mind. You must have direct experience of what is left after there is no monkey mind, which is experiencing before birth. Because your so called monkey mind (thought process) started your birth. Thats why you don’t remember before birth. How do you know that this is a body? What is god? If there is no monkey mind, what is left to ask? You must have direct experience of what is left after there is no monkey mind, which is experiencing before birth. Because your so called monkey mind (thought process) started your birth. Thats why you dont remember before birth. Because there is no mind. Process of thoughts is what creates distinctions, duality and birth. If there is no monkey mind, what is left? Whatever left is what you are. So simple. Additionally, this is the main problem with psychedelics, because so called mind or a person can never get this no observer, nothing to observe or pure presence. Because still a thought process is going on. And after the trip mind will think that it will reach at higher consciousness and still questions rise, why, how vs? So thought process still goes on, whatever the trip you have experienced and can never be able to comprehend it that it is now. Imo, Mind can never comprehend this while thought process goes on, therefore psychedelics are ineffective for awakening. However, in regular awakening, you can directly become conscious of it with no thoughts. Because at that moment you realize that everything was just a process of thoughts (entire duality). Such as the person, who consumed 5meo and experience a trip was a just a thought process, never happened. Therefore, not knowing take place as before birth, mind become silent, question doesn’t rises and become one with moment as before birth, after death and now. As always been. This is the another main problem, psychedelics gives mesmerizing affects, or something fantastic during the trip till you become nothing (which is end of the road). And you can %90 lost your track during the awakening process because when you return the regular mind you are mesmerized by it, and you will try to get back that perspective again. Because whatever you explain of the above it is just a word, drinking water has no differences than consuming 5meo. However when you are awaken without psychedelics and you forget everything that you have learned, and there is just no one to think, talk and conceptualize. (What is thinking, conceptualizing, talking, seeing, awakening, me, god, learning What is what?, are they words, or visuals? Where do they come from? How can we take the knowledge as grounded, truth or real? What is grounded, truth or real? How can you even know that understanding is possible, what is understanding?) So you realize that you have never born, birth was just a thought of monkey mind, and if there is no monkey mind, what is left? Just you. But you cant even say me, because there is no monkey mind, and “me” is just a word. Therefore, Monkey mind becomes quite and you are before birth, pure and empty. (but pure and empty is still a word, therefore you can say as genuinely not knowing, because mind is created by something that you have learned or know, it keeps wonder think and learn). Genuinely now knowing. Surrendering the mind is must. Definitely ? -
Machine elves are just as real as electroBeam. Or possibly more real. Yet not the realest, the realest is mahasamadhi. If you want that, go for it. Its totally possible because the universe is infinite. Yet you will get sick of that eventually, and destroy the dream. That's all I'm saying. Infinite love is definitely real, but the thing is, eventually you'll realize that you created every spiritual teacher, the path, enlightenment, infinite love as a means to distract you from knowing the truth. A truth beyond all of that. You're a god playing in your room with spiritual teacher toy soldiers pretending that they know about infinite love more then you, when actually the words coming out of their mouth is actually coming out of your mouth - that realization is when you finally get that there is a truth beyond all teachers, and that infinite love and the highest teachings were just distractions from knowing or discovering that truth that is beyond all teachers and paths and even psychedelics. Inside your room, there is another room that you haven't opened, and you've been pretending to open it with your toy soldiers. But when you finally realize its all toy soldiers, you gotta put all those toy soldiers down and go and discover whats in that room. Is there a monster in that room? Or is it a more expansive form of love? Or something entirely different? You've got no pointers because you have been making up all the pointers. This is totally unknown territory. No teachers know about it because they are all puppets of you(when you finally realize that). Whenever I get the sense of opening up that new room, I always get a sinister feeling, like there's some monster in it and I created all of this delusion and devilry to protect myself from it because of how monstrous it is. Its like the universe isn't infinite love, its actually really bad, and I created infinite love to hide myself from it(not saying this is true, this is just how I feel about it). Its like I've discovered it before, got really shocked, then created all this delusion to protect myself from it. Yet what I, as God, have to finally mature up to is the possibility that there is a monster in that room, but I discover it anyway because even if the truth is infinite hell, or beyond infinite hell, or a monster, or just horror or beyond bad, I discover it anyway because truth is more important than feeling good or bliss. In other words Keyhole, you can't rely on teachers or anyone to tell you what the truth is, because what the truth is, is virtually unknown by any of your toy soldiers, including me. Only you know how deep this shit can go, and only you can go deeper then all your toy soldiers, because you're the only one here. Your toy soldiers cant know more then you because their words are coming out of your mouth, you've been pretending they haven't as a means to distract you from the truth (yes thats twisted AND TRUE). It sure is, mahasamadhi isn't physical death, I was just illustrating. Its a type of death that kills reincarnation and the dream. Mods, you can close this thread now if you want. I think the message that was wanting to be conveyed is loud and clear.
