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According to Alice Bailey and my knowledge of time lines, Christianity is dying out currently. Stay with me here, because there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Its antiquated, and Jesus teaching are too simple and the way they are presented are too dogmatic for the majority of humanity at this time of evolution. However as Alice Bailey explains there will be a resurgence, about 70 years from now, dont ask me how I know. The resurgence will put the religion in line with ancient teachings, but also it will be a doorway for teaching humanity about that which lies below the physical energies. Below the physical energies is the construction of consciousness and body consciousness. Its closely related to some tantra and mudras etc. Eventually there will be servers who use the catholic church in particular as a vehicle in order to teach humanity realities below the physical energies. Those servers will essentially outshine Jesus, who was just awakened before he got put on the cross where he became enlightened. By physical energies, I mean the manifestation of 'miracles' which is not really miracles, its just spiritual science that anyone can develop if they are pure enough and strong enough one-pointedness. But that is the future of Christianity, basically needs an evolution overhaul. And it will, just before it dies =)

If the duality of subject and object is just an appearance, does it mean that at the deeper levels of reality choice and decision making don't actually exist ? Is everything simply happening automatically ? Any interesting perspectives on this topic would be most welcome.

I think there is a time and place to have this sort of Realization, what You say above is for sure I think an Ego destroyer, but if we plan on staying here on Earth to do Earthly work while our Inner World is fully Awakened or Enlightened, then we need not have to destroy the Ego, just stop identifying with it. But its true, in the fundamental essence of Reality and Life, we are just speks of dust, we are here in the blink of an eye, less than that compared to the age of the Universe, so no matter what we do, it is very short lived and its true soon after Your physical death most will forget You lol, but our Ego luv's the Legacy thing and it strives for it today, the only thing to do about it is to Enjoy it to the Fullest I think... Its a very weird situation we are in as Human Beings, lots of complex but simple things going on, opportunities galore are here for us to reach unseen Potentials, lots of pitfalls too. I agree God/Absolute is all about Intelligence of a sort that we know little of, unless Your Awareness is super high, everything is really a Miracle of sorts, but we take it for granted mostly, so strange this place called Earth and everything in it!

"When I criticize a sistem, they think I criticize them - & that is of course because they fully accept the system and identify themselfs with it" Thomas Merton When you tell people that eh entire political system is rigged and voting is just another act of consent to give your power away, the cognitive dissonance is too strong and you you´re intantly written off. The system itself have a immune response that works througth people. Eevn those who are "awakened" or "truthers" Free thinking is seen as a virus within the system. It will be attacked instantly because the survival of the system depends on our participation. In our society, the immune response attack is typicaly directed towards ones character. is not that people dont see it. is that they have to reamain in denial about it otherwise the entire facade falls away. The implications of facing the truth of this world will be too grand for many to handle. Imagine being so limited in your understanding of Self and how this game works, that you really belive voting for a puppet in a rigged system will change the said rigged system. "In politics nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way " Franklin D Roosevelt

You, the conceptual self, the human identity would cease existing, you as infinity and as God would continue eternally. If you woke up fully, the dream would end by definition, but that doesn't mean you would end, you would still be what you already are- God, just not dreaming anymore. Pure infinite love. So in that sense you could misunderstand me. Start identifying as infinity because you are eternal. But the "you" typing here on the computer here would stop. You, your body, the computer are all being imagined by you- which is not external from you, but is you. The great I Am. God is infinite. If you are aware you are imagining this realm, the dream still exists as you are still encompassed in the dream. That is what most people mean when they say they are awakened to the Truth- they are aware they are dreaming. If God were to fully wake up, he may decide to go back to sleep and imagine your life again. Or imagine himself somehow else. Upon physical death I believe everyone gets to experience a difficult barrier followed by bountiful love. Nobody ever truly dies, because you never truly existed. You are infinite and divine. But to be fully awake would mean the dream of who you are here stops. I am only trying to parse what I have experienced through ego death with psychedelics. I don't know anything. You can wake up fully while on psychedelics- physical reality will completely stop existing and the ego along with all false boundaries disappear as you stop imagining "reality". Eventually you decide to go back asleep because you like the dream and enjoy dreaming.

Do you mind elaborating? If we are living in a reality being imagined by consciousness or God, to truly awaken from the dream for good means something different than carrying a level of high awareness "awakened state" with you in your daily life on Earth (becoming construct aware of things like ego, awareness of self-bias, false dualities, end of beliefs, aware that you are in a dream, etc.) If God truly woke up in this sense, the dream would stop. It feels like there is a distinction to make between being "fully" awake and lucid dreaming (awakened state). Thinking you are fully awake seems highly self-deceptive to me. I am open to hearing other interpretations... @Leo Gura

Awakened person cannot spot his own self #jokes #I'llseemyselfout

too busy sitting in the same place everyday on my computer expanding my awareness. This is a very rare short time where we have internet use it. Expand knowledge non stop. If you are awakened it does not matter we are gathering information for God.

