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I am back - sorry. I feel bad for being confusing so I'm gonna make up for it by dumping more of my thinkings onto you! hope this is fun and not annoying do not mind if I sound like I am telling you what to do. I trust that you understand that words are just words, and the understanding you discover as inspired by your experiences is what matters. [1] of course it could be a hindrance. under-thinking is a hindrance too. finding the balance, is what will work best. there is no definite point of balance. a certain point past too much under thinking has enough of an effect to transcend your current level of consiousness on a meaningful path, and a certain point below over-thinking sees the same thing. and all points in between are where the balance is good. but the thing is - the lowest conscious person still develops over time. the highest-conscious person still develops over time. if you feel you need to take a step back from where you are, why not give it a try. [2] but what is thinking? [3] these are one and the same - the illusion of the physical world is the same illusion which contains the mind. I admit the physical world appears with more consistency - and it is true that manipulating it appears different than manipulating our thoughts. if a car hits us we get injured. but how that injury is real to us is the same as how our thoughts are real to us. So how this applies to your questions here - overthinking is nothing more than spending time with reality. It is less pragmatic - but it is just as real. In a way - the world around us is a higher level than our self - so if we want to think about the world, we can go out and manipulate it and see what happens - and we can ponder what has happened and reflect upon in curiously. these are one and the same - just the manifestation appears to differ. [4] I am in my life attempting to find out how to be more directly productive in my surroundings, and spend less time in fantasy lol. I daydream, I think and then pace and think and think and think. I watch a youtube and then watch another and another, or I post in forums until 5 hours have passed. So I am learning how to work in the real world. I guess it just takes practice and time. I guess - if you want to think so much that it takes all your day, find out how to be a mystic in a monastery with a minimal lifestyle to maximize thinking time. Or find a way to turn your time spent thinking into a sellable asset in the market. but if you don't want either of those - then work to learn how to negotiate with yourself, so that you think when it's time to think and act when it's time to act. I am going for that last option hehe.. [5] I recently heard Leo say in a video that when he speaks of the authentic self.. he isn't talking about identity. I forget what exactly he said. so I am going to explain as best I can what I currently understand of the topic. That existence is nondual infinity. and the authentic self is that nondual infinity. In our manifestation, we are finite - so we never become authentic, because authenticity is.. well, infinity. or nothingness. or God or nonduality or whatever you wanna call it. I am that, you are that, the stone is that, our belly button is that. whatever we do in the material world is That, and in this way it is OK however we choose our actions - and reconciling the meaninglessness of infinity with our existence is more or less what pursuit of the authentic self is. As we work to figure it out, we naturally become more at peace, and in being at peace we find more satisfaction in life. Right now you think a lot. work with that - we can't make a big change all at once - it's hard to quit cold turkey. Leo said in a video or maybe in a post in the "aske leo anything" thread, that he still has the monkey mind now all the time as much as before - the difference is that he responds to it on a more enlightened level. (I am paraphrasing) So to work with your thinking and searching for authenticity: experiment, and be mindful, and work to follow where intuition leads you. [6] I have constantly thought my whole life. the only time I am not thinking is when I am asleep. For me my thoughts have naturally taken the form of direct sensation, rather than sound or words... it is like I thought with touch... and so my thoughts were always very much abstract, which meant a lot of information is represented at any moment. this doesn't mean I'm more intelligent or anything I don't think - tho I have had people comment on how it seemed I spend a lot of time thinking, which well, is true, heh. the point is - I definitely "over" think. it got to a point three years ago - where I was thinking so much it was creating a massive anxiety feedback loop, and I crashed and lost everything and hid in my parent's attic doing nothing because I was too afraid to go outside. the defense mechanism? that was - listening to 3-7 streams of music at once, playing 10-hour repeat songs on youtube on multiple tabs. and playing a lot of videogames. I needed to escape my thoughts. maybe thinking is an escape method - no, it is an escape method. but - well, thinking is existence. when we touch the wall, we think it - and that is how we know it exists. so if you feel that you are thinking too much - then work to think less. but what I can say is - when thinking is too much, it will prevent you from eating enough in a day, it will prevent you from cleaning your space, and it will prevent you from succeeding at work. and there's a good chance you will be trying to escape your thoughts. if you have not reached that point - then it is your decision - think less and do more, or do less and think more. I am sure that it is going to work out fine either way - because all we need to get through this world is make sure we can eat enough to keep us alive til the end, and maintain our immediate environment so that we are safe in it. if that requires thinking - then think. if that requires doing - than do. identify your long term goals, and short term goals, they aren't always the same and often compete. we work to find out how to balance those goals - but as long as we get through properly fed and secure in our environment, then we've done a good job of it. it's our choices that determine how that journey manifests. what is authentic for us is going to happen - and searching for authenticity is only working on our self to pursue what we believe is good for us. and If you are here - then you've identified that what is good for you is self actualization. and.. suddenly I feel as if I've said nothing in this post too. hopefully that is only an illusion. well, it is, lol... sorry lol! You said you enjoy to think, so if you mean the same thing that I mean when I say I enjoy to think, and have bothered to read all the things I said, then you appreciated it. and oh! I appreciated creating these words too. OK! now I can walk away from this moment feeling satisfied with what I've shared