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There's 2 different levels here. There's realizing infinite love, and seeing reincarnation from that POV. Then there's seeing reincarnation from mahasamadhi's POV. From the infinite love POV its obvious that reincarnation happens, just like how it happens every time we sleep at night. The dream goes to something else. Yet that's not the end of the road. Then there's mahasamadhi which is beyond that. Its beyond reincarnation. Its like realizing that reincarnation isn't a thing. How could you live after realizing reincarnation isn't a thing? What if the whole reincarnation and high consciousness and low consciousness and merging with God and not merging with God are all just you distracting yourself from a truth that will blow all that away. Well that's what that trip was like for me. And of course its like that because I invented Leo, the path, enlightened beings, infinite love realization, psychedelics, all of it. Once you get to the point where you're so sober that you realized you created all that shit, that's when you realize all that stuff isn't true. And if all that stuff isn't true, then everything you know now is gonna be a complete lie and obliterated. What you're actually hiding is something no beings have talked about because no beings are real. You created them all to distract you from this thing you're hiding. Who the fuck knows what that is. Why did you even create all this shit in the first place? That thing you're hiding is so radical and scary that you went so far as to game yourself so hard with all these enlightened beings and psychedelics and the path, you tricked yourself into thinking you're legitimately getting to the truth with all this path stuff, when actually all of that is a distraction you created to hide this thing. jesus christ what the fuck is this thing you're hiding. You are going to some extreme lengths to hide it. Like gaming yourself with the path, making yourself think you're getting to the truth way better then 99.99999999% of people, and all of that was a fucken game to hide this thing. Jesus fucking christ. That's why posting videos to me about what other teachers say is just completely stupid from my POV, because I've seen that I created all of that to distract myself from X, and what in the fuck is X, it could be a monster for all I know. But I'm God, I've gotta toughen up and venture and see what this X is, this X beyond everything I know. Its my fate. Its definitely leaving the body and amnesia and mahasamadhi, thats for sure. Like I have no idea what X is, and I've gotta be extremely manly and tough and brave to figure this out, because this is God level shit. I as God am hiding something big. And I don't know why I'm hiding it and going to such extreme lengths to hide it. I need to be extremely tough, brave, intelligent, and mature to figure what X is, its beyond all teachers and everything I as god have created.
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Truth be told, I can't understand why would someone not pursue truth, be on the path. I literally can't understand what else is there to do in life? Can anyone explain this to me in a way that does not belittle or dismiss non-seekers? Only reincarnation and soul age are an explanation that I find acceptable.