Maybe Very interesting indeed..Don't even know if the perspective "awakened people spotting each other" fits, or fits for all interactions that are somehow special. For me, I don't know who or what exactly is communicating with me. I had so many completely random encounters - I mean really super random stuff - that appear too random to me to be simply random. Recently, I watched Leo's episode where he talks about God as a "shapeshifter". Don't want to go too deep in rationalizations and explanations, but sometimes it feels as if someone is just greeting me, sometimes helping me, sometimes making jokes, sometimes challenging me. Maybe my mind is making this up to entertain itself, but for me some interactions with people are just different then others. Example for super random stuff so that you get an idea what I am talking about:I sit in a club on a couch, simply listening to the music and watching people dance. A guy comes to me, never seen him before. No connections to him at all. Calmly, relaxed he sits next to me and says: "You and me, we both already fought battles together in the medieval times". He said it as if we knew each other. He said it without me detecting any trace of irony, or joke, or sarcasm. He simply said it as if it was a fact. The way he said it I don't even felt like asking questions or responding. I just said there for a some time and processed what he just told me. I think after a while I talked to him a bit, but I was not sober so I don't remember exactly what I said or how he responded. But I DO remember very clearly that first interaction. In case you have doubts, there were friends with me that saw me with him I am not making this up it really happened

Awakened people probably can sense each other, but I don't think it'd apply to your average level of awakening. For example, Adyashanti was asked this exact question in an interview, and his answer indicated that he could perhaps interpret a person's awakening based on a conversation, but not via mystical means. I mentioned this before in another thread, but I don't think it got a lot of attention. Awakening alone doesn't seem to be a free ticket towards developing your full range of capabilities as a human. It could almost be considered a separate branch of development, though the two obviously share a connection in terms of relating to the spiritual domain. Ishanga hinted at it above. There is an entire energetic system that can be consciously controlled to perform what would seem to be miracles to the uninitiated. But rather than being some mysterious mythical fairy dust, it's an expression of the metaphysical laws of nature relating to human physiology, which would no doubt be scientifically verifiable and understood to an appropriately advanced civilization. I also think you're on the right track in terms of enhanced communication of an energetic type occurring through the eyes. That seems to be part of how it's done. So if you're atypical in your unconscious development of this kind of thing, and so is this other fella, then what you're asking is not impossible. Though I couldn't say for sure whether it's actually true in this case.

Here you can find my summary of Pointing out the Great Way/Mahamudra, based on how it developed for me, written in my own words based on my experiences/milestones: Which funnily developed pretty much like the book describes. So it was fascinating for me that the experiences developed very much in line how they were described for centuries in the Tibetan Mahamudra-tradition, delivered by a book of several hundred pages of descriptions. Talking about a sophisticated complex meditation system.... One of the main milestones, after which it continued developing, was the blue marked part below. That happened after around 10 years of meditation (which was not as efficient as possible (quite inefficient actually, that is why it took so long), since I didn't get a lot of stuff right straight away, and had no direct teacher). That milestone is where the awakened and nondual states starts to develop after some time. Afterwards I was hooked, and used all the other tools (like the always here timeless nature of the mind, its infinite and boundless and nondual nature, and finally its impersonal nature in stage 4) for developing Nonduality in Yoga of One Taste (stage 3 Mahamudra), and developing these nondual awakened states towards the pure impersonal and totally unseparated nature, conforming to the Reality of the enlightened Mindstream (stage 4, Yoga of Nonmeditation). Then Enlightenment can happen, but can't be forced. Enlightenment is an accident. Yoga of Nonmeditation makes very (!) accident-prone. On the path are I would say between 5-10 major cul-de-sacs or mistakes one can make, which can either be overcome with applying the right technique of Mahamudra/Dzogchen (or non-concentrative meditation), or with hardcore concentrative meditation (which works without all this sophisticated technique, but is as hard to pull off (discipline, hours on the pillow needed) as we probably all know. That is why we see more "Natural/ or enlightened-by-accident ones" and hardcore concentration meditation enlightened ones (Ingram, Yang, Burbea and the Theravada & Zen crew), but very few Mahamudra/Dzogchen enlightened ones, since that sophisticated system has not been planted fully in the West. I see its potential, and consider that (combined with psychedelics) as the future, since few people can actually pull of the natural style (by definition), or the hardcore concentrative meditation style. So lets see... And if that is not enough, here is some more of the Sales-by-the-River: https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Pointing out the Great Way &author=Water by the River Bon Voyage, good luck, and if you have further questions let me know.

