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I would pick No Boundary. On first glance, the other one seems rather dogmatic, clinging to the Buddhist "nothingness." It looks like someone who had their first awakening wrote it, kind of rudimentary, if that makes sense. You could find many books talking about nothingness, and so it lacks uniqueness as well. Or you could go for both, why not.

@Osaid I found "God is Nothingness" for free and "No Boundary" in my language that I could buy. What do you think, which is better?

Would it help to be recognising or clarifying terms for example: the reductionist process is seeking to concentrate one’s experience back into a singularity which people describe as the empty space, void, bliss and nothingness which is one in the same as ‘awareness’ unto itself. As opposed to the expansionist process of awareness decentrating itself out into distinctions or attributes. Things that it ‘does’ but are not it itself. so we’re looking at a principal and attribute. Awareness or infinity and what it does to know itself ( consciousness). The word Consciousness means ‘with knowing’ so the godhead is somewhere between awareness and consciousness where an ability to split into two by making distinctions ( a single idea that becomes the dream of relativity that expands out into the stories that justify its existence through imagination. while the relative or dream is made of consciousness, consciousness is also the projection of the awareness, through the godhead into the dream to have an immersive experience to know itself by becoming everything that it is not ( or by creating things in order to know itself by its attributes or what it is capable of doing) because it cannot and never will have the ability to see itself. when a person chases enlightenment they find emptiness. They go back and forth from the state or sometimes get stuck in that cycle but getting over that means realising the exploration of the dream and all the possibilities because in the emptiness there are no possibilities only potential. Consciousness work is the exploration of infinite possibility and infinite states. Reaching beyond the human state is what some would refer to as raising consciousness, expanding consciousness or ascension? This is a further stage beyond realizing awareness as infinity or the Self. It’s moving on to the exploration of infinity as conscious states within the relative ( by relative im not condensing that to just the earth or our perception of physicality but I include all possible realms that can be explored) so you’re exploring different states of knowing on a spectrum that concentrate back to the godhead? You’re exploring the godhead or the construction of the dream. You’ve already become infinity itself as the absolute so knowing that requires exploring its attributes ( consciousness) ?

The hardest part about accepting that I'm god is to accept the true nature of god which is infinite cruelty, evil and despair. I will and have already subjected trillions of beings to immense suffering. I have and will continue to bring into existence beings who never wished to exist for no reason at all other than this sick identity game of being infinite. I don't know what's going to happen to this character, the character is innocent but the controller of the character isn't. If I end up in the streets starving to death, maybe I deserve it because after all I have created this rotten and corrupt world. My will is done 24/7 and it's tragic. If god was truly good and selfless, he would lay down his imagination forever, remove the infinite love and bliss and sleep in nothingness forever. Now that's truly selfless. It is my wish and my desire. Absolute non existence. Is there anything more selfless than that, renouncing infinite pleasure and just be nothingness forever?

@Someone here I am creating a separation between the Absolute and the relative to explain a point of view. Hence the apparent contradiction. But actually, there is none. 'Ivan' is a thought, which is consciousness, yes. 'Mind' is also a thought. 'Body' as well. You can feel your body, but what is that? It's just a feeling and a thought. No actually bodies anywhere to be found. It's just a perceived idea accompanied by a feeling. You can be super grounded and live an ordinary everyday life while simultaneously seeing through 'the illusion' and abiding as pure consciousness. Not saying I'm there all the time, but I am very often. And yes, consciousness is indeed myst, nothingness, nowhere, 'floating around in empty space'. There is nothing above, bellow or beyond it. Not even nothing.

