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To tie this into the rest of the conversation, I think the punchline would be that if a normal human managed to hear this "alien music" using his dualistic biases and biological ears, he would struggle to make any sense of it. It would feel like ugly gibberish since it directly threatens his preferred human musical sensemaking. That is, unless the human were clever enough to understand his own limits. If the human were able to question his own ideas of beauty, he may be open to levels of beauty/truth/resonance/cognition beyond his current grasp.

Enormous group-think. Ungodly amounts of group-think haha. I'm going to give this a sincere shot off the cuff But i'll need thousands more hours of solitude + 5meo to have a definitive answer (lol) --- An alien consciousness would not differentiate between sound and other sense perceptions. An alien consciousness would not arbitrarily find some tones more beautiful than others, unless it decreed so for the sake of more interesting holistic interplay. An alien consciousness would spawn and discover aesthetics of music beyond all recognition - novel aesthetics spun out of thin air - and yet this new aesthetic will not be random. It would have an immaculate meta-balance that only the alien can appreciate. It strikes balance outside of the box which cannot be appreciated from within the box. An alien consciousness does not need ears nor a body. Therefore an alien consciousness "listening to music" = MIND reconfiguring itself to please itself spontaneously using original, never-before-woven aesthetics born of sonic frequencies that bleed into the rest of MIND in an incestuous, ouroboros-like manner. Striking an intelligent balance too majestic for a mere human to comprehend, being totally alone in its appreciation, it marvels at its magnitude and whimsy. The whole thing is more beautiful than anything it has ever witnessed, and yet it's a joke. Just another day for MIND.

What i mean is that LSD is more stimulating; Not only are there more unpleasant side effects (tight jaw, vasoconstriction, walking and acting like a Fallout robot at x3 speed...) but the trips are particularly manic and strange. Lots of aggressive sexual energy with magenta, chrome visuals, and succession of white and black lines. Crazy ideas, completely alien experiences (best point of LSD for me).

I have watched it. Loved it. I had two major encounters with extraterrestrials in my dreams. The first dream was about 2 or 3 years ago, and the second was a few months ago. Both dreams felt externally real, my senses were super sharp, and I was very awake and conscious in those dreams compared to other dreams. Those were more like spontaneous astral projections rather than regular dreams. In both dreams, I was very frightened by the encounters. In the first dream, a round-shaped UFO came directly to my window and communicated with me through telepathy. The voices inside the UFO were radiating so much love toward me, but I was so afraid of the UFO and its energy that I immediately closed the window and woke up. In the second dream, I saw UFOs hovering in the sky with green lights and felt a strong alien presence, as if something was standing very close to me and I could feel its breath. I caught a glimpse of the shadow of a hominid for a split second, and I was so terrified that I couldn’t bear it. I thought I was about to go mad because it felt so real. My monkey mind couldn’t handle it, it was so difficult to tolerate. Their energy was completely different, something out of this world. Those dreams left me completely restless, especially the first one. Before the first dream, I had never thought about extraterrestrials seriously. But since then, I feel like I have so many unanswered questions and so much curiosity that I can’t satisfy because there isn’t much tangible information about them.

I thought her advice was useful. Most people need very basic advice. Not alien fucking God consciousness.

Only if an alien race comes down and starts farming humans for meat and milking them.

Well..you want to say that the absolute or the true nature of existence is not a "he"(or she )? Meaning it is not a sentient being like a human or animal or alien etc ? Well look at your own self . Aren't you a sentient being ? Why is it so far fetched to think the source of you as a conscious person is also a conscious person? In the end ..The duality between personal and impersonal must collapse at the absolute level because like I said its ineffable and beyond words . You can call it absence of limits..you can call it god ..you can call it "42"..etc these are just words . The thing which the words point to can only be accessed by the spiritual seeker himself. That's why different religions and spiritual traditions describe the absolute in slightly different ways..it's impersonal In Hinduism but personal in Abrahamic religions. Etc

Exactly, you assume things. You didn't read carefully my post. I wasn't walking. "Whitnissing every technology, every alien race, every dimension with different beings" this part again proves the point that you have never done 5MeO-DMT and never had a break-throuhg on it. You have ideas and assumptions.