Because the state of cessation (or the dissolution experience) tends to reduce grasping/attachment because it partly frees from the "grabbing/grasping" character of the egoic mindstream after having had that state/cessation for a number of times. In short, it makes life easier and suffering/grasping less. But it doesn't provide full liberation/the potential for Full Enlightenment. The ideal of early Buddhism was the escape to these states of cessation, the more permanent the better. Permanent Niroda = permanent dissolution = Nirvana = No more rebirth. With Mahayana, the Buddhist Traditions broke through to true Nondual Enlightenment. Leos God-Realization, see the God-Realized approved Supreme Source for example, link above. Sounds a bit different than cessation/dissolve/die and get off the wheel of Samsara/Niroda/bye bye forever? Oh yes... Why? Because Absolute Truth is always right here. Never can not be here. Why shut it all down when IT is always right here? When the suffering/grasping clouds of the separate-self/ego are structurally dissolved (Full Enlightenment), and not just temporarily switched off via cessation, Infinite Nondual Impersonal Being replaces the separation/grasping/suffering of the ego in daily life. And the Sat-Chit-Ananda aspect of it (Bliss/Love/Compassion/Nondual Awakened Awareness) is off the charts. Trust the Salesman by the River. Caveat Emptor is good, but sometimes there is enough good Karma to just buy the right "stuff". by the River So no need for dissolution afterwards... Mahayana philosophy is a totally "different beast" than early Buddhism/Hinayana. For example: https://www.psychedelicsangha.org/paisley-gate/2019/5/8/the-supreme-array-scripture-a-psychedelic-stra-for-buddhist-psychonauts-pp3zz#:~:text=Composed sometime around the third,cosmic vision of the universe. In Mahayana, Enlightenment is not the end/extinction/cessation/dissolution, but the beginning of the caterpillar having turned butterfly, expressing its enlightened intention not only in this life/bardo, but also in future ones. The whole Reality then goes like "Oh nice, one more for the team"... A whole chain of being of enlightened beings (human, alien, ET, Buddha-Field Creator/Sustainer/and so on) fits into the manifested Infinity of Infinities of Infinite Being. See the WbtR 2x2 matrix of enlightened & or merely awakened Aliens & Humans. Its a totally different and much more positive worldview than Early Buddhism, which was more like "die, cease and get off the wheel". Would be a lot of effort on creating humans via an evolution of billion of years and then getting rid of the gig asap., don't you think? Chris Bache in "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven" called the visions he had been shown of the future evolution of humanity a growth towards what he called the Diamond Soul, a magnificent destiny for the species. And since even that isn't the end, its Infinity up the Chain of Being... well, mucho adventure ahead. So it seems that at some point, Leo gets to become his n+1 AWAKE Alien permanently. Hopefully, he doesn't take to many detours on the way there. Being reborn automatically as n+1 "Infinitely consciousness" awakened Alien is not guaranteed, but earned and developed towards. Soul, Karma and such. Not that the suicides influenced by certain inadvertantly & flippantly irresponsible teachings/statements say "hello" in a less than amused way after he has left his current bodily-vehicle. So in summary, early Buddhism doctrine just didn't reach Full Enlightenment. At least in its doctrine/philosophy. It reached causal states, but not truly impersonal nondual/fully enlightened ones. There have been Nondual Realizers for sure between "the Buddha" (aka time the doctrine was formed)" and the Nondual Breakthrough towards Infinite Reality/ Infinite Being that happened first with Nagarjuna and his Middle Way/Madhyamaka doctrine/philosophy, but the doctrinal break occured with Nagarjuna towards Middle Way, and later Yogachara/(Infinite) Consciousness only. Selling non-extinction of the River by the River for the River by The River

We Don't need anymore teachers and ppl that explain things, there's too much of that already, it creates mass confusion as when ppl doing become curious about Spirituality and want information there's too much conflicting info out there, everyone is trying to be unique and promote but it creates chaos.. We need less teachers, as the info is already out there, the methods needed to awaken are already available to the mass variety of ppl and personalities that are on the planet, for every unique human being there already is a way to Wake Up, and these methods/teachings have been around for millennia.. What we do need more of is what I said before, be the Awakened One, Live it Live today in real time, people will notice it and may become curious about those sorts of ppl, how they respond to life, how they are within themselves, how they empower all life around them rather than sucking the life out of life around them, that is what we need more of in this world, not more Teachers...

Well, if you're looking for something revealing that would give that out, then you're discerning people based on how you feel they fit into social groups. You're creating an image of how certain people look and behave based on what they do, who they are or what they study. An awakened person could or could not have those characteristics that you're looking for. There's nothing discerning about someone who's waking up or not. You're looking, which means the process above. It's how the ego mind works.

Once one is awakened, does everything lack purpose and actual intention? Does purpose become anything one wants to see? Does purpose become fluid; without purpose? Does purpose lack purpose once awakened?

@Shodburrito if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying in no uncertain terms that you've permanently awakened, right? Would you be willing to go into more detail about the process that led you there? And maybe provide a clear definition of what you mean by "awakening"? I resonate with large chunks of your post, but the humdrum attitude towards spiritual pursuits just seems a bit strange to me. I get that in the eternal grand scheme of things, it's probably meaningless, but I'd still rather actively work towards a more conscious existence than be a crack addict on the streets for example. Though I'm not awakened, so it's possible I just can't understand.

From your perspective it is. From my experience it is cool, but not that life changing after the dust has settled. I realized that the only thing to do is to pursue what I enjoy. I think most people, including myself until recently, believe that there is something we must do in this life. For people who pursue spirituality a lot of the times it comes across that we should become more loving or help others. It can be a variety of other things, but it is wrapped up in an idea that there is an objective purpose to existence. If I don't meditate x hours a week, believe x ideas, and live a certain way I am not awakened. People package awakening that it is a great thing that can happen. I think its value is highly overstated. The only real way my life has changed after pursuing awakening i that I am conscious on a deeper level of why I do things. I used to act unconsciously on desires without knowing any of the biases operating the steering wheel behind my life. Spirituality made me believe, and I think a lot of others too, that these biases are bad and should be removed. But, I have recently realized that thinking this way is just as subjective as the biases. So I have now adopted a lifestyle where I simply try to embody the purest form of my existence. I simply do what I enjoy and exist the way I enjoy. In fact, my life is, in many ways, similar to the way it was 4 years ago before I started philosophy/spirituality. The difference is I realize the absolute relativity of my beliefs and everyone elses, and I am making a conscious decision to experience the things I enjoy, rather than let them unconsciosuly control me. I do not think many people here can relate or understand what I am saying because they have not awakened to the fact that awakening is only relatively better than staying asleep. Most people pursue awakening because they think it will be genuinely better than many other things they can dedicate their time to. I think that many also believe that it would be a great thing for other people to pursue awakening too. Now that i see how this is as relative as any other value judgement, I have come to accept that there are many other things I enjoy more than experiencing the bliss and peace of no mind. Awakening has significantly reduced the suffering I experience in life, but now that the dust has settled, I realize that there are many other things I genuinely enjoy more than letting go and experiencing peace. It is not that I cannot return to that state to enjoy it also, but that I have many other things which I would rather do.

