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Reincarnation. How? That whole idea goes against 'my' direct experience. Yet 'I' believe it might so be the case because 'I' believe highly woke people found it out. So how do I find it out as well? I as an ego am not. So I don't know what reincarnates. There has to be some truth to this. I wanna verify it through experience. If anyone has, please help me. I have 0 experience in this.

One must not assume or mistakenly conceive of creative evolution as different than the totality of universally ageless bondage by a self-consciously perpetuated matrix of karmic pattern-awareness. Karma is not an element of influence acting on a separate realm called creation in that existence is itself nothing but karmic momentum through and through. Karma doesn’t “happen” to you. It already defines your entire reason for being through and through. There is no other reason for being. I hope that fact doesn't shock you. Rest assured that the reality of existential properties falls into neither relative mode of philosophical eternalism nor nihilism. Existence is simply a mystery beyond the ken of empirical scientific method— based simply on the level of its own modalities of currently devised properties attributable to quantum physics. “Karma” isn’t even a thing. To believe it is a thing would be like believing “ego” is an absolute in terms of the identity of the being that is going to die. When it does, it is gone forever. People who actually believe as much are categorical "nihilists". "Eternalism" is a belief in a transmundane "soul" able to perpetuate the ultimate identity of the individual: either by reincarnation or by eternal salvation or damnation. Actually, creation and karma are both references to the mundane, the created, the realm of delusional existence, and all such references fall into the realm of process, time, or, the incremental. Even so, referring to the “transformational” properties attributable to the absolute essence of the created is only a provisional teaching device in that the essence of reality doesn’t change. Why? Nonorigination. Beginningless nonorigination. Beginninglessness isn't a reference to a far away time. It is literally without beginning. Such is the nature of reality, and its essence is awareness. Being uncreated, awareness is void of self and void of emptiness. As such, one's own quality of being is awake. Being is karmic and nonbeing is awake. Obviously, nonbeing is transcendent in its causelessness and being is a process of endless changes. Because one must first see essence oneself in order to “transform” the created into potential is only in a manner of speaking. Why? Because reality and delusion are even now, without a doubt, not different. It is only a matter of one's quality of unobscured clarity into the nature of reality that one realizes delusion or nondifferentiated unity by the being's inherent enlightening function. Why? Because the delusional created realm being none other than enlightenment for those who see essence, who see reality, it follows that those whose Dharma eye is obscured by habit energy (conditioned consciousness) consider enlightenment as something else, something other than their own mind. Even if deluded people afflicted by ignorance of their inherently nonoriginated enlightening function take it upon themselves to mistake the thieving human mentality for sincere open wonder, they still do not see reality and cannot partake of the vehicle of the unconditioned. By seeing reality, one naturally forms a partnership with creation and its karmic changes on par with the Causeless, thereby to transcend endless rounds of birth and death while in the very midst of delusional karmic evolution. This means that seeing delusional existence as potential in reality and not as things relative to the personality, one deals with essence directly and goes along with the uncreated. Ordinary people see transcendent reality as creation and see essence as things, and thereby go along with karmic momentum, changing along with things (birth and death). Though enlightenment and delusion are not different in terms of essence, whether or not people see reality or delusion is a matter of clarity or obscurity, in terms of one’s degree of awakening to self-refining practice. Some people have light karma and some people have heavy karma. But it doesn't matter because the rule is arriving at the cessation of future karmic generation by refining away the karmic basis of the being that is going to die in spite of circumstantial cycles karma of past and present. The simple fact is that if one isn't presently free, one won't be free in the end. The essence of reality has never been other than this very instant. ed note: change "(change)" to "(birth and death)" at end of 6th paragraph