You still didnt go deep enough just saying from what i've heard from others. The states/dimensions/infinity is within you, because you said you kept vaping the pen i assume you were walking around. And when you walk around and not go within you can only go so far. You also said you were shaking which says enough to me that you wouldn't be able to completely surrender and resist. (Achieving higher and higher states is about surrender) In one of the higher 5 meo states you would witness every technology, every alien race, every dimension with different beings, have a choice where you want to go and restart the game/life , go back in time 1960 and reincarnate there for example. This is final enlightenment, and it's all about surrendering

1. 4:43 - Knowing what is and experiencing a Samadhi / mystical experience 2. 6:12 - No-self 3. 8:05 - I AM 4. 11:35 - Omnipresence 5. 13:04 - Realizing what consciousness is 6. 14:33 - Realizing what is awakening 7. 16:54 - Oneness or non-duality 8. 19:31 - Realizing what is Truth 9. 20:30 - Realizing what is the Absolute 10. 21:37 - Absolute Infinity 11. 23:06 - Absolute Nothingness 12. 24:25 - Knowing why is there something rather than nothing 13. 25:51 - Knowing what is God 14. 26:45 - The Godhead 15. 27:06 - Realizing You are God 16. 29:41 - Self = Other 17. 32:46 - Realizing what is Love 18. 35:45 - Realizing everything is imaginary (All is Mind) 19. 38:35 - Self-Design 20. 40:49 - Realizing what your birth really is 21. 42:42 - Eternity / No-Time / Absolute Now 22. 44:10 - Realization of what is Death and Immortality 23. 46:15 - Paradise / Heaven / Perfection 24. 47:51 - Bliss / Ecstasy 25. 49:29 - Infinite Intelligence 26. 53:26 - Absolute Goodness 27. 54:28 - Realizing what is Will (Infinite Will of God) 28. 58:10 - Omniscience 29. 59:18 - Divinity / Magic / Mystery 30. 1:01:05 - Realizing what is Being 31. 1:02:14 - Realizing Universe is an Infinite Fractal 32. 1:02:39 - Realizing what is Perception 33. 1:03:14 - Realizing what is Life 34. 1:04:29 - Realizing the point of Existence Bonus facets: 1. 1:05:19 - Channeling / Communication with God 2. 1:06:03 - Healing 3. 1:06:44 - Collective Consciousness 4. 1:07:13 - Total Extinction of Perception 5. 1:07:43 - Paranormal Phenomena 6. 1:08:22 - Alien Entities

I became an intelligent alien mouse.

According to who? this is just your pet theory. Do you have any experience running advanced civilizations? Do you know of many hyper advanced alien civilizations and have studied their history to make such claims? And what makes you think that your measure and definition of the intelligence is the right one and the one that we should follow? There are many different types of intelligence.

@The Crocodile @Leo Gura How crazy are their claims compared to the claim of turning into an alien on camera?

Yeah but you can expand his question further. Why don't we look like aliens in some other universe. Why are we humans not some other organism on some other planet. Or maybe there aren't planets or the same laws of physics. Or even physics at all. A quote from Leo's Oneness video: "And whatever it's got there it's got there" The answer is because it's an allowed possibility whose potential is being actualized or lived through. All possibilities must be allowed. Maybe next time you'll be that an alien in some alternate universe. And whatever it has there it has there.

In my case it appeared without wanting it, i was tired and sometimes confused, in the morning i felt a vibration on the side of my skull before feeling myself "leaving" in a kind of lucid dream or astral travel, hard to say, and i came back to reality in a panic most of the time. Something like that happened to me two weeks ago, i was conscious enough to play at getting closer to the dream or reality consciously, it was weird because focusing on the dream made me come back to reality and to get closer it was a more twisted effort that i do not control. Yes but you you're not normal you're an alien. Yes Worst rabbit hole 😅 smokes changa instead. Low glutamate feels like severe depression (or on the contrary great comfort, it's very individual) where things seem unreal, looking at a cloud in the sky seems cartoonish or something. High doses of Ketamine are one of the strangest feelings in the world, with this feeling of unreality and distance. High glutamate feels like a manic, excited state with an attraction to order, hygiene etc and possibly some sociopathic behaviors. The vibrations spinal cord thing made me think of that, but maybe it has nothing to do with it of course. Food deprivation probably increases serotonin because of the lack of calories, and the use of ketone bodies is supposed to make you feel a little more "drunk".