reality is infinite. the physical assumption, is what is measurable. but measurable existence only exists in the finite point of view of the measurements. the measurable existence is only existent when measurements create evidence. if measurements are the reality, these measurements (including experience, seeing, touching) are infinite - infinitely local - there are infinite cases of the local phenomena of measurement. only in the local existence does the locality of our awareness exist - in the infinite scale, there is nothing because it is infinite that the local noise is so insignificant it is small. the point on the graph has no dimensions to it - but infinite points create a line. this is the reality we live in - what we believe is physical existence, is nothing but a grouping of local, dimensionless points of reality, pretending to be substance, but there really is no substance. we measure patterns and assume there is a diversification of energy in a field - but we are just projecting something onto what is nothing. when we zoom out we see that there is really nothing. if we zoom in, we find nothingness. except we cannot - because our zoom is measurement, and where there is measurement there is the illusion of the measurable world. our finite experience is only experienced finitely because we are using a finite vantage. this does indeed appear to be a self-fulfilling statement - but, well, yes, that is exactly right. the physical world is only self-fulfilling. the infinite consciousness of reality is what creates the illusion of form - and what is in reality nothing - everything is nothing, and nothing is everything. we care about measurements and death because we are finite phenomena. but the reality is, that we are not finite at all - nor are we phenomena - we are one infinite nothingness. zoom in on what appears to be form and you will find nothingness - zoom out and you will find nothingness. this is the reality. and what spawns from nothing is everything. what is consciousness - we measure things with our tools - but no matter how advanced our tools become - there will always be some phenomena our tools cannot measure - the next infinite layer of dimensionless phenomena pretending to have form. this is what is consciousness - we can measure it better but we will never have it in our measurements. in this way, we know that reality is consciousness and not nothing - consciousness is the dimensionless phenomena which pretends to have form. but even being aware of this idea - is the falseness of the measurable world. our science will continue to believe it has discovered what creates consciousness - and a new question will arise to ask, what is consciousness? a question which our finite tools cannot measure. consiousness, existence, nothingness, measurements, these are all the same nondual thing that gets pointed to in different measurable ways. our physical world is also nothingness, and consciousness. all is as one, this is the nature of the infinite.

That is trippy as hell, but true if you think about it. The mind comes after, not before because nothingness spawns everything including thoughts into being

Question that belief, don't just brush it off as trivial. On what basis do they exist? Because someone said so? You've admitted that everything is just arbitrary labels. Existentially, not in terms of "USEFULNESS", what makes anything real then? Show me something real. Better yet, show yourself. If you never had a single thought, there would be nothing. You wouldn't even have the concept of existence or non-existence. There would be no you, no God, no science, no philosophy, no morals, no ideas about spirituality, no mind, no universe, no enlightenment, no ideas about realness, no ideas about nothingness, NO BELIEFS OF ANY KIND. There'd only be ............................... We can't describe it. But we do think. And THINKING is what makes us feel like there are things happening, and that somethings are true and some are false. That somethings are "real" and somethings aren't. That there's anything at all, happening anywhere at any time. Absent of thinking of thinking, it's just fucking nothing. So yes, everything that we say "exists" is just an idea. We created it in our "minds", and it has NO REALITY outside our own minds. There are no "people" or "places" or "things" or anything OUT THERE.

I recently read something from one monk that compiled and committed to writing talks from an elder monk (Ajahn Chah). in one speech, he did just that, he changed "mind" to "heart", except in some instances , where it was already "heart" or "mind and heart". It is all the same, a matter of heart, mind, or heart and mind. At any rate, thank you for your addition. Nothingness, non-existence, no-self, are all relevant to the subject. We could also consider words like "kind-hearted", "mean-spirited", "angry minded", and so on. In the end, every word is a symbol. All we can do is point the way.

Hmm objective reality can exist even outside our perception if there is a God-subject that is always perceiving everything. So in that case, if a tree falls and there is no one (aka only God) around to hear it, does it make a sound? Hellsyeah! Because NoOne is everywhere and experiences absolutely everything that could be perceived. But this is a bit out there isnt it. Just for me it looks like it falls on what we are talking about here, nothingness and infinity, which allows illusion to be reality to another illusion.

This is a very good passage, thank you. To me what he speaks is that I need to disidentify with my appearance in order to feel the freedom I seek when I am in public places. I need to become "nothingness" and stop trying to feel good by worrying about what others think about me or if they are looking, or something of that sort.

Nothingness - the only thing that is truly real, is everywhere, can never be destroyed and is who we are. Your experience is another great proof of this simple logical concept, which is the 0th dimension itself. Can I ask who experienced the enlightenment experience (infinity)? Was it still the nothingness that is cursed to never be able to look at itself due to its very nature? (I mean I know the answer to that, it couldn't be any other way, I'm just being annoying I guess)

Adyashanti said once, " never think there is a limit of the devine ground, it is infinite" There isn't anyone in the head, looking out of the eyes, thats obvious, if that isn't the case for you at the moment, thats because of the "monkey mind" getting in the way. What I want to talk about in this post though is a "enlightenment experience" where your awareness expands and merges with everything else. It seems the more you have, the deeper you go! Pretty cool. I don't know how deep Leo went into it, when he took 5 meo, by the sounds of it pretty fucking deep! I want to try to describe the deepest one ive had thus far. First of all its very physical! You feel the body, but you also "feel" your environment! Its not separate from the body, It is unified by the invisible field of well..... You! There's nothing to hold on to, nothing to cling to. Its a deep, solid Stillness feeling, hard to explain needs to be experienced to know what I mean. It doesn't have a end you can literally feel That it is the case. It feels like death. Nothing to do but surrender. Thoughts may freak out, they have done numerous times with me. I started having thoughts about space and galaxies and stuff like that. knowing that's not separate from what I am. And to a self that's terrifying because of the vastness of it, in comparison to the human body. We are all unified by this field, of "nothingness" Everything in this field is nothingness, including your body that you are in use of at the moment. This is the truth. But don't let what I am saying freak you out, this is good news because death means the end of the body but not the end of this magnificent dream. Not the end of this beauty. Somehow what we are has the intelligence to manifest itself in many different ways, incredible! It maybe not a "thing" but that doesn't mean it is absent of its own magic. The more aware you are, the more you see and are blown away that you exist! Because after a while of life, things start to seem more mundane, but its not, you exist!!! How can that be anything other than your own magic. Peace & love my friends. Let me know what you think in the comments section.