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Insight For the past few months I've been working in a job that I use to love but don't anymore, and haven't been able to leave it. You could describe it a little bit like an eternal hell, a hell where I can't get out of it till I take the lesson that I'm stupidly not seeing. The lesson finally came to me... what you want isn't to achieve a goal, physical manifestation, change of environment, or state, or obtaining knowledge, or obtaining a state of consciousness, but rather what you want is to rest in the release of suffering. And resting in any other place (like visions for the future about any sort of manifestations) distracts you from the resting of release of suffering. If you're suffering from cleaning the house, just rest in cleaning the house. That's way more fulfilling then working towards some goal like some mystical state of consciousness or a big house or whatever tickles ya fancy. For me personally, my desire to have something other then the now was causing suffering. And it was also the cause of procrastination. By submitting to whatever is now, I returned to peace. So if I'm doing work and hoping that the work is good enough to satisfy my boss, that hoping is the cause of suffering and procrastination. Once I accepted that my boss might like or hate what I did, and also accept the fact that even though what I'm doing now sucks and I want to be meditating right now instead, and just suck it up, I was in peace and the procrastination subsided. Chasing happiness and running away from suffering doesn't really make sense to me anymore... or to truly chase happiness requires me to not chase happiness but to rest in the release of suffering. There's really nothing else to do but sacrifice your wants and needs to help someone else get their wants and needs. Or in other words, kill yourself to repay others' sins. Which is sort of the same as altruism, sacrificing something you have to give it to someone else. So in other words, if there are 2 places in the world, the peasant and the king, and there are 2 embryos that will go into either place, pick the peasant so that the other can be the king. And this is actually the most fulfilling decision because its true freedom. There's nothing to loose. The king will spend his entire life addicted to material possession, while the peasant spends his entire life in hell so that the king can have those possessions. The peasant spends his entire life in default altruism (by sacrificing his place as a king to the other embryo) and because its altruism its permanence, giving instead of taking, love instead of hate, letting go and detachment over attachment and holding on, spiritual rather than anti spiritual. What's been making me feel really really good lately has been the idea that whenever I suffer, I'm taking a place of suffering so that others don't have to go through it. I'm sacrificing my comfy life so that others can have a comfy life. This wouldn't make sense to a normie in a materialist paradigm, but makes sense from a non dual, infinite perspective because god IS infinity, and so you must be every situation, and by me taking the hellish one, I allow another reincarnation to take the comfy one. This is a much more effective form of alturism, much more effective then donation or any worldly stuff, as the latter relies on delusional ideas of duality, the 3D world, etc. And also psychedelic trips are not limited to substances. The universe as a whole is a psychedelic trip, and psychedelic plants and substances are 1 part of the psychedelic experience.
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This isnt a spiritual talent thing, this is an awakening thing. Awakenings change your paradigm as radically as reincarnation. Nahm keeps saying "The infinite cannot know the finite" and that is a good saying. You cant wake up and still remember what its like before awakening. Its not how it works. You literally reincarnated. @Leo Gura Whenever i read your posts you give off the vibe that psychedelics are some revolutionary magic pill far more effective then meditation, gurus and everything else. Is this your position? Im really curious, and struggling to see how your experiences on psychedelics are so profound and what makes it more profound then sober. I'd love if you could explain more. Sober feels to me more grounded, and crystal clear. Sober is as clear as you'll get. Psychedelics always adds in spatial distortions and makes your mind go hyperactive and just makes things unnecessarily spooky and nuts. Like a needless alice in wonderland. The other thing is, its a memory. And memories are highly distorted. Sober is now and clear. And you come down. All insights, awakenings were sober. I dont know what ya talking about with psyches. In my personal experience, i took 4 mescaline trips, each with 1 metre of cactus, and all trips were highly mild. I then took 3 ayahuasca trips(high doses) and again trips were highly mild. I then took about 30 grams of peganum harmala in frustration and had a powerful trip but no ego death and barely any breakthrough. No dmt machine elf entities, and it was only scary because i didnt expect peganum harmala to be a psychedelic of itself and had work in 8 hours of taking it. I really resonate with Ralston on psychedelics and see where he's coming from. And im not spiritually talented either so i resonate with him on a normal human level, not on a unique brain chemistry level.
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I spent over 20 years sitting with Buddhist groups - frustrated on the cushion and confused during the Dharma talks. And I was still scratching the surface. No mystical experiences, no awakenings. Then there arrives a substance that can gift me mystical experiences and awakenings . . . and you are telling me I should say no? That I should sit in vain the rest of my life? That maybe there is reincarnation and maybe in some future life I will get a mystical experience and awakening? C'mon.