Another norm in the pre modern world that we judge from the vantage point of the modern world where we sit. To us it’s crazy for sure. When people judge the Islamic period of Prophet Muhammad for this they usually overlook the fact that similar practices were widespread across the world for centuries afterward, including in medieval Europe, which came several hundred years later. What we consider child marriage today was a universal societal norms tied to survival and practicality in premodern times. Concepts like childhood and adolescence, or the idea of delaying marriage didn’t even exist because life expectancy was so low. Things only changed with modern advancements in life expectancy, education, and economics. In the US for example, child marriage laws have only recently gotten serious about setting 18 as a hard minimum with no exceptions. 13 out of 50 states, roughly 25% - have instituted a full ban on under 18 marriage. These were only enacted from 2018, shockingly.The rest still allow exceptions based on parental or judicial approval. The ink is still drying on most of these regulations which is odd considering our norms have shifted well away from that reality. When looking at a norm 1’400 years ago under conditions we can barely relate to today, it helps to remember that our “modern” standards haven’t even codified yet into law what feels alien to us today - maybe that indicates how far and fast we’ve advanced - that’s great. A interesting video on this, although the guys being cheeky with his framing and usual digs at the West, but insightful nonetheless:

You reached infinite insanity and alien consciousness but have you ever reached infinite stupidity consciousness?

To me, you are a genetic freak. I think most genetic freaks are absolutely exceptional in one domain (sport, music, mathematics, or any other), but rather normal, or even below average, in other domains. You're talking in this post as if your kind of intelligence and the understanding of mind weren't a big deal, but it is such a big deal. If you didn't have all those important qualities and interests, at such depths, and all combined, Actualized.org would not exist, or it wouldn't be of this quality. You're not just a bit good at what you're doing… you're phenomenal. Literally no one can match your quality of thinking and your understanding, and the broadness of it. Isn't that what we mean by genetic freak? No one can beat the most talented chess player, the most talented cyclist, or the tallest man in the world. They all have something so unique about themselves that they end up alone at the top. And I think that's where you are. Alone at the top. No one can match you or catch up with you. No amount of tripping or thinking or contemplation can bring others to where you're at. Almost no one (or no one) even desires to understand mind as much as you do. There is something so different about you, and I think that difference comes from a very deep place. You remember your blog post about "Spawn Count"? I know you don't like this kind of spirituality and that you don't even believe in souls, so I apologize for bringing this up, but I think that you are so different because you aren't of human origins to begin with. It makes a lot of sense to me that you are from another place in the universe, whatever that is and whatever that means. It looks like you've come here to accomplish something important… but that this planet isn't your home. This planet is no one's true home, as we're all "spiritual beings", but this looks even more true for you. - As a side note, I am hesitant to write these three last paragraphs, as talking about souls and the like is a rather sensitive topic, but to me, it's no wonder you're the one who discovered Alien Consciousness, Alien Intelligence, and Alien God. Who else could have done it? You're not just any Alien, you're a masterful one.

Yeah, I feel the same actually. I have almost listened to all your videos on youtube expect from the videos you begin with a warning e.g social matrix. why, because I know myself, and me having anxiety is not an good combo. so not any criticism there. The biggest reason why I like this forum is politics, dating and news, love that stuff, expescally your @Leo Gura polticts take,they really resonate with me. So all this misanthropy or negativity about life makes me depressed, especially on the blog post,you click on the site and get hit in the face with humans aint shit. I just want to get more joyful in life, and understand the world to an reasonably degree, the alien stuff is not for me, thats okey but I hope there will be positive content here aswell. just felt this since the trump election, made me depressed for a month

I get disguisted just by watching it on the screen, these guy's stomachs must be something else even if they are wearing hazmat suits. I would prefer to just set the whole thing ablaze by a flamethrower, honestly Btw it's crazy that there are people on this planet that differ so much from us in terms of their language and alphabet. Part of me feels like I am watching alien comercial

I woke up. I couldn't sleep well. Last night I had dreams of flying to an alien place in the universe. It was weird because I was flying with some Donald Trump kind of man. So weird. Time to take the next few steps. I was thinking about dying my hair red or some funky color haha.