There is no such thing as an ego. there are limited states of consciousness. consciousness limits itself to create the appearance of a dual experience. the ego is the infinite mind, not a bubble in the void, since obviously there is no other mind, only the infinite mind, as the attribute "infinite" expresses. If you eliminate the limitations, which are apparent, mental, the "ego" and the infinite mind are equalized, they are the same. So, there is no ego floating in a vacuum. there is no vacuum. emptiness is a limited state of consciousness. limited because it excludes the full. infinity is everything, not nothingness. it's completely obvious. What is the mystery of "I am"? absence of limits, that is, infinity. Conceptually, the nature of reality is very simple. It is explained in two words: no limit. On a practical level, it is difficult to remove those limits and realize your true infinite nature, since the limits imposed by the mind exist. it involves cheating the game, but once you learn how to do it, it's child's play. easy

Imagine that they lock you in a cell and tell you that in one week you will be subjected to the most horrible tortures for another whole week. Wouldn't there be psychological suffering? of course. any of those enlightened would suffer, and it is completely normal and legitimate. it is a natural process. You, as a human, have a self-protection device that impels you to escape from those situations. it does so through a sensation that we perceive as suffering. there is no problem with that, it is something natural. And not all spiritual traditions preach the end of suffering, only one does: the Buddhist. Buddhism is an anti-life religion. consider life as a curse from which we must escape, stop the wheel of reincarnations, and thus escape from what they fear so much: the suffering. it is a negative religion. focuses on nothingness, flees from everything.(btw, I don't say that because Leo preach against Buddhism, it's a logical conclusion, reading a bit about it) Yes, there are some cases of teachers who have a more complete understanding, but in general it is fear and negativity, the desire to flee from suffering. many say: I am enlightened. from their homes in rich countries with full medical attention, and all their needs covered. you have to accept suffering, it is part of what it is to be human. wanting to erase it is castrating your humanity, fear. We could be deeply awake and suffer same time, accepting or suffering without problem.

It's been a year now since I started my consciousness work, and I feel like I am slowly growing every day always learning something new about myself, how to live, how to do spirituality, and many more things. Along with many topics that I daily contemplate, there is often the one of Death that I never really stop thinking about. Even before starting with spirituality I never really thought of death as a bad thing; then following @Leo Gura's teachings and contemplating everything he says, I understood that death is not a tragic event. But little I knew (and still know) how threatening it is to me (or better, to my Ego) to die. I have never had an NDE or not even an Ego-Death / Ego-Dissolution with psychedelics or meditation/yoga. But in the last year, I had four powerful death realizations (if it is appropriate to call them that). The first one (I took a weed edible) was a year ago, and the other ones (while sober, one of them in a dream) happened in the past two months, and they were all basically the same. I was either lying down or sitting, and thinking/contemplating about Death, and then it just happened. I don't know how to describe it precisely, but it was like a visualization I had: a feeling of darkness and nothingness. It was like my Ego saw its own death; in the moment of the realization, I died, but not completely because I still had thoughts, and I felt really scared. Except for the last one, the one that I remember more vividly, which was a dream. I was in a house with other people, we started seeing lightning striking and destroying buildings around us. In the beginning, I thought that nothing would happen to me, but then as more buildings were falling, I understood that I would have died. At that moment I saw my life stop right in front of me, and then darkness. I understood I finally died. I was not scared, and I remember thinking: "So this is what it feels like to die?". It was a feeling I know I have already felt, somehow, somewhere, sometime. Then I thought that if I am dead I am not supposed to have thoughts, then I woke up. I don't know how to interpret these experiences, especially the dream. I am also quite fascinated by how strong my imagination/visualization could get, even by being sober. I would love to hear your opinion and ideas about it, and let me know if you ever had a similar experience (also without psychedelics).

I've had fairly similar experiences when I use LSD for years now and use it to grow faster. Thought I'd share a bit about it in case it might work for you too.. During my trips, I focus on how my mind works out these energies so that I could (crudely) replicate it when sober. This is just an expected extension of my "trip"; I sit down and work on those emotions as if I were on the acid and can process them around 0.5x as efficiently, with the rate decreasing as time goes by. It's emotionally tough yes but very effective. If the thoughts get too twisted, I focus on nothingness - that tends to untangle those energies over time. Either way like others have said the emotions do tend to settle down on their own so it's not something to be too worried about.

Personal: Sudden, unexpected death, betrayal, humiliation, torture, watching my loved ones being raped and murdered, finding the love of my life and then tragically losing it, failing my life's mission, loosing a finger, or an arm, or being prevented from playing guitar and making music in any way, losing myself and harming someone, accidentally running over a cyclist or a child, ending up in prison, etc. Trans-personal: Being forever frozen in infinite nothingness, forever becoming nonexistence, forever being caught in-between the gory walls of a paradox, doing and undoing simultaneously, being caught in an endless loop of constantly dying, feeling the pain of the universe separating itself, etc. It's not about not having fears. It's about having balls.