@Nivsch You are probably branding me as some extremist, which believe me, I am totally not. But I like your reply and I want to let you know where you misunderstanding and why am i acting the way I act. I totally get where you are coming from and the way you are trying to operate is at the higher stage, I can see that, look i am doing a lot of deep spiritual work and awakening, i am not a fool. I know you want to see good in every person and I see that you gave a chance to watch Owen Jones based on his tone that he is perhaps neutral. You need to understand, there are radicals at low vision, which those who think say the same and there are intelligent people at low vision. They can be as antisemitic as the radicals, but they speak nice, polite, dont show their anger, but operate at the same low level of development. They could care less about the other side in anything, in this particular case, they can be deeply antisemitic, but they will market their idea in a very subtle and nice way. Look, a truly awakened person, for the most part, would not even speak about this topic. Most humans operate at a low level, your replies fall on deaf ear, but Ia m sure you understand this. So if this is the case, why not act on a primitive level, at least you say straight up then going in circles. Thats why I say what I mean. I can do the same thing, speak intelligently, throw some deep words while keep the same meaning, or speak on that primitive level where others would just easily understand me. See if you get it. If you would visit a kindergarten, you would speak with them on a very low human development level, because they simply would not understand you otherwise.

What a cool description. I have been thinking of experimenting with Salvia again (only did it a few times, 5x extract), your report awakened my curiosity. Cheers on handling it with such mastery 👏

"I'm In pain everyday all day "-Leo that truly broke my heart 😥 This thread is for all but for our dear @James123 and our beloved @Leo Gura as well specially . awakened saints from thousands of years ago like buddha for example happen to awaken mostly in hardship. And in fact most people awaken when they are completely broken.. isolated..alone..has lost everything whether that be in the material and emotional sense. It's so a person has no other options BUT to turn inward.. to reflect.. and BUT to look to some type of higher power. That's when our soul peaks through our ego because we've done NOTHING but abuse ourselves through all the trials and tribulations that our higher supreme has put on our pathway...because of our ego our self .the devil as Leo says is YOU .the self .the ego. Its resistance to reality .if you accept reality unconditionally you will be awakened and at peace . Leo shits on this and laugh because of his autoimmune disease or whatever but please Leo don't lose hope. You are a wise person .you should know by now that suffering is nesscary to cut through life's delusions and wake the hell up spiritually. When we allow ourselves to break out of the negative as hell poor me victim roles that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THIS PLANET HAS SUFFERED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER..and view life's uncomfortable moments as “lessons” that our soul is meant to be given..and meant to grow from.. and be ACTUALLY GRATEFUL for these things.. that's when you know you're on the right track. When you stop judging reality to good and bad because YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE..that's when you're experiencing spiritual awakening. When there's a peace within you..no matter what events seem to take place in your life..and you can see life as beautiful still..you're on your way. Hang in there brother . Much love and best wishes for James and Leo 🙏

