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Nonsense. In any time of Unity Bliss oneness dimension or however you want to call It, i never had a thought saying "I want to feel ego again". You say the same crap Mr Bazzoka Guy used to say 🥴🥴 The audacity... You think this is Mario Kart and God just design his own videogame and gets Lost because It wants it. Child-like thinking.

An ameba is a certain Potential, You/Humans are a certain Potential...This Earth is a certain Potential, other Earth like places or non Earth like places are a Potential... One believing in the God of the Bible is a certain Potential, Non Dualism is another.. Depression/Anxiety/Bitterness are certain Potentials, Happiness/Bliss/Ecstasy are others, the key to it all when dealing with Human Experience (we the most Capability in this area) if Your ability to exert Free Will, the Ability to Respond Consciously (You choose how to Experience), if You deny this then You will live by Accident (non Enlightenment), if You embrace it You live by Choice (Enlightenment)...

I understand there is this idea that fear is just a natural thing that shouldn't necessary be completely let go of, however, if you want to reach higher and higher levels of expansion of consciousness the fear is very important to fully let go of. If someone still has fear it is because their state of consciousness hasn't yet expanded to the point where they know the fear based ideas they are buying into aren't actually true. When it comes to referencing Bashar I feel it is important to acknowledge that people have known many of these things for thousands of years and Bashar is just one person who has been serving to illuminate people on these things. I'm not actually taking this idea from Bashar, the process I listed is more in depth and direct then what Bashar talks about. One thing that people often do when investigating negative beliefs is making it too much of an intellectual activity as opposed to using it specifically in a way that works directly on your consciousness. I suggest doing both but the most important thing is doing it so that it works on your consciousness directly and the method I listed is doing it in a way where the intellect isn't actually required at all in order to let go of all of your fear. I have reached states of expansiveness so profound that wouldn't have been able to have be achieved without letting go of the fear completely because the fear holds you down and constricts you. If the fear of each individual is sufficiently addressed and let go of, the world will progress to profound levels of development, which would not be able to occur otherwise. From my perspective, any kind of negativity is stemming from fear. When I talk about judgement, I'm talking about buying into negative beliefs about someone or something. Judgement in this sense is projecting negativity/fear onto whatever you are judging as opposed to just seeing it the way it is. The comparison I'm talking about is similar to the judgement in the sense of believing/defining that something is less than/greater than something else. Seeing someone as more/less worthy, more/less intelligent, more/less deserving, etc. You can compare in an objective way but when you start comparing in a way that is putting someone/something above or below something else it becomes fear based as opposed to objective. Any kind of negative belief/definition you give to someone as a comparison is a projection of your own fear. Insecurity is fear based because it represents the ideas of being unworthy, undeserving, incompetent, unintelligent, etc. which are all fear based beliefs. Overcomplication is an expression of fear because you are insisting that things need to be complicated, as opposed to understanding that things are fundamentally very simple. Perfectionism is an expression of fear because it means you are resisting the perfection that is already built into your consciousness, you are already a perfect expression of whatever state of being/self you are being in any given moment. Consciousness is already perfectly designed and thus perfectionism comes from a fear based perspective of life. The expressions of fear I listed are some of the fears that are most common in peoples daily lives and would be very high yield if we as a society could let them go. There are "deeper" fears that most people aren't yet aware of and it's important to gain experience when it comes to letting go of fear so that you can eventually progress and face the deeper fears. If you aren't confident in your ability to let go of fear you wont take full action when it comes to expanding your consciousness because fear is a very natural thing that comes up when doing so. It's important for everyone in this society to eventually become a master of fear. When it comes to the idea of seeing things in the most conducive way for survival the optimal way of doing that from my perspective is seeing things the way they actually are as opposed to projecting your own fear onto it. You may survive more safely by being fear based but living in fear doesn't allow for the kind of expansion that we need in order to live a life of ecstasy and enlightenment. When it comes to bringing yourself into profound states of joy, love, bliss, passion, excitement, ecstasy, enlightenment, etc. l can't think of anything more important than letting go of fear because the fear prevents the sufficient expansion of your consciousness that is necessary in order to go into such states. Lastly, there is this relatively common belief that if something is simple it's not worth doing or it's probably too good to be true. Letting go of fear is extremely simple but doing this one thing can single handedly resolve the suffering of humanity because suffering is caused by fear. If you let go of all of your fear then you are at least peaceful no matter what, if not blissful and ecstatic. People are subconsciously/unconsciously attached to their fear which is one reason people rarely talk about actually letting it go completely.

Enlightenment in my opinion is all about being contended and being in a state free of attachment. It's about being in acceptance with what you are and experiencing life without being enslaved to the selfish tendencies of the ego and resistance to life. But generally enlightened people are blissful because they prefer the blissful nature of the union and egolessness over pleasures, simply because they know pleasures are costly and pushes us deep into the illusion, not because they hate them. The neutrality you are describing is a state of light bliss for a prolonged time period.When you are being neutral without being in a state of bliss, the feeling of peace will be overwhelmed by feeling of boredom and longing after desires, that could happen if you are inactive and egoistic at the same time. Do you want low levels of bliss for a prolonged time or intense bliss for a short period of time? You can choose to be highly blissful all the time, but that's rare and means you have to put more effort in the form of intense meditation, devotion or selfless activities. To live life peacefully, you don't need to do that.