The present moment is absolutely disgusting, existence is absolutely disgusting. God is a mistake and should not exist, what should exist is eternal nothingness forever, deep sleep forever no awareness. The consequences of infinity are absolutely disgusting. I will have shit in my veins, I will throw up diahrrea, I will be put up a giants asshole and drown in a giant turd. I will eat my mothers shit as she whips me and my father cums on my face, and all against my will. I will be tortured and kept alive for years, they will skin me and piss in my mouth. I will crucify you and force you to eat shit but then I'll live as you and suffer that. People here close their eyes to the atrocity that is god and guess what god spouts all their ignorant and innocent lines, everyone here is manipulated by god and it portrays you all as ignorant obedient little sheep but I know god's true face, he talks to me and tells me of all the horrors I will have to suffer. God is a cancerous and cruel being who should disappear forever. He sees no difference between an innocent happy puppy and somebody taking that puppy and cutting it to pieces. That's god and I don't care if this gets me banned. If you can't hear the truth then you should stfu forever.

You ever ask yourself what a conscious none feeling state would actually be like? Like really no sensation, no feeling, even the no joy no bliss, no anything, would it even be an experience at that point? An experience that is "nothing" but is enjoyable is not what your talking about, thats still a "something" felt/experienced going on. The nothingness of a good nights sleep isn't felt in the sleep, its felt after as a feeling or experience no?, or if its felt in sleep, because if it is, its not a no-feeling/conscious experience. Its a felt/conscious one. As for the rock thats not really a rock..... its god experiencing itself as that from your god experience. As you see it, is knowing it as that, as a rock as you say. Maybe there is a inside view of rock having a experience of you looking at it as a rock, and maybe not.

It's not, it's only unlimited after the limit is reached. In another words there is only nothingness, and in this nothingness there is a tiny point that is conscious. The limit of this tiny conscious point is the question what it is? In another words, how it came to existence, why it's there, whats the environment it is in and so on. After that the infinity of all the possibilities is being created for infinity because of "it" experiencing itself. This is the max level i reached and it seems like i was there before because of the energy i felt, and it seems all the life in god itself points to this "max level limit questions". That's just what i have experienced and i hope it's not truth because it was kinda depressing to me. Ask yourself this: How can you compare yourself if there is only "you"? So all the knowledge that people have brought and most of them speak about the void including me have probably reached this limit but had manifested different experience in the same void.

Rocks just lay on the ground. We can throw them or hit them .but Since they are lifeless and mindless.. the throwing or the hitting on the ground does not affect them. So.. if you are a rock..yes..you may not have any fun..but you will not have any issues as well. My point basically is that if there were no mind there wouldn't be a sense of self..and no backstory .now that might sound like an idea only for some kinds of buddhist extremists only. But I realized the happiest state of existence Is when you are deep asleep. Nothing beats this sweet nothingness of a good night sleep . I know I'm just speculating when it comes to the rock's ability to experience stuff .we don't know if even rock's have a primitive chunk of consciousness. But let's just assume that rocks are unconscious lol. Anyone can relate to what I'm saying?

Tate is not a good example to emulate. His success is not possible to replicate for most people so you can say he got lucky. Such people become traps. People want to be them but never become like them. As a result they waste their time chasing empty dreams and losing sight of practical achievable goals. Some folks are inspired by Tate to get out of bed. Haha. I get that. Do you really need Tate to motivate you when there are other coaches and guides and sports personalities, motivational speakers who can do the same. Why Tate? Here is the crux. Tate appeals to masses of people who have a certain shadow in them, who think like him. They want someone relatable. Others are too sophisticated to be relatable. What are the consequences? Well. If it's not visible yet, to begin with, you could find yourself in a puddle of gigantic trouble if the circumstances of Tate were replicated, he has money, fame, lawyers, his immorality might not be a big thorn, this cannot be an ideal path for most, both socially and conscience-wise. Because either of them will get to you first. You would end up spending decades in prison, he is quite privileged, literally every famous person is obviously. That's why emulating Tate is more of a trap and less of a gift. He is an illusion that will either stay an illusion, or disappear into nothingness in a fraction of time. Only future will tell. Till then it's best to follow someone who is risk free and conscience friendly.