Oh boy. This is it. Everything. Imagination. Including Alan Watts. Including me as a person. Including you as a person. Including "being asleep" -- including "being awake". Death. Life. Two sides of the same coin. Ultimately, no difference. Only the difference YOU imagine there is (as God). Everything. Imagination. Nothing. Real. Unreal. Real. Everything. Nowhere to get to. Everywhere to get to. Sing. Dance. Play. Enjoy. Live. Let go. Love. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door ... It opens - I've been knocking from the inside!" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just like a meteor falling down from the sky and destroying your living room is: - not your doing, - nothing to do with you, - out of your control, - not your own free choice, likewise is "insert-your-name" (with your body and with all your 'problems', inclinations, thoughts, feelings etc.) that coincidentally was born out of your mother's stomach (and ruined 'your peace')...: - not your doing, - noting to do with you, - out of your control, - not your own free choice. ((( However, one could also turn the above completely on its head and say that the metor impact WAS/IS my doing, and that my birth into (= out of) this world likewise WAS/IS a free choice that *I* took ☯️ ☯️ ☯️ ))) But if the above is true what are 'you' then? 'What am I?' I/You are That/He/She which dreams , imagines: - that a meteor (perhaps) fell down and ruined your house ?? - that "insert-your-name" was born and is currently xx years old, has an ugly/nice/normal/abnormal body, study/work with yyy and has zzz problems, hhh thoughts & worries & regrets, fff inclinations, sss dreams. And what IS 'that' ??? I don't know. No one does. Because it cannot be known - as in "traditional knowledge" can be known. It can only be. You are IT - already! Always. One can never not be 'IT'; the only (imagined) difference is whether you're aware of 'IT' or not. Consciousness. You could call it God, Love, The Eternal Dreamer, The Dao, The Absolute, Infinity, Eternity, Nothingness, Everythingness, Consciousness, Spaghetthi-Monster... In some way, it really doesn't matter what we call/name 'Reality', since <words/thoughts/logic/concepts/rationality> naturally never can contain IT. Sometimes it may even be wise to not try to call it anything! What is Reality? THIS: ................ *smashing a gong* ... and we won't give it a name! Can you bite your own teeth? Can eyes looking out ever see from where they are looking? Can a fist grasp itself? What a caterpillar calls the end of the world -- we call a butterfly! Luckily we got music, dancing, embodiment/physical activites, sex (tantra), meditation, breathwork, psychedelics, art .... that can in a much better way can contain ("show us") 'IT' than words/thoughts/science/logic/conceptualizing can! THIS IS IT! THIS. HELLO! YES. THIS. NO - NOT THAT. THIS! HA HA HA <3 <3 <3 The finger pointing to the moon ..... is NOT the moon. You cannot eat the menu! The map is not the terrotity. It is a SILLY idea to try to live life in your head all the time! (It can be very good and fine to think and reflect and contemplate a lot -- but you have to be practical about life too!) Form, emptiness. Emptiness, form. Life, death. Death, life. Good, bad. Evil, Good. Implicit, explicit. Outer, inner. Internal, external. External, internal. Physical, mental. Mental, physical. Material world, Consciousness. Consciousness, the outside world. Being, Nothingness. Nothingness, Everything. Up, down. Down, up. Worse, better. Better, worse. Self, other. Other, self. Free will, determined/controlled. Determined, free. Illusion, real. Real, dream. The real unreal --- The unreal real. Form is Emptiness --- Emptiness is Form. Hell, Heaven. Both here. Now. What you see is solely determined by 'the inner game'; that is: how you look at the world; from where? From which point of view? Which perspective? Believe in the story that gives you most inner joy. Anything else is a form of silly autism. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The world -- existence, life -- will never be good unless you are willing to see its goodness. What you experience depends on how you look at things. When you look with judgement -- either upon yourself, the world or both -- life seems twisted and empty. When you begin to look with an open heart and mind, life becomes fascinating and full of both meaning and mystery. When you realize the perfection, intelligence and beauty of everything in existence precisely as it is (without the filters of ego; yes, drop them - let go!), you see that every outcome is a good one. You start to live life fully without fear and regret. You learn and move on. When you look with love instead of judgement, you see a whole different world. Life isn't easy all the time. You're not alone. For there to be joy, there has to be some pain. So instead of looking at the painful life-phases that you're undergoing as "bad", look at them as absolutely necessary and beneficial in the long run for your own growth and eventual happiness. Remember, nothing lasts forever, everything passes away at some point. 0. Knowledge is but a rumor until it lives in the body/bones. 1. Reality is non-dual. Non-duality means: Not one, not two. The question is: do you get it or not? For example, let's take the extreme duality: good - bad . Obviously complete opposites. Right? Well, not so fast. "Apply non-duality to it": Reality is not: bad Reality is not: good (either) Reality is not: "good AND bad" (paradox). Reality is: ________________ (Or you 'could' say: "bad-good"). 2. To let go of power is to gain power. 3. To let go of control is to gain control. Life is about all the contrasts! As a wise man said: - The heavenly highs, one is capable of reaching, are directly proportional with the unknown depths, one has the courage to dive down into. - The apparent seperation / division / fragmentation, paradoxes, opposites ... only exist in the divided mind, based on subject-object-relations ... ((( that is how the illusionary, separate self -- the ego -- survives; or we could say that 'opposites/duality creates the illusion of ego'; a kind of 'strange loop' that is almost impossible to 'get out of' (impossible because 1. it is imaginary, 2. you imagined it yourself and deep down want to stay in it, 3. in a sense there is nothing to get out of; you *trying* to get out (becoming awakened / enlightened) is what keeps you in 'it' (= asleep, ego) ... - It is "possible" though, just like it is possible for a larva through 'rebirth' to become a butterfly; the larva is in a beautiful away ALREADY the butterfluy, just like an acorn contains the whole tree ... ))) ... - but from the Level of Unity (The Heavenly Self's Consciousness; God's point-of-view) all these 'apparent' opposites/paradoxes -- all fragmentation, division, seperation -- are dissolved & melted 'back into' what they truly are & have always been: Your Imagination - Oneness. One. Zero. Unity. Harmony. Oneness. Lila. Divine play. Game. Theater play. An Eternal Dance. Musical Music. The Bottomless Bottom. The Gateless Gate. The Ground of Being. The Groundless Ground. God. Unconditional Love. Nothingness. The Eternal Dao That Cannot Be Spoken. Buddha Nature. Christ Consciousness. Pure Awareness. Infinity. Source. The Absolute. Goodness with a capital G. Just Love. ☯️?????❤️?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The difficulty in realizing this to be so is that conceptual thinking cannot grasp it. It is as if the eyes were trying to look at themselves directly, or as if one were trying to describe the color of a mirror in terms of colors reflected in the mirror. Just as sight is something more than all things seen, the foundation or "ground" of our existence and our awareness cannot be understood in terms of things that are known. We are forced, therefore, to speak of it through myth—that is, through special metaphors, analogies, and images which say what it is like as distinct from what it is. At one extreme of its meaning, "myth" is fable, falsehood, or superstition. But at another, "myth" is a useful and fruitful image by which we make sense of life in somewhat the same way that we can explain electrical forces by comparing them with the behavior of water or air. Yet "myth," in this second sense, is not to be taken literally just as electricity is not to be confused with air or water. Thus in using myth one must take care not to confuse image with fact, which would be like climbing up the signpost instead of following the road. Myth, then, is the form in which I try to answer when children ask me those fundamental metaphysical questions which come so readily to their minds: "Where did the world come from?" "Why did God make the world?" "Where was I before I was born?" "Where do people go when they die?" Again and again I have found that they seem to be satisfied with a simple and very ancient story, which goes something like this: <<< There was never a time when the world began, because it goes round and round like a circle, and there is no place on a circle where it begins. Look at my watch, which tells the time; it goes round, and so the world repeats itself again and again. But just as the hour-hand of the watch goes up to twelve and down to six, so, too, there is day and night, waking and sleeping, living and dying, summer and winter. You can't have any one of these without the other, because you wouldn't be able to know what black is unless you had seen it side-by-side with white, or white unless side-by-side with black. In the same way, there are times when the world is, and times when it isn't, for if the world went on and on without rest for ever and ever, it would get horribly tired of itself. It comes and it goes. Now you see it; now you don't. So because it doesn't get tired of itself, it always comes back again after it disappears. It's like your breath: it goes in and out, in and out, and if you try to hold it in all the time you feel terrible. It's also like the game of hide-and-seek, because it's always fun to find new ways of hiding, and to seek for someone who doesn't always hide in the same place. God also likes to play hide-and-seek, but because there is nothing outside God, he has no one but himself to play with. But he gets over this difficulty by pretending that he is not himself. This is his way of hiding from himself. He pretends that he is you and I and all the people in the world, all the animals, all the plants, all the rocks, and all the stars. In this way he has strange and wonderful adventures, some of which are terrible and frightening. But these are just like bad dreams, for when he wakes up they will disappear. Now when God plays hide and pretends that he is you and I, he does it so well that it takes him a long time to remember where and how he hid himself. But that's the whole fun of it—just what he wanted to do. He doesn't want to find himself too quickly, for that would spoil the game. That is why it is so difficult for you and me to find out that we are God in disguise, pretending not to be himself. But when the game has gone on long enough, all of us will wake up, stop pretending, and remember that we are all one single Self—the God who is all that there is and who lives for ever and ever. Of course, you must remember that God isn't shaped like a person. People have skins and there is always something outside our skins. If there weren't, we wouldn't know the difference between what is inside and outside our bodies. But God has no skin and no shape because there isn't any outside to him. [With a sufficiently intelligent child, I illustrate this with a Möbius strip—a ring of paper tape twisted once in such a way that it has only one side and one edge.] The inside and the outside of God are the same. And though I have been talking about God as 'he' and not 'she,' God isn't a man or a woman. I didn't say 'it' because we usually say 'it' for things that aren't alive. God is the Self of the world, but you can't see God for the same reason that, without a mirror, you can't see your own eyes, and you certainly can't bite your own teeth or look inside your head. Your self is that cleverly hidden because it is God hiding. You may ask why God sometimes hides in the form of horrible people, or pretends to be people who suffer great disease and pain. Remember, first, that he isn't really doing this to anyone but himself. Remember, too, that in almost all the stories you enjoy there have to be bad people as well as good people, for the thrill of the tale is to find out how the good people will get the better of the bad. It's the same as when we play cards. At the beginning of the game we shuffle them all into a mess, which is like the bad things in the world, but the point of the game is to put the mess into good order, and the one who does it best is the winner. Then we shuffle the cards once more and play again, and so it goes with the world. >>> This story, obviously mythical in form, is not given as a scientific description of the way things are. Based on the analogies of games and the drama, and using that much worn-out word "God" for the Player, the story claims only to be like the way things are. I use it just as astronomers use the image of inflating a black balloon with white spots on it for the galaxies, to explain the expanding universe. But to most children, and many adults, the myth is at once intelligible, simple, and fascinating." - Alan Watts, The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure. The very cave you are afraid to enter turns out to be the source of what you are looking for. The damned thing in the cave that was so dreaded has become the center. You find the jewel, and it draws you off. In loving the spiritual, you cannot despise the earthly." - J. Campbell. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “This is IT! So you don’t need to do anything at all… It’s just the way it is. What’s required is a sort of act of super relaxation.. It’s not just letting go. It’s being with yourself as you are without altering anything.” ~ Alan Watts “When you look for your own mind, that is to say, your own particularized center of being which is separate from everything else, you won’t be able to find it. But the only way you’ll know it isn’t there is if you look for it hard enough, to find out that it isn’t there. And so everybody says ‘All right, know yourself, look within, find out who you are.’ Because the harder you look, you won’t be able to find it, and then you’ll realize it isn’t there at all. There isn’t a separate you. You’re mind is what there is. Everything. But the only way to find that out is to persist in the state of delusion as hard as possible…. So if a person believes that the Earth is flat, you can’t talk him out of that. He knows it’s flat. Look out the window and see; it’s obvious, it looks flat. So the only way to convince him it isn’t is to say ‘Well let’s go and find the edge.’ And in order to find the edge, you’ve got to be very careful not to walk in circles, you’ll never find it that way. So we’ve got to go consistently in a straight line due west along the same line of latitude, and eventually when we get back to where we started from, you’ve convinced the guy that the world is round. That’s the only way that will teach him. Because people can’t be talked out of illusions. There is another possibility, however. But this is more difficult to describe. Let’s say we take as the basic supposition–which is the thing that one sees in the experience of satori or awakening, or whatever you want to call it–that this now moment in which I’m talking and you’re listening, is eternity. That although we have somehow conned ourselves into the notion that this moment is ordinary, and that we may not feel very well, we’re sort of vaguely frustrated and worried and so on, and that it ought to be changed. This is IT! So you don’t need to do anything at all. But the difficulty about explaining that is that you mustn’t try and not do anything, because that’s doing something. It’s just the way it is. In other words, what’s required is a sort of act of super relaxation; it’s not ordinary relaxation. It’s not just letting go, as when you lie down on the floor and imagine that you’re heavy so you get into a state of muscular relaxation. It’s not like that. It’s being with yourself as you are without altering anything. And how to explain that? Because there’s nothing to explain. It is the way it is now. See? And if you understand that, it will automatically wake you up!” ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is not a problem to solve, but an experience to be had. However, sure - you can imagine all kinds of problems that "should" be solved (in order for you & the world ? to be at peace ?️), but that is just it: imagination, fantasy, a dramatic good movie, a theater play, a book, a game... play ???. Life is what you choose to experience. The ultimate meaning of life is very simple: it's life itself! Of course! But this is so obvious that almost no one seems to buy into it, and everyone runs around in great panic and try desperately to achieve something beyond themselves. There isn't anything wrong with trying to achieve something beyond oneself, as long as one remembers it's just a cute game. But of course: We should all strive to make it a good game, a good dream, a good book, a good play, a good film... with total redemption for all the dream-characters in the end ??❤️?. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://youtu.be/wU0PYcCsL6o There’s aren’t enough words to describe how powerful this video is for me. It’s in my iPod and every single morning before I lift I listen to this speech. It’s absolutely stunning. Inspirational. Motivating. It’s everything to me. I would like for you to watch it and tell me what you think. We all should dream big. Without going after our dream, we cannot possibly live our best life. It is there for a reason. It’s necessary that we follow it…not just an option: "If you awaken from this illusion and you understand that black implies white, self implies other, life implies death (or shall I say death implies life?), you can feel yourself – not as a stranger in the world, not as something here on probation, not as something that has arrived here by fluke - but you can begin to feel your own existence as absolutely fundamental. I am not trying to sell you on this idea in the sense of converting you to it, I want you to play with it. I want you to think of its possibilities, I am not trying to prove it. I am just putting it forward as a possibility of life to think about. So then, let’s suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream you wanted to dream, and that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time, or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally, as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each you would say “Well that was pretty great. But now let’s have a surprise, let’s have a dream which isn’t under control, where something is gonna happen to me that I don’t know what it's gonna be." And you would dig that and would come out of that and you would say “Wow that was a close shave, wasn’t it?”. Then you would get more and more adventurous and you would make further- and further-out gambles what you would dream. And finally, you would dream where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today. That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren't God, because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not. So in this idea then, everybody is fundamentally the ultimate reality, not God in a politically kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self, the deep-down basic whatever there is. And you are all that, only you are pretending you are not." - Watts up, Alan? Love ya all <3