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Vissarion! Another Jesus, this time from Russia... from Siberia https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/22/cult-leader-vissarion-reincarnation-jesus-arrested-siberia-russia
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mandyjw replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If you do a search for Nisargadatta Maharaj and karma he spoke about it a lot from different angles. "Karma, or destiny, is an expression of a beneficial law: the universal trend towards balance, harmony and unity. At every moment, whatever happens now, is for the best. It may appear painful and ugly, a suffering bitter and meaningless, yet considering the past and the future it is for the best, as the only way out of a disastrous situation." Also, All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God. Pure experience does not bind; experience caught between desire and fear is impure and creates karma. -Nisargadatta Maharaj “Questioner: We were told about karma and reincarnation, evolution and Yoga, masters and disciples. What are we to do with all this knowledge? Maharaj: Leave it all behind you. Forget it. Go forth, unburdened with ideas and beliefs. Abandon all verbal structures, all relative truth, all tangible objectives. The Absolute can be reached by absolute devotion only. Don't be half-hearted. Q: I must begin with some absolute truth. Is there any? M: Yes, there is, the feeling: 'I am'. Begin with that.” -
If we are just supposed to worship death, then why did God even create life in the first place? If it's better to be dead and never come back, why did God even create the cycle of reincarnation in the first place? It makes no sense. If life just causes suffering, it would have been pointless for God to even create life to begin with. By the way, I don't believe that the cycle of reincarnation exists, but I'm using that as an illustration of my point. I wouldn't mind to be reincarnated. That would be awesome. I would love to be reincarnated a million times. That's because I like life more than death. The teaching that "all life is suffering" is complete nonsense because many people are living their lives with very minimal suffering. Theoretically, if you lived a perfect life with perfect Christian values, you would not suffer at all. Not even the tiniest bit. The only reason why we suffer is because we are sinners. Sin causes suffering. The ironic thing is that the people who are trying to escape suffering are actually the ones who suffer the most. Some spiritual guru who is sitting in a dark cave torturing himself probably suffers more than any normal person.
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SilentTears replied to jim123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
uhhh... where did you get this belief? same as above.... where did you get these belief? throw them away. reincarnation is the cycle of karma, love, everything. it exists simply to exist. it makes no sense cause its not right. just those beliefs dont fit and no one should take them on.... you will be better once you throw them away. let me explain. "life just causes suffering" why would you want to take on that type of reality......... oh yeah, you see it too. thats a shit belief. lol lets say sin = impurities then yeah, it does. its fine though. you dont have to follow any of those rules. just come from purity and it will be fine. kinda, not always. and the guru thing.... mmm not really true. if an avrage person sat in a cave then they would suffer, maybe. a guru is already trained in that way and enjoys and would probably be peaceful by themselves. they would not consider it torture and if they did then they are stupid cause why would someone do that to themselves. lol its not like they win brownie points for suffering. -
No Self replied to jim123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The beliefs around rebirth and Samsara are where Eastern philosophy becomes more egoic and dogmatic. It loses its purity. For example, in having reincarnation, we are taking for granted a simplistic human perspective of time and sequential events. The physical universe as described by Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, and the afterlife as described by Near-Death Experience reports, both agree that time is far stranger than that. It can be said that everything is happening 'now'. Your past self of 10 years ago and your future lifetime are happening now, just at different points in a multi-dimensional space-time continuum. In a more practical sense, my understanding is that people have a choice in terms of whether they are reborn here or not. There is a lot more in existence than this world, or even this universe. The goal in the bigger picture seems to be reaching a state of mastery (expression of oneness and selfless love within the physical world, like Jesus), and then the whole process repeats. But as profound as all of this is, it all falls under the banner of beliefs from our perspective, so is not worth focusing on too much. Just rest assured that God knows what He's doing. -
Just felt like sharing this for fun. Just verified that the present moment is a belief. The present moment isn't real. Contrary to popular opinion, there is actually stuff outside of the present moment, and that's best described IMO as infinite formlessness. Which may seem obvious to some, but its not, because it also partially explains how reincarnation works. The present moment is just a perspective of many. Which means the stuff outside of the present moment (formlessness) stays constant/eternal, but the present moment can die and morph into something else, something other than a present moment. Which is hard to understand for us because we only know the present moment, but it definitely can die and morph into something else. In other words, experiencing things from the 1st person isn't an absolute, its relative. Its possible to experience things from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd person and beyond that to things that a human mind is incapable of imagining. This also explains how sleep works. Sleep is a morphing of the present moment to something else, or to a present moment of a different entity. What stays constant through out wake and sleep is that formlessness outside of the present moment, and the present moment itself morphs.