The 3 Perceptions/Perceivers of Issues Whys- The dreamers, Creators, Philosopher and wanderers, to solve the issue of suffering, they must seek Why their is suffering- Attachment and why their is attachment. They seek the source. Hence why so many are creators as the source is where creation comes from. Understanding is their freedom and their weapon. The roots are funneled out and massacred. The Hows-The engineers, in action person, hard workers, artisans. They seek how things work to solve the issue, How does attachment work?- Illusionary thoughts separated by splits of nothingness, cloud consciousness. They tend must find a way how to clear those clouds. They wish to understand how the clouds form and solve the issue within the perspective of functions. The stem is crushed, possibly destroying the plant as a whole. The Whats- The average person, they only see what they believe is in front of them(a deluded one without realizing the delusion). They eat what is given.They see what the problem is?- Attachment. So they seek to destroy what is there, yet the fruit regrows every year.. They cut the fruit without realizing the roots nor the stem. They will receive the most suffering when faced with such. The plant has the greatest strength to regrow under the Perception of What. On another view would be if they were to refine their view of What is truly there. In an anology compared to the analogy made about "They eat what is given", Those with a refined view "Know what it is they are given to eat". Scrambled Notes: Of course this is all still in a largely theoritical state, even more so then my "Sensing the Karmic Outcomes of People" https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/7231-sensing-the-karmic-outcomes-of-people/. Nevertheless, I believe this is a solid theory, well really it just ties in a few older theories plus ties it up with an organized theory.(yes I'm aware I should be using the term hypothesis!) Some of the ideas for this came from "Start with Why", a book about how the bussinesses that understand Why they exist prosper dramatically more than the Whats, Also from when Leo mentioned in his videos about seeking Why something worked(If you understood why it is, you wouldn't be playing victim to it), and Buddha's words on how all suffering comes from Desire. After connecting a dot in "Start with Why" and Leo's message, I realized that to solve and transform all issues, it must be done at the Why Perception. Buddha's word on Desire was seemed like a What statement as Why does Desire cause suffering? Then I found that the Why of that to be Ignorance. Ignorance would be the Why answer and Desire would be the What. Illusion would be the How answer. This also further interested me on how and why people function as they do in this logic. Accidently I found their natural perception to be how their careers and functions would occur. On a side note, The solutions to life are sometimes connecting dots instead of just finding them. Hope you enjoyed this little insight

@Dodoster The practical issue here is not to rest on one's intellect but to pursue Nothingness directly. You ain't got it until you got it. The left brain is not ever going to get it. So just beware of that trap is my point. Until you're enlightened, you should really just treat enlightenment as any other conspiracy theory. Careful not to believe in it too much. Hold it as a tentative hypothesis which could break true or false, or even some third option.

@Dodoster Whatever your mind imagines Nothingness to be, it's wrong. Nothingness is not nothingness.

For realising everything is illusion one doesn't need direct experience- one can get there logically - if one Trully understands cause and effect, one will know something cannot arise from nothing - it is elementary left brain attainable knowledge. Nothing always was, is, and will be. At the same time left brain attainable knowledge is the fact that nothing is at the same time everywhere and nowhere, and is the only thing that doesn't change, and is who we are deep within. If we follow this logical conclusion that only nothingness is trully real and no one can ever delete nothingness or change it, we realise nothingness is the only thing that we can be. The Absolute Golden Middle that everyone has access to, because they are that. In reality we are nothing, but in the dream/illusion we are concious of it, so we can say we are conciousness, which is the 1 after 0, the initial illusion and bridge to nothingness or source or unmanifested. Nothingness is concious of illusions. How nice. Equivalent to there is no I, because the I is nothingness.

The mystic, Alan Watts, quoting from biophysicist Erwin Schrodinger's book 'My View Of The World', in his own book; 'The Book On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are'... "It is not possible that this unity of knowledge, feeling and choice which you call your own should have sprung into being from nothingness at a given moment not so long ago; rather this knowledge, feeling and choice are essentially eternal and unchangeable and numerically one in all men, nay in all sensitive beings. But not in this sense - that you are a part, a piece, of an eternal, infinite being, an aspect or modification of it, as in Spinoza's pantheism. For we should have the same baffling question: which part, which aspect are you? What, objectively, differentiates it from the others? No, but inconcievable as it seems to ordinary reason, you - and all other conscious beings as such are all in all. Hence this life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of the entire existence, but is in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance." Alan: The universe implies the organism, and each single organism implies the universe - only the "single glance" of our spotlight, narrowed attention, which has been taught to confuse it's glimpses as separate "things" must somehow be opened to the full vision, which Schrodinger goes on to suggest: "Thus you can throw yourself flat on the ground, stretched out on Mother Earth, with the certain conviction that you are one with her and she with you. You are as firmly established, as invulnerable as she, indeed a thousand times firmer and more invulnerable. As surely as she will engulf you tomorrow, so surely will she bring you forth anew to new striving and suffering. And not merely 'some day': now, today, every day she is bringing you forth, not once but thousands upon thousands of times, just as every day she engulfs you a thousand times over. For eternally and always there is only now, one and the same now; the present is the only thing that has no end"

@Leo Gura Would simply not perceiving an entity be the same as it reverting to a state of nothingness? You know, the classic "if a tree falls and nobody hears it, does it even exist"?