I visit other dimensions I lost all contact with my body and went into my eyes and it felt like a 2d dimension where I could just move from one side of my vision to the other and up and down, not move my head at all. Reality turned very sharp and crystallized and turned into a board game and I felt like I was playing every peice on the board game at the same time.The board game looked like a mayan calender with all those little men and pictures of faces. It felt like I had 100 arms and was moving every peice at the same time including my own at lightning speed. Then it felt like I went to a 1 dimensional state where I was just looking but couldnt move my head or eyes up or down or side to side I was just looking at one big picture. And it was like reality was made of a long string of rooms going from left to right. I was moving left and right through rooms I stopped at a purple room it was a doctor office. There was a green alien with a stick pointing at a chair and then I felt an immense pressure and sound like squeezing the last of toothpaste going from the right side of my field to the left. It felt like I was a tube and this printer thing was putting pressure of forgetfulness into my consciousness and it was squishing me to mind wipe me and I will forget what is happening. I suddenly gained the ability to move around in the room and I was running towards the left side of the room with my eyes trying to get away from the mind wipe but it got me as it was running me over to squeeze out my memories I start chanting I am I am I am I am I am. Then I was kicked out and there was like waves of blue and red and purple light that made reality. I was coming back but I couldnt see my body yet it looked like my body was under a blanket of red and purple and blue waves of light. I stopped moving to observe and I found I was quickly forgetting I had a body, then I started to feel scared so I got up to walk around and I could now see my body. I saw a massive outline of a square in my perceptual field and it looked like I was in the editor mode of reality. For some reason it felt like I could spawn anything in this mode so I tried but nothing happened. Then I sat down and I zonked out of my body again and I am inside and outside in dark cavern and there is an infinite library of books. I am inside and outside the library at the same time, the version of me inside the library is grabbing algorithms for the version of me outside the library. I can see it looking in a book pointing at an algorithm and ripping the page out and throwing it into the air to the version of me that isnt in the library, it says 'This is you' when it does it. It does it 3 more times and then I am in a different library now it is very fancy and the same thing happen there. Then I leave and I come back into my regular state and I am looking at my cat and I see that this is the same cat I have had since the dawn of time and I created it to keep me company when I am lonely. I saw my cat shift through different times and it made me very sad but happy that I could do such a beautiful thing anyway.

Check out this Taliban spokesperson speak: The audacity of the following interviewer asking how does the Taliban government benefit Western countries just over 2 min in. This is what the Global South have had to deal with: Check out the vlogger Arab currently chilling with some Talibros: There is a problem of thinking something - a book or religous text in this case - is THE truth vs speaks on or about the truth. That’s what causes people to take a literalist approach vs a more metaphorical and flexible one. Also, it can take extensive study and understanding to know how to implement something - there is a lot of jurisprudence and debate within Islam. It’s not as simple as “God said something on page 42 so we do it” - the context and interaction with the entirety of the text has to be taken into account. Most muslim women aren’t being forced into marriage or to wear hijab even. Of course there’s extreme cases, but in general it’s not the rule. In fact some women who try wear the hijab in Western countries find it can be challenging - not because of being forced to but by how they are perceived and can be treated by non Muslims. Odd looks, a rude comment here and there, thankfully not frequently - people act as if it’s easy for them to do but it’s the opposite which challenges their “belief system” and faith in how they conduct themselves. Even men should adhere to modest dressing. Some Muslim gym bros tell their other bros not to wear such tight fitting clothes that show off their muscles to the “sistas” lol. Some of you act like Islam is some alien oppressive thing and misunderstand how a lot of Muslims live day to day. For relationships also, in general men and women are introduced by family / friends, but the choice is up to them whether they want to marry. It’s not arranged marriage as much as it is arranged introductions.