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(An excerpt from Zhuan Falun which talks about transcending this dimension, full book is linked at the end of the post): "It’s somewhat delicate to discuss spiritual concepts such as surpassing this material and mortal realm, or [as Chinese thought calls it,] “surpassing the five elements” and “three realms.” Many teachers of energy practices who have broached these topics have had a hard time responding to skeptics. They often get hit with tricky questions like, “Who can you name that’s achieved these things?” Some of these teachers have not been masters, however, even if they fancy themselves so. But they would try to respond to the questions when they should have just kept quiet; they were in no position to answer them. And so they would get tongue-tied. This has hurt the credibility of spiritual practices in general and muddied the waters. And people have used episodes like these as a pretext for discrediting these practices. Terms related to surpassing the five elements and three realms are spiritual in nature and have religious origins; they came out of a religious context. So it’s important for people to be aware of the historical background of the terms. So what does it mean to surpass the five elements of this material world? The physics of ancient China, much as with physics today, believed that the theory of five elements was valid. And it is indeed the case that the five elements of metal, wood, water, fire, and earth give rise to all of creation, so we subscribe to the theory. For someone to surpass the five elements means, in contemporary terms, to transcend the physical world that we know. I realize it might sound a bit hard to believe. But bear in mind that true spiritual teachers carry a higher energy, known as gong. I have undergone testing to assess my energy, as have many teachers of chi-gong. There are many instruments now that can detect the material elements of higher energy, which these teachers emit; all it takes is the right instruments. Instruments can now detect radiation including infrared, ultraviolet, ultrasound, infrasound, electricity, magnetism, and gamma rays, as well as atoms and neutrons. True chi-gong teachers emit all of these, and more—only they are things that instruments can’t yet detect. So all it takes is the right instruments, and it’s now established that these teachers emit many types of matter. True spiritual teachers exude a powerful and beautiful aura, which can be seen with the right kind of electromagnetic field. The stronger someone’s energy is, the larger the aura that he emanates. Ordinary people have auras as well, only they’re really quite small. From research in high-energy physics we know that energy is in fact things like neutrons or atoms. Many chi-gong teachers have had their energy assessed, and that’s the case for most of those who are renowned. I too have been assessed, and it was found that the amount of gamma rays and thermal neutrons I released was eighty to one hundred and seventy times greater than what matter normally emits. And that was only what the equipment could measure, as the indicator had reached its limit. The researchers found it hard to believe—neutrons that powerful. It shouldn’t be humanly possible. So we can say that it has been scientifically affirmed that masters of energy practices do have higher energy. It takes a practice of both mind and body to transcend the five elements. Practices that don’t involve the body will develop the kind of energy that facilitates spiritual attainment only, and aren’t concerned with surpassing the five elements. Practices of mind and body, by contrast, store up energy in every cell of your body. When most adherents first develop higher energy, the particles of energy that they give off are coarse and low in density, with gaps between them. That makes it not very powerful. At a more advanced stage of practice, the density of energy might be greater than even that of water at the molecular level, by a factor of a hundred, a thousand, or even 100 million. It’s all possible, because your energy becomes more dense, more fine and smooth, and more powerful as you progress. The energy is stored in every cell of your body. And not just your body in this dimension, but your bodies in other dimensions, too. The energy will fill your cells, from the plane of molecules to atoms, to neutrons, to electrons, all the way to the cells at an extremely subatomic level, and over time your body will come to be brimming with higher energy. This higher energy has intelligence and is quite capable. As you gain more of it and it grows denser, it will fill all of your body’s cells and easily inhibit them, since they are weak in comparison. And as this happens, the process whereby old cells are shed and replaced by new ones will cease, since high-energy matter will replace the matter originally making up your cells. While it’s easy to describe, reaching that point of spiritual refinement is a long process. But when it does happen, your entire body will have been remade at the