Question what experience do you have before you were born? There is no experience of time before you are born and suddenly you were there. A cosmic sea of infinity and a consciousnesses emerged and became aware. Now imagine that when you die you feel like going to sleep. Your body will slowly lose all the higher functions, complex thinking will shift to just feeling without thought/concepts. You are not your brain and all clusters of cells will experience their own individual deaths. The body will sense that oxygen is depleting and start to tingle and warm up eventually moving towards a state of non-feeling like a sleeping body part. Your body is slowly dissolving and it is peaceful because your worries only happen when the brain is still fighting to maintain it's concepts and ego that wants to survive. The moment you surrender and give in to becoming one with what always had been all worries fade away and you merge with the experience of grandness and Reunion. It feels like that mind that has always so desperately been fighting has now given in and you are coming home to the ethernal. And now knowing that everyone will be with you maybe you can accept death more easily. Now your mind and body have dissolved into infinity. You are back at the place before you were born, timeless. Here comes the part of belief, whoever you were, what you life was about, you must have faith that if you strip everything away and become one you will not be gone but one thing remains. The observer that experiences nothingness is who will always be present. This idea that you will be waiting before waking up is at the core of reincarnation. Now many religions portray their own cultural images and feelings onto this subject but I fully convinced that you should strip away any cultural ideas, these might only be relevant to your early stage in death as you still identify with these concepts and get feeling of guidance until the conceptual thinking has fully dissolved. You have been waiting all this time, timelessly waiting, and now you are here. Where did you come from, what is your intention to keep walking forward and who will you become? Remember that wherever you are you will be at home. Your mind will always give you reasons to suffer but that's because you don't believe or know in who your are unconditional. The fear of something is worse that the thing itself, so be fearless, be mindful and live with feeling and not the mind who tries to conquer and own everything. Live a mindful life, don't get lost in the abyss of fear, unnecessary stress and delusion. You know what to do.

Some people/religions assume there is a reincarnation loop, that only ends with enlightenment. Other people/religions assume there is an afterlife, an earthly heaven with trees flowers etc, or an multiple astrals. A different interpretation is a formless pure light/love interpretation of becoming God. I really really hope that none of those is the case. It seems to me that death is simply the cessation of every "thing". I'm okay with that. I am also not sure about the no-thing-ness. Because as far as I saw into it, life is a dream, and waking up from the illusion by dying might mean that there is a "place" with more substance. Maybe ego death is not the same as actual dying. However it's just a memory for me. As far as my interpretation goes is that this pure consciousness incarnates again and again, but does my perspective incarnate? I don't think so, and hope this isn't the case. A drop goes into the ocean and an after being mixed up an other drop is born out of the ocean. So consciousness reincarnates, but not perspectives. Some people claim that after death we can decide to come back or not. I would love to hear the interpretation of someone who considers himself enlightened enough to get it.

Yesterday something came up. I already knew I had mild anxiety for a few years, but damn, I realised I am afraid of everything. I also of course believe my worldview to be true. I fear the known bad things in life, like torture accidents pain etc. I also fear the unknown "bad things" in life, like something happening that I couldn't have imagined. I fear dying and death, and I fear the possibly endless reincarnation loop, karma and afterlife-hell. I fear becoming insane and interpreting a mental disorder with awakening. I fear uncertainity and not-knowing. I fear time and timelessness. I kind of know that all those fears come from mildly traumatic life experiences, but a part of me believes this worldview to be true. Suffering waiting to happen. I simply don't know what to do with those things that come up, I heard this is a normal process but it kind of feels like I am doing something wrong. I might contemplate about my worldview. Especially about the things I don't want to look at. Any tips?

@hyruga We discussed the topic of reincarnation just a couple of days ago, here's the thread

This has the same problem than reincarnation. Who goes to the hell? Must be the ego. But the ego is illusory, it's formed in this life, is like a clothing that cover the being. But maybe it have a permanence after death.

It's real at stage Purple. At Blue, it turns into Karma. Or perhaps the other way around, I'm not sure. Green reincarnation is the law of conservation.

You really don't need to bring 'souls' and woo woo beliefs into the equation. We know as a matter of fact that the universe is constantly reincarnating. Transition from one form into another. So all humans are really the same being. The universe taking apparently different forms tho. So that's reincarnation. Every new born is you reincarnating.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/716499/reincarnation-REAL-proof-life-after-death WHILE many scientists will dispel the notion of reincarnation as a myth, there are some credible experts out there who believe that it is a genuine phenomenon. Reincarnation is generally a religious concept that implies that upon a select few’s deaths, their soul, mind or conscious is transferred to a new born. It sounds like the stuff of fantasy, but some scientists do believe that it is a feasible concept. Dr Ian Stevenson, former Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia School of Medicine and former chair of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology, dedicated the majority of his career to finding evidence of reincarnation, until his death in 2007. Dr Stevenson claims to have found over 3,000 examples of reincarnation during his time which he shared with the scientific community. In a study titled ‘Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons’, Dr Stevenson used facial recognition to analyse similarities between the claimant and their alleged prior incarnation, while also studying birth marks. He wrote in his study: “About 35 per cent of children who claim to remember previous lives have birthmarks and/or birth defects that they (or adult informants) attribute to wounds on a person whose life the child remembers. The cases of 210 such children have been investigated. “The birthmarks were usually areas of hairless, puckered skin; some were areas of little or no pigmentation (hypopigmented macules); others were areas of increased pigmentation (hyperpigmented nevi). “The birth defects were nearly always of rare types. In cases in which a deceased person was identified the details of whose life unmistakably matched the child’s statements, a close correspondence was nearly always found between the birthmarks and/or birth defects on the child and the wounds on the deceased person. “In 43 of 49 cases in which a medical document (usually a postmortem report) was obtained, it confirmed the correspondence between wounds and birthmarks (or birth defects).” In a separate study, Dr Stevenson interviewed three children who claimed to remember aspects of their previous lives. The children made 30-40 statements each regarding memories that they themselves had not experienced, and through verification, he found that up to 92 per cent of the statements were correct. The article, published on Scientific Exploration, Dr Stevenson wrote: “It was possible in each case to find a family that had lost a member whose life corresponded to the subject’s statements. Read more. https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/716499/reincarnation-REAL-proof-life-after-death?jwsource=cl