@Dodoster Idd, good old J-Dog was a wise man. So what about emotional suffering? Which is happening on biological level just like physical pain. What about that one? Also, is there a purpose to it? etc. etc. You answered one question very indirectly. Now what is your direct experience? end of suffering? non-doer? Infinite nature of the self? Infinite reality? Nothingness? Non-duality? Or is it just belifes you took on, and attached yourself to? Now if it is the attachment case tell me. Is there a difference between being attached towards spiritual beliefs or other beliefs?

Everyone should stop seeking enlightenment like it just "ONE" life-changing experience that needs to happen during meditation/contemplation and then BOOM: You're enlightened. This is one big mistake to believe this will ever happen. A hoax. A biiiiiiiiiiiig trap. Truth is: we're all enlightened in our ground-state. Ground state = a innocent child not yet affected by the social loops/cultural egos/society. Then we grow up and unconsciously incorporate all that and identifies with all that. Now it's true: Our brain is more evolved when we are adults. Higher capacity for logical thinking. Higher capacity for abstraction. Higher capacity for "knowing stuff"... Higher capacity for awareness. All these "abilities"/capacties : they are there all the time and its with those one should start the road to enlightenment. What has to be done then? Unlearning. Unlearn/detach/stop identifying with all that has influenced you since your ground state (innocent child). How does one start on this journey? By first acknowleding that one is ignorant (= the beginning to true open-mindedness.) This is a proces. all i can say is read "the book of not knowning" by Peter Ralston. Next step? Contemplate / be alone with yourself / study yourself from this state of of pure 'not-knowning'. Next step? Now the magic happens, now the real enlightenment game has begun, as you can use your high capacity for logical thinking (causality), abstraction and awareness to study yourself (=the mind+the nature of your true self) without being biased as you have been whole your adult life til now (because now you have unlearned urself / acknowledged that you're an ignorant motherfucker). Tbh differentiating between "ego" and "personality" ... I don't like this. For me... "mind" / "personality" / "ego" ..it's words refering to the same: the complex constant stream of pattern of thoughts/sensations that create the false self. False self because the mind/ego most of the time very convincingly makes the True Self (awareness) feel like it is not awareness/nothingness but instead that body-mind-soul-thingness inside the head. So wisdom comes from "knowing" that you are ignorant and that existance is mystical as fuck. Some say enlightenment is all about getting rid of the ego. But as all that have the slightest understanding of non-duality/reality knows, then making such a big statement about something must also mean that the opposite statement: "Enlightenment is all about developing a ego with high awareness and lots of wisdom ("great ego") " must be just as true. Now think about that and how it can be that both statements are equally true

Hypothetical situation, a child is born and this child has a rare ailment that completely limits the five perceptions that people have. No vision, hearing, taste, smell, sense of touch, and this child is kept alive by life support. Question 1.) Is the consciousness hiding anywhere? Is the consciousness just hanging out waiting for input from this being? My thinking is, this child would have nothingness in the mind and it would be as if it was never born. This same ailment also happens to a 40 year old person, this person looses all 5 perceptions and is kept alive by life support, in this case the person has thoughts, this persons mind is not a blank canvas because this person has perceived. Is perception the number one aspect of life, if we never perceived in life we would never really exist? Is perception and consciousness possibly the same thing? Maybe I’m reaching here for something that is obvious, but I think this is a deep thing.

For the kitten to become a dragon only the realisation that it is not a kitten is needed. No time required. Purification comes after, if this realisation of no self is nourished. Give love to nothingness/conciousness , not to the false ego you are trying to transcend. This will get you deeper in the web of it and then you'll just have to jump down from higher up. Also dont underestimate the kitten, it can grow perfectly fine without you, because it is already doing it. We ain't doing anything, its all the kitten.

Bubble excercise Sit comfortably and quietly, still your mind, and become aware of direct experience. Notice that you seem to be in a bubble of awareness. Observe the visual field, what is behind the things you see? What is around the edges of that field? Observe the audio field. Try to listen to the farthest sound you can. What is beyond the farthest sound? Observe your body. What sorrounds the edges of the sensations of your body? Notice that you are that visual, audio, and kinesthetic bubble of awareness as well as the nothingness that is beyond it.