cellular level with high-energy matter. Then it would no longer be the five elements that make up your body. It would instead be material from beyond this world that forms you—you would have a body of high-energy matter harvested from other dimensions. On another note, virtue, similarly, is made up of matter from other dimensions and not subject to the time of this dimension. The sciences now hold that time has a field, and that time’s influence cannot extend beyond it. It’s not possible for time, in one dimension, to have influence over things in other dimensions which are ruled by altogether different laws of time and space. So time, here, would have simply no impact on matter of other dimensions. And the same would be true for your body, which would no longer be mortal in any sense. It would have, as the ancients put it, “surpassed the five elements.” But your body would look no different to people than before. That’s because, despite the dramatic changes in you, your practice wouldn’t be done. You would still have breakthroughs to higher realms to make. And to do that you would need to keep practicing in this world. Being invisible to people wouldn’t do you much good. So what comes next, then? By this point in your practice your cells at the molecular level will have all been reconstituted with high-energy matter. But the atoms one level down have a specific configuration, just as do molecules and atomic nuclei; the configuration doesn’t change for any of them. The molecular configuration of cells makes one’s flesh soft to the touch; the molecules of bone are configured with a greater density, and so they are hard to the touch; while the density of the molecules of blood is very low, so it’s liquid. Others won’t be able to tell from your appearance what a change you’ve undergone, however, since at the molecular level your cells will retain their original structure and configuration. So the energy inside of you will have changed, even if your cellular structure hasn’t. This means that you will no longer be subject to aging. Your cells will no longer decay and die, and you will forever stay young. So spiritual practice can bring you a youthful look that never fades. It’s only natural that a body like this might still suffer a fracture if hit by a car or bleed if cut by a knife. That’s because its molecular configuration hasn’t changed, even if it is free of aging or metabolic processes. So this is our take on surpassing the five elements. It’s well-founded and can be explained scientifically. It’s unfortunate that terms like this get a bad rap as being religious imaginings when they are carelessly used by people who don’t know what they are talking about. People aren’t familiar with the terms since these have an older, religious background, and aren’t necessarily in the idiom of our day. Next let’s look at what it means to “surpass this mortal realm”—or the “three realms,” as it’s also known. As I explained the other day, perfecting your character is the key to developing higher energy. The qualities of the universe will no longer limit you as they come to define your character. And as your mind elevates, your material virtue will be transformed into higher energy. Eventually this energy will form into a column as it grows and climbs higher. The higher that the column is, the greater your energy. We like to say that “anything is possible through Dafa.” It all comes down to how sincere and committed you are. Any height is possible if you have the grit and tenacity that it takes. And even if you one day have converted all of your white matter, more can still be had by reworking your black matter through suffering. And if that’s still not enough, you can take on the sins of your close friends or family who don’t practice, and increase your energy that way. But, this only applies to you if you have progressed to an extremely advanced stage. You shouldn’t even think of assuming others’ sins when you only recently came into the practice as an ordinary person. That much karma would doom most people’s practice. The guidance I am giving here applies to different stages of practice. “Three realms” is a religious term that describes three hierarchical realms of existence—namely, the “realms” of minor deities, this world, and the underworld. Within these three there are nine major planes of existence, and a total of thirty-three planes in all. An accompanying belief is that all things within the three realms, no matter the plane, reincarnate cyclically and may be reborn on any of several possible tracks. So someone who is a human in this life might become something else, such as an animal, in the next. And so Buddhism has taught that you should really make the most of your life as a human being, for the chance to do spiritual practice might not come again. They say this because animals are forbidden from practicing or hearing the Way. Or if an animal did learn to practice, it would never reap the divine rewards of spiritual effort; higher beings would slay it once it built up much energy. You may have waited hundreds of years, or more, for