Yeah I think it's obvious what Karma is from a oneness view point. If you are the same being in every being. If you are beheading a chicken.. You are the human who's beheading the chicken and the chicken that's getting beheaded simultaneously. So instant karma. It's not a process in time and doesn't require reincarnation because it's hard for us to make sense of how time is illusory and our relative notion of how the universe works are not what's absolutely true.

@Shanmugam In ‘Conversations with God’, God says that Jesus is a reincarnation of a person who had, in a previous life, finished his awakening process, but had decided to come back for the sake of his fellow men.

Reincarnation is real. You'd need to understand what reincarnates though. What is born? What dies?

Nothing is real. Everything is nothing. Therefore, everything is as real as nothing. Dream it up and there it is. (I made all that up to highlight how finicky the word 'real' is....) I don't understand reincarnation honestly because that implies life and death, and I don't understand those concepts.

It's a mystery to me if objects of consciousness like memories reincarnate. But consciousness has no properties at all, so the thing that disappears is the same thing that appears through every being. I however am 90% sure that visual memories of ancestors are in your genome. (Epigenetics proved it with fears). Reincarnation of memories without genetics... I am not sure.

My 3 year old son told me that he hadn’t learned Thai as a second language, he’s always known it. He claimed that he was a Thai man previously and had died when he was 44. He occasionally got excited when he recognised a place that we’d never been before. I didn’t probe him as I didn’t know anything of spirituality until very recently. So I’d be inclined to say reincarnation is a real thing that’s experienced.

@The Lucid DreamerDreamerDreamDreamerDreamerDDreamerDreamerDreamDreamerDrea Woah loved your message. I think you got a solid point. My idea of reincarnation seems it comes from a finite and egocentric point of view, which of course is fundamentally false . Especially loved the parts about "you would have to start living lives at some point" if reincarnation is real, which makes sense. Anyways I guess is something I need a much profound awakening to understand. But thanks all for the messages, also for all the people saying sorry! I must confess my relationship with my father was kind of nasty, so it hasn't been a tough news for me. But i still appreciate the sensibility of this forum of course! Thanks guys ??

Sorry to hear about your loss, bro. Even our "dream" selves, and those we care about, are worthy of being honored. On reincarnation, nobody knows for sure. I find it plausible, but don't know, and don't trust anyone that claims to know. The closest thing I've seen to evidence are the near-death experiences of people that seem credible. If you haven't seen this, I highly encourage watching it, especially given your question:

@Javfly33 I'm sorry to hear that and wish you great strength. Reminds me of Spira's screen-analogy to consciousness. In that analogy your father would be like a character in a movie. In reality he is of course the screen, pretending to be some particular character and when this character dies, then his consciousness doesn't go anywhere (because it was nowhere to begin with). The screen (consciousness) is nowhere and therefore can't go anywhere. @Javfly33 Concerning reincarnation: to be (re)born or to die is to identify with a certain pattern/form. Let's look at a river. "The river" as such doesn't exist, it is a constant flux (hence it's true nature is emptiness/shunyata). As the ancient philosopher Heraklit said "Pantha Rhei" - "everything flows". The moment you identify this pattern as "the river", it is born. But because it ("the river") is always changing, it is also in a constant process of dying. This is the eternal cycle of (re)birth and death: Samsara. Birth and death are identical, because the moment you say "there it is!" - it's gone. Here's another example. Look at the flame of a candle. We say "there is the flame!", whereas in reality, there is no flame, only a hot stream of burning wax. "The flame" as a pattern/form that you could identify as such is of course an illusion - therefore Samsara is just an illusion. And as our last example, let's look at the ocean: there aren't any waves, appearing and disappearing. There's just the Ocean - Nirvana! playing and pretending to be Samsara.