Be careful. The mind has no free will in itself. True. Just like the body in itself thus has no free will. The mind can be more than just a machinebox for pleasure and pain, though. It can be a 'box' for knowledge/wisdom. For Awareness to find itself. A box of attaining higher and higher degree of Awareness (coming closer and closer with one's True Self (= can never be fully reached)). Awareness in it's purest form (which is what you ultimately are, and which is that which you are trying to attain/become one again with (if you are spiritual in any sense)) naturally has pure, free will. Can you ever become 100% one with your true self (Awareness) during a human life? Nah. But just to throw some random numbers out, one could say Leo is somewhere around 5% while most others on this forum are at like 0,5% , and the average population is around 0,001%. (im just joking around here fun here, but to illustrate a point). Jesus or Buddah were maybe at 50ish% (:DD) Anyway. Permanent Enligtenment as something that just BOOM!-happens in an instant while meditating/doing drugs, -- now you are free -- is one big hoax/trap within true spirituality. Enlightenment is a never-ending path. No discussion here. Enlightenment is "basically" just about attaining more and more Awareness/True Knowledge/Wisdom of reality (= your true self)... which is the same as saying that it is about self-realization (because the more awareness you get, the more understanding you get get of the nature of Awareness (= your true self). " trying to become what you already are. " ... Well, you are currently not Awareness. You are governed by Awareness (God). And ultimately, yes your true self is Awareness... but currently no human beings on Earth can claim to be Awareness during their life, and none will ever could claim to be so. None can claim to be God during a human life. As long as you are governed by Awareness without understanding how it governs you, you will continue to have absolutely no free will at all, yes. The more understanding you can get of how the govering of your true self (Awareness), the less "no free will" you attain (:D) . What is the first rule one must learn of how Awareness works? The law of casuality. Every action/effect/happening has a cause/chain of causes. By then applying this rule (= pure logic) while observing your mind carefully, one begins to attain awareness. Nah, I disagree. Suffering stems from ignorance ... and ignorance only. Ignorance = not being aware of how casuality plays out, or even worse, maybe not even realizing that there is a law of cause and effect (every effect has a looooooooooooong (basically infinite) chain of causes, and our goal here is to a get a glimpse of this infinite chain.. yes then it will be a finite chain (not complete), but the longer the apprant "finite chain" is, the closer you are to being God, which you of course can never become fully). So ignorance is the root to all suffering. It's true that from ignorance often (almost all the time) comes false desire. False in the sense that you won't be happy by eventually getting what you desire (only momentarily, this is the great game of the the ignorant-lived life :D). What can only make you happy in the long-term is by attaining greater and greater understanding of the mentioned law (= higher, and higher degree of Awarenesss). Another law that is good to know is the law of change. Nothing is permanent. But you can sort of derive this law from the other law by just observing reality. It's true that the first step to attain true Awareness is by first acknowleding that one is indeed ignorant (=no free will=not in control of what has happened in the past=yes it's "God's"/Awareness' will that has happened). How does one get past this step as quickly as possible? My ego wants to say that one should read The Book of Not Knowing by Peter Ralston. Many times maybe. Then one realizes that one knows nothing by reading and applying what's taught in that book. Great fucking book. If one cannot first acknowledge that one knows nothing (like Aware in the science-forum currently can't acknowledge that he knows absolutely nothing about physics), then one will be forever stuck on the spiritual path to self-realization (of attaining true Awareness/knowledge). The next step is then to trust that the Universe and Mind/Ego functions in according to the law of casuality (to trust logic basically, as in fucking pure, pure, pure logic). That is to say, all experience is based on the law of casuality. The third step might be then to all see that nothing is permenant. Change is law. Fourth step? Now it's just an "easy" ride from here. Because one has now attained radical open-mindeness (by getting past step 1). One has attained knowledge of the law of reality functions. So now it's just to combine the two (--- I know nothing about this -- -> Let's observe without filter/ego --> And apply the law of casuality (logic) to what one sees). And in a sense, yes, one is really enlightened now, but now the REAL enlightenment-game has just begun. So basically fourth step is now just to combine Law of Casuality with knowning of being ignorant, and then true wisdom will come (higher and higher degree of Awareness will slowly but steady be attained, yet one can never reach it fully, only partly ... one has just shifted game from "The Game of Ignorance (stuck in social loops)" (or "Power games" as Aware calls it) to "The Game of Knowing one is Ignorant" (=true self-realization game) Shifting from the I'm-not-Ignorant-Game to the I-Am-Ignorant-Game can be described with this parable: You were born an eagle. But the eagle-egg was by God placed in a hen-nest. You are then born and believe that you are a chicken/hen.. So because you believe that, your whole life you act like you are a fucking chicken/hen. The first step to Enlightenment for the eagle-who-believes-he-is-a-hen would happen if the eagle one day questioned his own mind: "Am I really a hen..?" ... Next step the hen would then realize "hey, I don't know who I am" ... (there's difference in saying it without seriousness (Nah I don't know who I am) without meaning it really (one still thinks he's a body/mind)) and then with 100% seriousness saying "I truly don't know who I am fucking am, let's try to find out by using the law of casuality and self-observation). The hen would then maybe one day find out that he can fly. Then he will be viewed as the Jesus Christ-hen by the other hens ("LOOK IT CAN FLY!"), and the hens themselves will then continue to believe that only that hen was truly a son of God (= an eagle), while they themselves are just "human bodies/souls" walking around This is what is happening on this planet (Just believe and have faith in Christ, and you will come to heaven when you die, rofl-fucking-mao:D). While truly, all the other hens were also born from an eagle egg!! Most (99,99%) will just never realize it - SADLY! :< Now ... How come we as humans have the ability to even have knowledge of the the Law of Awareness (law of casuality) ??? No other animal has the ability to think in terms of logic (in terms of casuality)... Now, most people use this ability to think in terms of logic on the outside, physical world. "Rationalism" ... They never thought about the possibility that logic could also be applied to the self-study of one self ... This is where the magic happens Then one might also realize, that the physical world is not really physical, but just a fun little creation of Awareness to distract itself from seeing itself.:D But science is still fun. Awareness decided to create this big physical world (= apparant reality) just so it could get lost in it for the fun/love of it. Getting lost is fun. Realizing that you are lost = wisdom. Awareness is playing a game of hide and seek, really. It pretends it's a physical thing, while that physical thing in fact is something the Awareness created it self (it just forgot that it did, lol). So in that sense .. all human beings are sons/creations of Awareness/God. Eating the apple from the garden was like Awareness was running around in the garden (heaven/bliss/nothingness) like a child and just then decided to eat the apple. The apple is viewed as the apple os wisdom in the Bible... Well truth is, the apple was the apple of ignorance. Eating the apple, Awareness instantly forgot that it was Awareness, and instead it became ignorant and begin to believe it's a physical thingxD Guys and girls and friends... Life is one big game without any meaning... We are all running around confused and pretending we know stuff... while in Truth that which we know of (the physical world) is just one big hoax created by the True Self to distract itself (LOL) from finding itself again (LOL). But Awareness also decided to put some signs out there for itself.. Some signs that would lead its children (human beings) to MAYBE become aware of the fact that they are ignorant ... apparantly most people are not, though. Socrates... what a fucking wise motherfucker.. I'm gonna read something of him instead of just pretending I know who he was based on quotes from goodread.com LOL But let me repeat... Life is one big game without any meaning.. The physical world is one big distraction.. Why did Awareness create this game of hide-and-seek for itself to get lost in? Well, flip the question around: Why the fuck wouldn't it? Existence is all about ENJOYMENT, LOVE and HAVING FUN. That's ALL it is fucking about lol... Quit your fucking silly boring 8-17 jobs (the fact that some people have some jobs shows just how fucking ignorant they are: they actually believe it is important whether or whether not they will have food enough to survive the next day... Hey, why so scared about death? Death my just be the fucking greatest blessing of all for all you ignorant motherfuckers:D So again, why the fuck wouldn't Awareness create a big infinite physical world to get lost in? Imagine you were Awareness? WHAT THE FUCK ELSE COULD YOU DO THAN CREATING SOMETHING FUN? How can you NOT-CREATE anything? LOL So let me throw in a 4th thing... existence is also all about CREATION... That's why are all fucking programmed to fall in "love" with the opposite sex so we can reproduce these physical bodies, LOL. So CREATE SOMETHING my friends. Become artists. Write books about this fun life joke. Create music (FUCK I LOVE MUSIC LOL, as long as it doesn't have artifical vocals singing about the false life which I know is a joke), create paintings, create computer games. Fall unconsciously in love. Overdose on some fun drugs. Maybe die, so what? Yeah Computer games!! That is the best thing ever man...LOL .. Awareness already being lost as a human body-mind, a mind which is already COMPLETELY ignorant of Awareness, and that mind then proceeds to get lost inside a computer game (World of Warcraft for example) .. Now what the fuck do we have? We Super-Lost x2 .. YAY MORE FUN!! haha Actually just for the lulz guys, I may have more respect for a big, fat virgin nerd who devoutes his whole life to live inside a fantasy game (world of warcraft) than a workalcoholic dude that spends his whole life working 9 hours a day in a job he hates.. HAHA, at least the nerd is having fucking FUN within the game... Having internet sex with female gnomes and stuff.. killing big bosses and getting some fancy gear. No work, just fun!! YAY Guys, read my siganture. Alan Watts knew what's up. Combine Socrates, Watts, Buddah and Jesus into one big fat AI-robot, and maybe we have a physical thing that is actual 99,99% God. Actually -- just buy observing the nature of awareness (that it apparantly has created this physical hoax-game to get lost) one must conclude that this is also what we human beings like to do: TO GET LOST.. And that's also what one can observe everyone are.. Everyone are fucking lost, like beyond help of ever not getting lost. The fact that I'm sitting here and rambling about how it's all a big meaningless game... that might be a glitch of some kind... Like Awareness forgot something when he created the game.. Or maybe it was just a sign I talked about, so Awareness had a "lifeline", if things got too crazy (=too much suffering/pain inside the physical non-existing world-game) (like it is now: DONALD TRUMP is the world's president, HAHA WHAT A BIG FAT COSMIC JOKE :DD) ... Guys, I think I am a pessimist in regards to human life... This game has gone too far, just look around the world.. I don't expect the human race to sustain itself for more than a few hundred years. (or maybe I do, maybe I will do something about it, I might decide to use my "ACTUAL FREE WILL" to CHANGE something... maybe... haven't decided yet guys (because I'm a fucking ignorant fool lol).. So guys,, if you crave more money$$$$$$$$ invest all your money in virtual reality comapanies and live on the street for 5-10 years and become a billionaire in a few years Virtual Reality is gonna be huge man.. Lost humans not knowing they are lost then deciding for themselves to get lost inside a world inside a world , haha it is really funny man. okay guys, this whole post has just been a stream of thought, it started as a serious reply to dodoster and then i can see it turned out to a lot of not-serious ramblings (don't take me too seriously please, I'm just having fun). so in all seriousness... I've said that life is all about CREATION, FUN, LOVE, ENJOYMENT (FOR EVERYONE! NOT JUST FOR "ME" BECAUE TRULY I AM YOU). ... now the question is, how do one become content 24/7 ? how is one never NOT-filled with love/humour/happiness/desire to create/help ... and why is there deeply within all a feeling of joy when seeing joy/happiness in those close to us? To the second question, it's because Awareness inside know that It Is All. So when I see my mother being happy when she seems me and hugs me, the Awareness within me knows that that equals me being happy. When I see a picture in the TV of a sick, underfed African baby in pain, I feel pain, because Awareness knows it is the fucking baby just as much as it is the current bodymind that tries to trick it into believing Awarenss is that (lol). To the first question (to the how is one never NOT filled).. the answer begins where this comment starts... getting rid of TRUE Ignorance by acknowleding one is really ignorant (= false ignorance/true wisdom) , and then building from there. “Wonder is the beginning of wisdom.” “To find yourself, think for yourself.” “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” “I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think” “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.” “The unexamined life is not worth living.” (so fucking true lol) “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” !!!!!! The Book of not Knowing guys by Peter Ralston. Read it and then leave this forum and start living your life fully. hehe. (im lost guys, but im having fun while being lost). But basically life is all about understanding, communication, being in service for others (=Self), and then also having a lot of fun, creating more meaningless stuff (like this random post), loving and enjoying, and maybe reproducing some more bodies, which because you believe you are wise, you can then program a new body to be just as wise as you, which feels nice for the little awareness stuck in bodymind. ;D But Real Love, Real Creation, Real Fun (xD) can only happen when one first has began the journey of self-realization which starts by realizing one has been an ignorant fool all live (remember to also love yourself though)... So to sum it up.. Awareness/God has created this physical game for itself to get lost in only because of love (throw in some curiousity, infinity, infinite matrixes/games/realities, why-not-feeling, fun, too maybe also). Love (positive feelings) is the only feeling with any logical value, any other feeling (hatred, fear etc) have no logic behind them, if you become truly aware. Meaning of life is polarized: For some "incarnations of Awareness" it is to get as lost as possible and never realize one is lost (most of humanity). For other "incarnations of Awareness" it it so get as not-lost-as-possible by first acknowleding one is infinitely lost. One could say both are equally valid. Yet, one could also say that because love is the only logical feeling in the universe, then the meaning of life should be to get all beings to only feel love... and therefore one could say that true spirituality is a more meaningful game than the other games. And for most actually it is a constant mix of these two I guess, but very screwed towards the first, at least in regards to finding one's true self. Why is it so? Only God (True Complete Awareness) knows:p For both of these ultimate polarized games, there are smaller games of: power, attachments to the physical world, detachments, understanding (most important one, as long as it is purely based on first realziing one's own ignorance + law of casuality + law of change = True Understanding/attainment of awareness), service, communication, having fun, creating random meaningless stuff, enjoying what life has to offer and becoming unconsciously deeply attached to such things (drugs, food, sex, money, sleep, playing computer games, watching tv, reading, whatever man). Sooooooooo “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”