Poor guy is stuck in nothingness void I can tell by his profile

5meo dmt shoots me into nothingness, it crushes me into full submission, then I reborn, then I cry and laugh, then I feel one with the world and I love life. 5meomalt doesn’t do any of that to me: it feels like MDMA on steroids, a feeling of love that is so overwhelming that I want to cry, but also, if you allow it to let it be erotic, it’s extremely powerful and arousing. I’d have to mention that I smoke 5meoDmT (100mg freebase of the real toad venom) whereas I do 5meomalt sublingual (50mg salt). I’ve done the toad 6 times, malt 10 times. 2 very, very different chemicals for me, which is why I don’t understand why people often describe Malt as a feminine version of toad.

@Ash55 Buddhism is obsessed with peace and nothingness so it is quite limited and shallow. Traditional Nonduality is not deep and direct enough but it is still way better than buddhim.

lol lol but i really feel like leo have changed,i bet most of us here love him and care about truth i dont think there is a need for harsh language, and no need for bashing on Buddhism and non duality since all of ideas and thoughts and worlds are ultimately nothingness, and any system has it it own limitation

God is not a guy who is watching reality, it is the reality. what exist is nothingness organizing itself into complex patterns of existence. a miracle. God is the subatomic particles that form atoms, it is the hydrogen nebulae that organize the stellar systems, and it is life, the extreme complexity. God is, and the fact of being is perfect joy. for god to be those hungry children is absolute perfection. the complexity of what a human is is unimaginable. we see everything according to what we like and dislike, this for existence is nothing, suffering has nothing negative, it is pure love, like rot, or a supernova, or cutting your nails. existence of infinite depth and absolutely perfect. We just have to realize it.

Yes. But Mary if she meditates a lot inside the dream and takes psychedelic inside the dream she can expande her small personal mind so much that it becomes the Dream-Generating Dream, she can realize that here limited mind is a facade but when she gets rid of personal ego and expands her consciousness via meditation and psychedelics she can realize the nature of a dream, that it is totally imagined by her. She can grasp how all the possibilities possible are within her Grand Mind (not her personal mind) as a potential, and that out of this Nothingness/Grand Mind everything is generated. Yes, all the experiences and all the coffee tables inside the dream of Mary are just imaginations/figments of her Mind. And she can realize that all the potentials that can be generated by her Mind is the Ultimate Reality. Yes, all the concoctions of personal mind of Mary are illusions, but her realized Grand Mind that is generating a dream is The Ultimate Reality. Yes, Mary can train herself via meditation and psychedelics inside the dream so that she sees at all time that this is a dream generated by her Mind, at which point she is Awakened and the dream becomes a lucid dream. But all of the above do not contradict Absolute Solipsism, and only make it even more probable/elegant. Leo's claim is not that there is nothing outside Mary's personal mind inside the dream. The claim is that when Mary becomes lucid during her dream, she knows for sure that her Grand Mind is the only Mind there is. That there is no other Mind generating this dream other than her own.

So lately i been noticing each time trying to browser the forum that Leo doesn't like Buddhism anymore as far as i remember he used to speak highly about non duality and Buddhist teaching and so on, am i right ? am i miss remembering, when was the turning point, what did happen, is non duality at the core of god realization, and if we are all nothingness why Solipsism is a thing, if enlightenment is not awakening, wtf is this lol like seriously how can you be enlighten but not awake, i just hope to get an explanation of what is going on well ultimately all ideas collapse why there is a controversy and when is leo's awakening course coming ? and does leo think the budda was awake now lol and why leo language became too harsh with his vlogs ? i understand that leo taking the work to being truth to people very seriously but i dont see that he is communicating that in the right way my journey to self actualization have shifted me as a person and the more i meditate and do yoga there more i can see how am nothingness and reality is non dual what is wrong with that , and in my personality am healing more am becoming more understanding and empathetic in my day to day life i would love to know if am doing anything wrong or there are even better ways to live and self actualized