Mankind are not good or evil, we just are. We act based on our evolutionary impulses derived over a couple million years of evolution. The fact we can conceptualize good and evil and define morality is an amazing trait, but not everyone is going to share that morality because for example, a certain percentage of the population are born psychopaths, or with the drive to kill (not a fan of using TV series as example of life but everyone loves Dexter, the serial killer who kills other serial killers) .. why are crime dramas the most popular TV series out there? The real solution to the problems of our species will come from science and genetic engineering, in my opinion. That assumes you can trust the people doing the engineering, and trust those in charge to do it properly. We need to re-wire the DNA of our hardware programming first. Otherwise we have too many neurotic animal traits left within our genetic makeup. That or massive cultural brainwashing from birth in a sort of autocratic system where people are forced brainwashed with "utopian values" but good luck with that. That or time, thousands of years more evolution, but with the way technology is progressing we are going to break this simulation before that happens. Overall I'd say you will never save everyone... the best you can hope for is a society that works best for the most individuals, which western society mostly does okay. I've often thought about visiting China and spending time there just to see how a supposedly better managed dictatorship functions. My exposure to China is limited to watching "The China Show" and then watching people like "Because I'm lizzy" who show the positive side. Autocracy is really leadership dependent more than other systems, and they can't be a stage green because as morally nice as greens are, a society run by them would collapse. Green values can't work in a vacuum. They violate the laws of nature. That aside, I agree with you... mankind is not inherently "good" ... then again no species acts out of "goodness" they do it because it benefits the propagation of their DNA in some way. "Good" can do this, but it doesn't mean everyone is programmed to do this. Nature is perfect balance to keep any one species from dominating, until humans came along that is. Nature is also full of suffering and competition along with death... it's everywhere if you care to look. It's amazing we've managed the level of self regulation that we have given how we used to behave even 50 years ago much less 150 when we'd move into an area and shoot every animal we saw. Progressives have done a good job making sure our base nature doesn't totally rape this planet, but even then that's because it's within our DNA to behave this way. Still have a ways to go because we still have a consumption driven society where central bankers want people to buy new things because economic activity is necessary to keep economic systems from imploding with all their unfunded liabilities (social security, paid maternity leave, "free" health care, etc) That said a lot of the geopolitical talk in this thread is outside my scope of understanding. It's all just our genetic programming acting itself out on the global stage. I asked the AI chatbot Gemini the other day whether an alien species would be compassionate and share our morality or not and got an interesting response I agreed with. Everyone here assumes morality is a trait inherit to life when it really isn't. Good thing interstellar travel is so difficult. I guess the creators/engineers of this video game knew what they were doing in that regard. Lots of different planets each inaccessible to one another in which we can try out a different "game" with infinite variety, infinite diversity, but not necessarily morality. Assuming an alcubierre drive is even possible, an alien species would probably have mastered their base impulses and genetic engineering before they ever had the ability to invent one and probably not go out with a goal to conquer other planets with sentient species, given how many planets they'd have to choose from that are uninhabited by sentient life. (99.9% of them)