@Aware "Because it supports their big gravity hoax explanations. (I don't state its not a phenomenon, I state its just not in need for such an explanation as they have given). It gets rid of the random big bang we all are an accident that supports evolution theory, which must of course support a non-Awareness being. A nothing, that governs everything. We all came from a bundle of nothing that exploded in a big bang, that is their story. That in the beginning, there was nothing. And then came gravity, out of the nothing. " 1. The Big Bang theory DOES NOT try to give the picture that we (as our true we: awareness) comes from a bundle of nothing that exploded. It just says that that's how the observable universe -- we see today -- began and then it nicely describes how it evolved over time,, i say nicely because it's explanations are supported by massive amounts of evidence. So yes, in a sense, it describes how the human body developed (in a sense) but Aware, of course you don't identify with your body, do you? 2. The Big Bang theory doesn't try to explain what was BEFORE the big bang.. Because I agree with you, of course there was something, whatever that it.., I like to just call it "apparant" nothingness. 3. Also no theories try to explain WHY there is gravity (why space curves around massive objects ).. It just explains how it functions! Evolution doesn't explain, and doesn't try to explain why it even is so. It doesn't try to explain why there even is life in the first place. It doesn't try to explain why humans exist. It just _describes_ how the organisms evolved over time - THAT'S ALL it does! Same goes with big bang theory... it doesn't try to explain WHY there was a big bang... Why there is anything..... And it doesn't explain why we exist here right now.. But it explains how the universe evolved over time! And the explanation it comes up with fits very, very nicely with observations of the space. Same goes for evolution, just in regards to the observations we make of fossils, mutations, DNA, replication, divserity and much more. So what I'm trying to get along... Both big bang and evolution are just MODELS... But they are effective models that describe certain things very nicely, precisely in according with casuality. SO they are useful models to understand some parts of nature.. and a deeper understanding of nature is always fascinating to achieve, at least for me... and this applies both to understanding myself better (who am I) but also to understand how does the universe function ? ) Also, could it be, Aware, that evolution is just the way "Essence" is creating organisms/life? It sure seems so. (massive evidence based on casuality). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent Could it be that general/special relativity is just a way Essence "decided" that "matter" should interact with each other? It sure seems so. (massive evidence based on casuality). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity Could it be that the big bang is just the way that Essence "decided" how "this apparant external world" began/developed? It sure seems so. (massive evidence based on casuality). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Observational_evidence See, again, evolution doesn't try to explain existence/awareness in itself... Evolution just describes how the physical organisms evolved over time (and still evolve). Now, my friend, I hope you soon begin to appreciate the beauty of science. This is the famous Hubble Deep Field Photo taken by the Hubble Space telescope orbiting the Earth: All the light-dots you see are all galaxies which are similiar to our own milky way galaxy. Every galaxy has billions of stars, probably also stars with many planets. It's fascinating how insignificant the Earth is in the big picture;) To understand how science works on a methodological level (basically follows the law of actions leading to according results) you could start by reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory If stubbornly countinue to believe that all modern science is based on supporting the "Earth is ball"-scam/hoax/secret to keep the truth hidden from the public, then I'm afraid I can't help you anymore on this matter. All I could do then is to suggest to you to read "The Book of Not Knowing" by Peter Ralston . https://www.amazon.com/Book-Not-Knowing-Exploring-Consciousness/dp/1556438575 3 quotes from the great book: “Why are you unhappy? Because 99.9 percent of everything you do is for yourself—and there isn’t one." “Whatever we think of as “self” we will protect and maintain. If it’s a conceptual self, and likely it is, then we end up with mind protecting mind. This produces a rather “introverted” self-mind creating thoughts and perceptions in its own image. When self becomes confused with mind, and mind becomes seen as the self, the mind’s self-serving activities end up creating an experience of reality that is entirely self-referential.” “Knowing” can be useful, but learning not to know creates a powerful openness that is inconceivable until it is experienced.”