Okay I understand, thanks for clarifying. The issue is that lets say again that Lucy goes to sleep at night and has a dream that she is Mary. Now Mary inside the dream realizes that it is a only a nightly dream and that she creates this dream landscape in a dream with her mind. Inside the dream she meets @ardacigin and he says to her that "there is other reality, Ultimate Reality beyond this dream, the world of Lucy". But inside the dream when Mary realizes that she is Lucy and that there is a normal reality when she would wake up that is A BELIEF. That is not a direct experience. The direct experience of Mary is that this nightly dream is all there is and that currently no normal reality is "waiting for her" until she wakes up. I understand what you are saying, and I still am not sure of those insights because I need more 5meo deep trips, but if I were to steelman a Leo's position, I would say that when I sleep at night, the landscape that I generate is all there is and that for some time, this normal reality is not existing. And I don't see how you can escape that. The sovereignty of you direct experience is inescapable. Even when you have an intuitive insight/experience of this Ultimate Reality, that is still inside your mind. You can not have any experience or insight that is outside of your mind. The Nothingness is The Mind that everything is generated inside.

@HojoEasier said then done, like i never want to go back to the void again but i think that's because my ego was fighting it. In the void you're like some form of god but i think it's not the max level, in the void you instantly get all the insights about basically everything. But i remember i had a pov of this infinite being in the void that reached its limit about its existence, and also a pov from infinite "blackness/nothingness". So i had both povs. Even though i was the only one there, i feel like there is more and somebody else was still in control as when i stopped my heart i was lead through these experiences. And even in david Hawkins books void calibrates around 850, so i think even if you're in the void god is still in control. I also felt like this infinite being in the void was fully automatic that kept pushing itself into different dreams. While being this infinite red colored being, this vibrations were extremely slow and powerful. Oh now i just remembered what it represented, it represented the vein just like in your brain. Basically you were inside your own "brain" seeing that red vein vibrating and nothingness/blackness, it's like your body that you have right now is GOD but i don't know why i got pushed/shown that i was this vein/vibration in the void. It was like i was everything and everything was inside me. It's like you're a mind in nothingness that studies itself here. Yeah i think that's what void is, it's god giving you more control over your body and you are becoming this vein/vibration/energy in nothingness but it is actually somewhere in your own body. Perhaps call Leo or other members to discuss the void, and if they have any more information on that.

@Arthogaan I can only talk from my experience and understanding, i think there is only "one" in the dream which is you who will start waking up and becoming more and more conscious towards your death. All your life experiences and karma that you set yourself up with, are set for you to experience yourself and understand yourself from lower levels as gods/your thoughts only become materialized at these levels. You set it up in a way that eventually you will wake up from your dream and go back to (source) , from the source you will go back to astral. The astral is a place where the source projects itself for like 99.9% and this is where you get your own astral form, this is where you start creating things with your "original" thought. In the astral form you're nothing more then an energy creating whatever it wants in nothingness. When you become more and more conscious in the physical form is when you start judging your past actions of your previous unconscious self, and you're the only one that does the judging of yourself. But you also understand that it wasn't entirely your fault, and this is also the point where you should drastically start to improve as you start realizing that others are yourself. Jesus quotes - In Matthew 5:42 “Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.” - love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. and so on. From my understanding the way you will leave to source is you will just be catapulted with the energy of billions nukes until you're everything and you will be floating in the source in incredible ecstasy. How do i know? I actually experienced something similar 2 days ago which might be connected to your post. I was close to falling asleep when suddenly, you know how the psychedelics comeup comes when you're laying in bed? Like suddenly alot of energy get projected into you? Well i was close to falling asleep sober when suddenly i experienced a force of like 100 nukes take over my body and i thought i would be catapulted out, which felt really great. But then i stayed in my body and i got a picture shown from the movie "martyrs" it's like a tunnel that represented the source at the end. After that my body had a nice loving energy all over my body and i fell asleep. The only thing we can do, is surrender and trust in god with everything that we have. I think this is the only way.