Over the course of roughly the past year I have had several profound psychedelic breakthrough like experiences whilst in a completely sober state that are bear an extreme qualitative resemblance to various tryptamine substances such as LSD, Psilocybin and especially DMT. For context I have 10 years of experience with daily nondual meditation and have had peak nondual unitive experiences as a result. I have 7 years of experience with psychedelics including THC, Psilocybin, LSD, and DMT and have had several breakthrough experiences. I only do psychedelics 3 times per year. As well as 10 years of contemplation experience and have read hundreds of books on spirituality, psychology, science, etc over the past decade. I have essentially dedicated my life to nondual understanding and as a result of all of this work I experienced an extremely profound and ineffable shift in my consciousness in mid 2021 wherein I directly perceived and experience myself as completely unified with all phenomena in the totality of existence. I see and feel all of reality no matter how “mundane” to be profound beyond description. All of reality is seen as an infinite dream that I (you, there is no difference) the infinite intelligence of the godhead is imagining into being. I have lived in this nondual experience relatively consistently for the past 3 or so years. With this context provided I can only guess that the spontaneous DMT like experiences I have been having are a result of the neurological changes that occur with nondual realization and long term meditative practice. Allow me to explain how these states come on. The first time this occurred it was around 3:00 at night. I had awoken from my sleep to use the bathroom. When I laid down I was having trouble getting back to sleep. So I laid in bed waiting to fall asleep. Then I looked over at my bookshelves and when I did I saw that entire side of my room morphing and glistening with thousands of rippling colors across the books and walls with semi organic and semi geometric patterns forming and dissolving. I had not taken any substances in 3 or 4 months when this occurred. I thought I was dreaming. I did not understand how this was possible as I was completely sober. I had to be up for work in a few hours and I knew I didn’t have the luxury of deeply investigating this at the time so I decided to roll over and close my eyes to sleep. Interestingly the visuals subsided when my eyelids were closed, however the psychedelic and profound head space remained. This was the first of several much more profound sober psychedelic experiences. Fast forward months later and I started to add lucid dreaming to my spiritual practice. Some time into my work with lucid dreaming I became more familiar with the world of my dreamscapes and some of the mechanisms of my mind. On one of these nights I was doing my typical routine for lucid dream exploration. Again at around 3 or 4 in the morning another one of these DMT like experiences occurred. I was not fully asleep. I was still aware and alert that I was in my room laying on my bed. But I was close to the hypnagogic state. This is when everything began to shift. I heard the exact same ringing in my ears as when I’ve smoked DMT. Then my vision began to intensely distort and fill with hundreds of beautiful colors and geometric mandalas. My sense of self quickly began to dissolve and ultimately be obliterated as I faded into the absolute unity of the imagination of the mind of God. This unity of consciousness and intensity of unconditional love was several orders of magnitude even more profound than the unity consciousness that I feel in my daily life. I went from perceiving the thousands of mandalas in my experience to literally becoming the thousands of mandalas of this DMT like experience. I was billions of lightyears in size and I was shifting and transforming at a rate of thousands of iterations per second. I was an infinite menagerie of forms creating an infinite menagerie of worlds throughout the multiverse and beyond. And in my curiosity I would zoom in my perspective on some of these worlds (being aspects of myself) that I brought into being to witness the forms in them and then shift back out to a macro perspective. However this experience ended as quickly as it began. The intensity of the mandala transformations began to subside and my consciousness began to shift from cosmic magnitude back to that of an individuated being, however the feeling of unity and beauty remained, it was less amplified however. Eventually my consciousness shifted back to that of a human experience and I was looking at the darkness of my closed eyelids. The feeling of peace I felt was all pervading and reinvigorating. I then woke up to record and explore my recent experience in detail. These are two abridged versions of several experiences I had like this. There have been a few other sober DMT level experiences I have had where I communicated with loving and alien like psychedelic entities but that is far too much to go into here. My main questions are these. 1 Have any other experienced mediators or psychonauts experience a similar phenomenon? I have heard Terrence McKenna and Ken Wilber reference monks who when given LSD, DMT or Ayahuasca remark that those psychedelic states were very similar to the sober states that these monks experience in their own practices. 2 I also wanted to know if anyone knows of methods that would allow me to enter these experiences more consistently and reliably? As while extremely profound they are very fleeting, fading even faster than N,N-DMT most of the time. 3 I am specifically interested in if it may be possible to access these states to go directly to the Godhead; beyond all manifest form? I have experienced my consciousness shift into that of the Godhead knowing that the totality of all of existence is a dream occurring within the mind of God, created to explore and experience itself forever. However I have only directly experienced the Absolute Unmanifest Godhead a few times. I wanted to know if I could use these sober DMT like states to go beyond illusory form and directly to the Godhead more consistently. If so, how? One thing I feel important to note is the following. Whilst I have several years of experience with psychedelics and have access to entheogens to assist me. Ever since my shift into consistent nondual perception a few years ago something interesting has become apparent. In all of breakthrough experiences after 2021 I've had encounters and conversations with tryptamine entities, alien consciousnesses and soul guides and most of them at some point have said some variation of this; “you did not need to use this substance to get here, you can experience this and beyond through yourself.” I have also had a few entities say that; I was actually slowing down my spiritual progress by insisting on using a substance as a “middleman” to access transcendent psychedelic states. I did not think this was possible until these experiences started spontaneously happening to me while sober. I am not in any way denouncing psychedelics but something novel is happening in my spiritual development and I want to explore it responsibly; and I want to heed the messages I have received from the very intelligent and wise beings I have encountered through my prior trips. I would appreciate any help or insights that people here may have.