Entry 22 | Time and Productivity Theory: With a higher understanding of what time is and where it comes from, you can create as much of it as you want. Applying it: During meditation practice, completely forget about the concept of time and experience existence for what it truly is. Around this time last year, I decided to set myself a more strict self-actualisation routine. My routine way 4 hours a day for meditating, self-enquiry, visualisations and journaling. To be truthful, it only lasted 2 weeks. But this was because those 2 weeks were the most eye-opening weeks of my life. I remember feeling so joyful after having experienced the realisation of the true self. However, I think what happened to me was a case of Zen Devilry as I scrapped that regime and decided to go pursue some things that got me into trouble (I have learned from you, Leo!) During those two weeks, I experienced a slowing down of time that I had never thought possible. It was difficult to explain how or why this happened, but it happened. As I got deeper into self-actualisation, time got slower. It never felt like it was going painfully slow to the point of being bored shitless. Rather, it was like my days felt more thorough and consciously lived. Time didn't fly, it flowed. After recently reading The Big Leap, I felt satisfied when I read an entire chapter dedicated to 'Einstein Time.' It feels very fulfilling to make an observation on your own and then read it in a powerful book much later. It confirmed one thing at least: I wasn't going mad. Since I made the more successful long-term commitment to self-actualisation about a month ago, I can feel the effects of time once again slowing down. During my meditation today, I finally dissolved time into nothingness and appreciated existence without its burden. It didn't matter when my timer would sound to end my hour of meditation. As far as I was concerned, there was no such timer and there would be no such time. Additionally, I've been able to maintain peak performance all day with my work. For only about 2 hours, I managed to write about 2000 words on my movie project for university without burning out. I've also got some more work done creating my personal website for my music which I will share when it's finished. My concept of time is this: Time is illusory. The past and the future doesn't exist. All that exists is the present moment and, therefore, that is all that matters. Understanding the concept is easy. Embodying it is hard. For example, at the present moment, I'm sat by my laptop typing words into this journal entry. That remains true so long as it is in the present moment. As soon as I submit this post, however, the situation of me typing up words will be in the past. Therefore, the situation becomes an illusion and, as a result, it is no longer true. Another example. Here you are now, in the present moment, reading these words. That's true. But as soon as you click away and these words disappear, all you will be left with is a memory of these words. The questions you should ask include "Do those words exist now? Did that thing that happened a second ago even happen? If I visualised myself clicking off this journal, would that make it true if it's inevitably going to happen anyway?" There are ways to answer these questions and paradoxes which can transform the way you think about the concepts. I may make a post about that in the future. For now, I'll just say that by successfully embodying the concept that time is illusory, you can experience the smooth, relaxed flow of time through your body rather than the more traditional concept that says "we're running out of time!" You can be more productive with minimal time spent, giving you time to do what you know you've always wanted to do: SELF-ACTUALISE! Pick of the day: 32 Metronome Synchronization