I am currently shifting between various lenses dynamically. One is to see the world perfectly, all past events through rose colored glasses, complete compassion for every person and every circumstance and a desire to relive and revitalize it. And the other lens is this weird awareness of non-self-awareness that permeates most our lives where shitty things happen and everything feels rough or like cardboard. And to shift between both simultaneously really gives you perspective. Imagine this: You're at a laundromat, everything is grey, you're bored, annoyed, waiting for time to pass, strong sense of everything being heavy and physical and annoying, you're doing chores, you're sweaty, you feel a sense of hopelessness with the routine repeating itself indefinitely going nowhere, you're an ordinary person living a meaningless life, constantly stressed and on edge, just getting by, repeating and taking care of basic necessities, everything is set in stone, rigid, bland, boring, plastic, you got back pain, you're fatigued, unfocused, bothered, everything is mechanic and the air is suffocating, hopeless, you avoid the stains and grease as you walk. Now imagine: You walk out, you see a flower growing out from between the pavement, the sun is setting and orange rays are permeating the atmosphere, the ground feels weirdly solid, flat, you feel its physicality in contrast to your own body, through the dynamic you feel bouncy, people walk by, you notice how the wind sways their clothes, time slows down as you pay attention, they walk past looking at their phones going about their lives, you walk, the walls of the buildings next to you have an interesting texture, the way they reflect light, you notice the graffiti, you visualize the teenagers who created it, you wonder how far in the past it has been, you keep walking, you hear the sounds of crickets, see cars drive by with music passing you, the sunset at the edge of the skyline looks so beautiful, you start smiling, the way you walk changes, you feel relaxed, attuned, you pay so much more attention, you see how the wind sways everyone's hair, you feel the breeze of fresh air, you feel in love, everything feels perfect, you want to express it somehow but don't know in what way, it seems everyone is already happy, maybe you were the only one that wasn't. Was life always like this? Why didn't I see it before? So, now this polarity is an intense one, the difference comes through focus, engagement, energy. It seems that to engage with and to wonder about any one thing in relation to any other with a sense of playfulness, one can bring oneself into a state of happiness. But I've only really awakened to it being a thing in itself now. If you can consistently access and make reality feel magical, then that's an absolutely amazing state to be in. This also perfectly describes the magic of psychedelics, though reality comes in many more forms and shapes.