a human body, only to not cherish it now, when you finally have one. If you reincarnate as a rock, it might be eons before you are freed—if ever. You would never be freed if it didn’t break, crumble, or erode away. Human bodies are not easily come by! A person who truly learns Dafa, the “Great Way,” is incomparably fortunate. This should give you a sense for how hard it is to get a human body. There is such a thing as “levels” of attainment in spiritual practice, and they are simply the outcome of how well you do. If you want to enjoy eternal life, keep on practicing, and when your column of energy reaches to a great height, you will be outside of [the cycle of reincarnation]—or the “three realms.” There are people whose souls leave their bodies when they meditate, and rise to a higher point. One of my students did a write-up about his progress in the practice and described visiting heavenly realms and what he saw there. I told him to try going higher. But he said that he couldn’t go further, and indeed, he wasn’t able to at that point. Why would that be the case, though? It was because he had visited those realms by riding atop his column of energy; it was as high as he could go at the time. Ascending to greater heights, as I had suggested, would mean that he had achieved, to use a religious term for it, “divine standing.” But greater things are still possible for a practitioner. Whatever height you have reached, you can still continue to perfect yourself and advance in your practice. And if, in the process, your energy column breaks through the outer limits of the three realms, then you will have indeed “surpassed” them. We measured it once and determined that the three realms described in some religions lie within the scope of the nine planets; and I should add here that there is no basis for the claim that there are ten planets. I have seen that the energy columns of some past masters had reached great heights and broken through the boundary of the Milky Way, which means that they very much had surpassed the three realms. So it should be clear now that doing so is a matter of spiritual attainment." - From Zhuan Falun, the core book of Falun Dafa. It talks about spiritual things from a scientific perspective. It talks about other dimensions, the soul, the cosmos in the microcosm and the macrocosm, supernatural abilities, karma, healing, the true history of mankind and many other fascinating things: https://www.falundafa.org/eng/eng/pdf/Zhuan-Falun-2018.pdf
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Thestarguitarist14 posted a topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It is interesting how much anime seem to touch upon spirituality. But some actually will dive into it. The most spiritual Anime series dives into spirituality is Mushishi. The star Ginko is pretty much a shaman/healer in ancient Japan. This feels less like an anime and more like Japanese folklore. Episodes go from dealing with dreams, to spirits and etc. Great show. Slow paced and very spiritual. Worth a watch. Wolf’s Rain premise is very much in line with Buddhism dealing with past lives and reincarnation. In this series, worlds are extinct, except for four who transform into humans and are searching for paradise. I watched this anime when I first got seriously into anime and it was the first anime show that I had to do some serious analysis on. When I think about it, this show introduced me to enlightenment as their search for “paradise” turned about to be their search for enlightenment. The score/soundtrack is also amazing, very spiritual, high vibrational music by one of my heroes, Yoko Kanno. The Monogatri series is interesting. Even though it is obviously in Japan, it is immersed into the occult. The lead character is half vampire, the lead female is taken by him to an occultist who aided him to exorcise a demon from her. Full Metal Alchemist is very much intertwined with obviously alchemy (the creator said that she studied alchemy before creating the manga) hermeticism and the occult. Mob Psycho 100 is all about psychic abilities as its lead is a kid with extreme telekinesis abilities. Norgami has all kinds of Eastern spirituality in it. The Melancholy of Haurhi Suzumiya was actually the first time I ever thought of the idea of me being God. I was really getting into law of attraction when I watched that show and it really actually help me a little bit looking back. Ghost Hound (created by the same creator of ghost in the Shell) goes into astral projection. As far as movies, Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away are obvious. But Makoto Shinkai’s work really dives into eastern spirituality in a modern way. His backgrounds alone give you this spiritual vibe. He is more about love. Movies like Five Centimeters per second and the Garden of words show this. But his most famous one, Your name (highest grossing anime film ever) is perhaps his most spiritual in a lot ways as it is really about twin flames. And obviously, Ghost in the Shell delves into a great deal of different philosophies and spiritual concepts.