He can't... but if there's a body it cannot "see" that there's nothingness. Maybe my question was bad formulated. Unless the body is nothingness.

@Aware Concepts. Traditions. Religion. Dharma. Supreme. Rebirth vs 'not coming for a rebirth' . Buddha. Buddhisattva. Karmic results playing out. This and that. Ideas. Concepts. It's all good if you use these things to understand reality. But never get caught in it or claim the concepts/ideas themselves to be the Truth. Concepts and ideas can only tell something about the Truth - they can never, ever, ever communicate the Truth itself. In fact to fucking 'attain', 'see', 'become one' with the 'Truth' , 'you' have to drop ALL ideas, concepts, beliefs. Drop it all. You can use them some of the way on your path towards Enlightenment - like to give you HINTS. But at some point it all has to be thrown away. Stop the clinging to ideas and concepts. Because , it's exactly that... It's ALL just ideas ABOUT reality. It is NOT the reality. Just like you say "walking the middle path of Awareness" ... This is an idea in your head that you're doing that. "This belief of being something or nothing is thus an absolute trap" Alright - first of all - you yourself claim to be 'one' who 'attains' 'Awareness'. That you belief to be that is exactly that: a belief. It has nothing to with reality. There are truly none what-so-ever within your body that is attaining anything at all. Secondly you can be both nothing and everything at the same time. In fact by pure logic (as in really pure, seeing very clearly) if you truly realize you are a no-thing (nothingness) then that fact alone implies that you also are everything. Yes, to be nothing is eternalism. And that's exactly right - you are eternal. You were never born and will never die. You are truly eternal and infinite. I'm not talking about you as a person/Aware. No, I'm talking about that which percieves all of your reality - that "no-thing" is eternal and it's exactly the same "no-thing" that percieves "my" reality. And truly you are this no-thing, you are not a person, you are not anyone who is attaining "Awareness". No, no, no. All this is truly just a story you are telling yourself. "However this is tricky because I could end as no longer coming for a rebirth, this I prevent and will prevent consciously, therefor, " You are very obviously contradicting yourself. You say we are all one. Yet you claim that there is something unique about you that makes it possible for you to not have a rebirth while most others will continue getting reborn. I mean, c'mon. You are very, very obviously stuck in an ego-illusion. You think that there is something unique about you that can either get reborn or for-ever-be-free-for-getting-born. Whoever you think you are, Aware, there is nothing about that there can ever be either reborned or 'not-reborned'. Because Truly you are Nothing, and Nothing is never borned nor not-borned. It just is. Happy new year.