Yes. The ego/separate-self is literally a self-contraction, normally felt in the head. That can drop away (making the field boundless and nondual) and with it all resistance to what is appearing (aka suffering). Restoring actually the real and unclouded "state of things", with brilliant clarity and lucidity and Sat-Chit-Ananda. https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=self-contraction&author=Water by the River Don't get blackpilled by suffering/resistance-is-unavoidable-aficionados. If these aficinados would have the capacity/tools/sobre-Awakening-skills/training to release this resistance (aka ego/separate-self), they would do it immediately. Problem is just, they literally ARE or feel themselves to be that resistance/ego/self-contraction, and don't have enough training in releasing that, aka meditation, or are unwilling to finally let go of the contraction-bug). So it would need a transcendence/differentiation/death from the former self - including too a large part its original Raison d'être, which can correspond to something along these lines: So what gets these self-contractions-on-two-feet to actually transcend the self-contraction anyway, and return to righ here-right now True Being? If its not practice/meditation (and the resulting awakened states, aka the carrot), its more suffering (the stick). Or, actually, too much suffering for the separate-self gig to continue its current pet-project, since that didn't deliver enough relieve from the self-contraction. As no pet-project actually does in the end. Timeline: This life or the next. Nobody gets left in Samsara forever. But It ain't over till the fat lady sings, and we are on site called Actualized.org, aren't we? So it seems its game on for the next crash and burn (which may be as least serious as possible) and wise-up chapter (which may come as fast as possible and be as lovely as possible) in this lovely & epic heroes-journey Selling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey by the River "In narratology and comparative mythology, the hero's journey, also known as the monomyth, is the common template of stories that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed." PS: Lets seen in July 2025 how the stars have aligned.