I´ve heard Leo and others saying re-incarnation aint real. However honestly is the only thing that makes sense. 4 days ago my "father" died, and since then, I started to ask myself questions about where his consciousness went. Is the life of my father a "movie" that I as God lived in the past already, and God currently is incarnated in my form? (and now I am seeing how the movie of my father ended knowing about him "dying"?) I know that I am consciousness and this is my dream. But I still have some questions...

I usually don't experience existential anxieties. I'm sure some of you know the short story "The Egg" by Andy Weir. It's about reincarnation and eternity. Since I watched the animated version from kurzgesagt, I now feel some sort of existential anxiety when I think about immortality or eternity. It is just overwhelming. It reminds me of my last trip. Which was a great experience but I also got confronted with eternity. And in my sober state that scares me. Why is that? Because my ego can't comprehend it? I asked myself what exactly I am scared of, and I don't know. Maybe it's the uncertainty. Sometimes I think wether it wouldn't be better if everyone/I was just unconsious for ever (like eternal dreamless sleep). But I guess these thoughts arise from a state of fear. My question is, how to deal with existential fear? Accepting feels difficult. Practice more acceptance? I appreciate your advice

My sense is that there are many levels of manifestation, not just unmanifested vs. manifested. When we die, there seems to be a continued packet of personality, which you can call a ghost, a karmic imprint, or whatever name you choose, which still exists, within its own level of manifestation. Ancient Indian spirituality recognizes this, through the concepts of samsara and reincarnation. Ultimate reabsorption into the unmanifested doesn't happen until paranirvana. But these are only concepts, so I take them with a grain of salt. Donald Hoffman has some interesting ideas on this. Also, there are many instances of near death experiences and supernatural occurrences, some of which seem credible. I have glimpsed some of this, but can't say that I completely understand it. I saw it as a child, denied it as a scientist, and now readmit its possibility.

thanks for the encouragement! Insight on What Suffering Actually Is If the universe is infinite, it means its everything possible. If its everything possible, then it must also be possible to not see the truth/not see how things are. Suffering is literally not seeing how things are/the truth. Suffering = False. Happiness = True. Suffering and Happiness aren't separate to truth. That's a huge mistake I've been making my entire journey. I had this idea in my head that truth was not happiness, and that people who were seeking happiness were not as sincere as people who were seeking truth. This has been shown to be completely hogwash because suffering literally equals not seeing how things are. Woops. So then why do you get happy when playing video games and eating mcdonalds? Because its possible for the ego to play really sneaky games. Its possible for the ego to make you see the truth/outline the truth, when you are conforming with its biases. And its possible for the ego to make you see falsehood when you aren't conforming with its biases. So if you are meditating, and you feel resistance, yet dont feel resistance eating mcdonalds, its because when meditating, your perspective of meditating is wrong. You are believing stuff, have a perspective of meditation that isn't actual. Yet when eating mcdonalds, your perspective is actual, you are in the present moment more, you are enjoying reality more. You need to watch this ego trick very carefully, its a very sneaky trick. Damn, can't get over how I didn't see truth = happiness and suffering literally = false/not actual. @Nahm damn, finally see why you're so LOAish hahaha. You're even wiser then I thought! Why didnt ya tell me this before???? Well now my only option is to reduce suffering and chase happiness, instead of being some grand amazing seeker thats chasing truth because hes so much better and cooler then everyone else. Damn I'm normal, how boring. Sorry Nahm ignore everything after EDIT, I'm just spazzing out hahahahaha. EDIT: ohhhhh damn, the entire point the whole time was just feeling good and reducing suffering. Ohhh damn the rest was deception. ohhhhh damn people told me this and I didn't listen. ohhhh damnnnnnnnnnn. It was so simple. Ohhh god damn jeeeezuz. Pursuing truth, what a load of deception shhhhhhhhhittttttttttttttttttttt. ohhh damn, all that other shit is a distraction. Ohhhh damn it really is. What people say, epistemology, helping others, pursuing truth, meditating, yoga, spiritual path, realizations, is all post the absolute fundamental of feeling good. Feeling good and reducing suffering is literally prior to all of that. Ohhhh damnnnnnnnnnnnn. So deluded hahahahaha. Omigosh. What da fuck. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn understanding how reality works is post feeling goooooooooooooooooood. Knowing how reality works is post feeling goooooooooooooood. Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuk. OMFG, its all just fucking feeling good. Wanting to know how reality works was just reducing suffering. Insights was just reducing suffering. Realizations was just reducing suffering. There's literally nothing over than happiness and veering off seeing that through suffering. What the actual fuck. Can't believe it. I can't know any more than this lol. OMFG there's literally 0 suffering happening now. What the actual fuck, all that reincarnation and enlightenment was all post feeling good. All that infinite and finite shit was post feeling good. OMFG you don't need to have 0 body to have 0 suffering. That was all deception. You don't need to stop eating or doing conditional stuff to have 0 suffering. That was all deception. What in the flying fuck. I can't believe everything was a lie. jeeeezus christ. jeeeezus christ. OMFG "no others", "no ego" is post feeling good. OHHH MYYYY GODDDDD. The universe is groundless is post feeling good. The truth is literally happiness and 0 suffering. No its not knowing shit. Knowing shit is post feeling good. The answer to everything is happiness. I am so happy right now that its scary. I feel like I'm gonna disappear. I feel like the entire universe is just gonna do something radical. Like a breakthrough trip. Like I can't see anything the same way ever again. Ok this is scary. Really scary. Every fucken awakening, contraction/expansion, knowing, new state of consciousness is fucking post feeling good. This is the only thing you can't tell people, because its too obvious and simple. So oneness and everything else is the only way. If you could tell people, they wouldnt need any of that other crap. this is the only thing you cannot explain. This is the only thing you can't know, because knowing is within happiness. jeeezus. christ. OMG, when Leo say "you've cleverly divided yourself" that statement was an example of you cleverly dividing yourself, because its not true. Its suffering. EDIT 2: THE BUDDHA WAS RIGHT EDIT 3: WHAT THE FUCK YOU DOING PLANNING IN THE FUTURE WHEN ITS ABOUT FEELING GOOD NOW EDIT 4: I just got a very unconventional download that the truth is literally what I want. The truth is literally what I want. No like, everything that's happening right now, my entire life, is what I wanted. what???????????????? Well if its not what I wanted, then what's it doing here???????????????????????? Why would I manifest something I didn't want???????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? what in the flying fuck is going on. what the flying fuck. Why is everything in my life happening the exact way I wanted it. I also want to ask whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy That's why I'm asking why. Is the point of life to just realize that what I want is whats happening?