true enlightenment, can lead to solipsistic realization and waking up from the illusion that's been protecting the human mind, it can cause individual mental health crisis When large groups of people collectively awaken from the societal dream, they face severe social coordination issues. Society operates on shared narratives and illusions—moral codes, societal norms, and promises of happiness through specific actions—all designed to create stability and predictability. Enlightenment disrupts these illusions, making it difficult for awakened individuals to be controlled or coordinated in traditional ways. While this newfound freedom can lead to liberation from societal norms, it also destabilizes the existing social order. In examining the psychedelic movement, we see that dualistic psychedelics like magic mushrooms, LSD, and even DMT do not awaken individuals from the dream; they merely twist the existing narratives. These substances offer alternative perspectives without fundamentally altering the underlying dream state. In contrast, dogmatic religions provide rigid, rock-like narratives that create strong, stable social machines, but these systems are often inflexible and unable to adapt to external changes, leading to potential collapse. Magic mushrooms and LSD, associated with the hippie and new-age movements, introduce flexibility and alternative perspectives. However, they often lead to overly diverse, chaotic theories that lack integration and coherence. These narratives can become too twisted and detached from reality, creating fragmented worldviews that are incompatible and lack synergy, aka conspiracy theories. Non-dual psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT, DPT, and similar substances pose a different problem. These substances dissolve collective narratives without offering new ones. While occasional use might not cause widespread issues, frequent use akin to that of magic mushrooms or LSD could lead to a society devoid of shared narratives. In such a scenario, people are no longer living in illusions, but this absence of a shared dream complicates coordination. Enlightenment, which breaks all societal rules, requires a new way to coordinate collective actions. At the heart of enlightenment lies solipsism—the realization that one's mind creates and imagines everything. Interaction with the external world depends on one's ability to imagine and detect it. This means that reality, society, and all interactions are essentially products of our imagination. Solipsism reveals that everything is an illusion, and this profound understanding can disrupt societal coordination mechanisms. As society wakes up from the collective dream, we face the challenge of post-enlightenment coordination. Historically, a single enlightened being could be worshipped and create a religion to coordinate others. However, with potentially hundreds of thousands or even millions of enlightened individuals, our current social systems are inadequate. Enlightened beings- like a live player, can take a different strategy and adapt differently, they are awaken from the Game, and can make a different game, which may make them particularly good at adapting the Rapid- ever changing the world of AGI, letting the AGI to do the logos, empowering human agency, and we become the architect of the system.

Also I am wondering, (not that it’s a good idea) but Biden could have taken some kind of meds similar to dopamine and it would have awakened him more, meaning he would be more verbal. But I think he was set up by the party, cause traditionally we have debates somewhere in September and not that early. I think they on purposely threw him over the bus to make a deal that he needs to be replaced. Cause even this January when he gave state of the Union, (I didn’t watch back then but just watched now to compare) he is like day and night different. To me it was kinda done on purse to throw him under bus, I mean the entire world speaks now how bad his performance was. I am sure they could have done so much better, that is not an excuse. He was at his worse. But at @Vibes may be right he may be getting closer to death, especially with such stressful position he is having. And also the aftermath when he meet his wife Jil and she is treating him like a kid that he answered every question, added more to the wound showing that his mental state goes to childhood, that was extremely extra, and dems are the ones to blame unless they really want to get rid of him. @Leo Gura is right, presidents don’t have so much power as everyone thinks and it’s other departments that really run the show, they are more of representing the country. So I would not worry for Trump to win. Besides it’s the state department that makes all decision anyways. Now as far as RFK goes, usually I would say there are no chances of winning, but this maybe the only time that he can actually win, as most people don’t like neither Trump or Biden. I would say at this stage of the game he may have really high chances of winning. However, the deep state or whatever you call, they throw monkey wrench at him and he gets hard time. Like for example the CNN did not allowed him to participate in debates, I think he would have beat both of them. Also many were focused on Biden, but Trump wasn’t his best neither, if you remember back in 2020, he was so much more energetic.