A cure is when you simply get rid of the entire health problem. For example, a surgery that successfully removes all the cancerous cells. In which case all the symptoms have ended. Healing on the other hand, is a process that, whilst it works on the health problem, also inevitably changes every aspect of your life. Healing can even include death. For example, someone who is suffering from cancer and is doing healing can even die from that cancer. In which case, the healing journey continues even after death, onto the soul’s next reincarnation.

Well shit, I mean your description of your spirituality is something I think I can really get behind. Objectivity and honesty are extremely important in the fundamental point being made behind this thread. And then also you think it's beneficial to drop alternative concepts about spirituality and that not all of them are necessary. That's essentially what I'm advocating, although I do think that some of the words and phrases you listed could have pragmatic use. So, hopefully I'm not coming across as a language Nazi, or someone that is being too nit picky. I really do have a purpose behind what I'm saying and believe my perspective could be beneficial to some people. When I talk about concepts that could be discarded I more refer to concepts that sort of divorce themselves from fundamental present reality. An example would be someone saying that there are many levels and layers to awakening and sort of creating a mythological narrative around those awakenings. It almost turns into a sort of new age religion for example when you start talking about how a particularly deep level awakening can end the cycle of reincarnation for example. Something like that is not truth, or presence, it is simply a narrative that your mind made up. There is a ton of ideology mixed into people's spirituality on this forum. It just tends to not be as dogmatic, or literalist as say a fundamentalist Christian. My question is why have any ideology? Or if it's too hard to avoid some level of ideology in regards to your spirituality shouldn't you try to break it down to it's basic and most simple parts? Why do we have to talk about narrative such as spirits, telepathy, past lives, reincarnation, Gods, demons, and play spiritual dragon ball Z with endless levels of awakening and enlightenment? You say you discovered truth, so from that perspective, how do you feel about what I say? I wouldn't question your experience of telepathy. I would only ask what is its significance and how does this experience relate to your spirituality? I've had experiences like the one you describe. I don't know your experience, so I don't want to seem like I think that I understand it better than you do, because I absolutely do not. However, I think with drugs and even in sober reality, there is a vast ability for people to ascribe narrative and significance to reality that is simply falsehood. I think people underestimate how much they tend to mythologize their own experiences, spiritual people are some of the worst offenders of this.