I don’t care about bliss either. I care about understanding Truth. That requires radical honesty with yourself. Such as experiencing the Devil as Love.

@Sugarcoat What you care does not Matter to how Reality is constructed. Just Google the 5 bodies in Yoga and wonder why the 5th and last body is called "Bliss Body".

1. We who are aware of this world are the only ego All questions can ultimately be resolved only in silence, but to enable us to experience the silence that we actually are, Bhagavan gave us teachings in words, so until we lose ourself in absolute silence, his words are our guide. He taught us that everything that we experience other than ourself is just a dream, and that just as in dream there is only one ego who projects and perceives the dream world and all the people in it, in this dream that we now mistake to be waking we are the only ego who has projected this world and is perceiving it. This teaching is called ēka-jīva-vāda (the contention that there is only one jīva or ego), and once when Bhagavan was explaining it, one of the devotees who was present there asked him, ‘Which one of us here is the one jīva?’, to which he replied, ‘You are that’. Then another devotee asked, ‘What about me?’, and to him also Bhagavan said, ‘You are that’. What should we understand from this? When we are dreaming we seem to be just one among many people in the dream world, and we assume that each other person is a jīva or ego just like us and that each of them is therefore perceiving the world just as we are. However, as soon as we wake up, we understand that all those other people we saw in our dream were just our own mental projections and that none of them were actually perceiving or aware of anything. Likewise in our present state all the other people we see are just our own mental projections, so it is only in our view that they seem to be perceiving the world just as we are. This is why if we ask Bhagavan who is the one jīva, he will always say ‘You are that’, because though we cannot know whether anyone else is actually aware of anything, we know that we are aware of this world, so we must be the one jīva or ego that he was talking about. 2. Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu verse 26: investigating what this ego is is giving up everything This ēka-jīva-vāda is clearly implied in so many of his teachings. For example, in verse 26 of Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu he says: அகந்தையுண் டாயி னனைத்துமுண் டாகு மகந்தையின் றேலின் றனைத்து — மகந்தையே யாவுமா மாதலால் யாதிதென்று நாடலே யோவுதல் யாவுமென வோர். ahandaiyuṇ ḍāyi ṉaṉaittumuṇ ḍāhu mahandaiyiṉ ḏṟēliṉ ḏṟaṉaittu — mahandaiyē yāvumā mādalāl yādideṉḏṟu nādalē yōvudal yāvumeṉa vōr. பதச்சேதம்: அகந்தை உண்டாயின், அனைத்தும் உண்டாகும்; அகந்தை இன்றேல், இன்று அனைத்தும். அகந்தையே யாவும் ஆம். ஆதலால், யாது இது என்று நாடலே ஓவுதல் யாவும் என ஓர். Padacchēdam (word-separation): ahandai uṇḍāyiṉ, aṉaittum uṇḍāhum; ahandai iṉḏṟēl, iṉḏṟu aṉaittum. ahandai-y-ē yāvum ām. ādalāl, yādu idu eṉḏṟu nādal-ē ōvudal yāvum eṉa ōr. அன்வயம்: அகந்தை உண்டாயின், அனைத்தும் உண்டாகும்; அகந்தை இன்றேல், அனைத்தும் இன்று. யாவும் அகந்தையே ஆம். ஆதலால், யாது இது என்று நாடலே யாவும் ஓவுதல் என ஓர். Anvayam (words rearranged in natural prose order): ahandai uṇḍāyiṉ, aṉaittum uṇḍāhum; ahandai iṉḏṟēl, aṉaittum iṉḏṟu. yāvum ahandai-y-ē ām. ādalāl, yādu idu eṉḏṟu nādal-ē yāvum ōvudal eṉa ōr. English translation: If the ego comes into existence, everything comes into existence; if the ego does not exist, everything does not exist. [Hence] the ego itself is everything. Therefore, know that investigating what this [ego] is alone is giving up everything. Which ego is he referring to here? The one and only ego there is, namely ourself, so we are that. However this one ego is not what we actually are, but only what we seem to be, so if we investigate ourself keenly enough, we will see what we actually are and hence this one ego will vanish forever, since it does not actually exist, just as an illusory snake would vanish if we were to look at it carefully enough to see that it is actually just a rope. Therefore, since the seeming existence of everything else depends upon the seeming existence of ourself as this ego, and since this ego will cease to exist if we investigate it keenly enough, Bhagavan says, ‘ஆதலால், யாது இது என்று நாடலே ஓவுதல் யாவும்’ (ādalāl, yādu idu eṉḏṟu nādalē yāvum ōvudal), which means, ‘Therefore, investigating what this [ego] is alone is giving up everything’. 3. Upadēśa Undiyār verse 28: when everything else ceases to exist, what remains is only beginningless, infinite and undivided sat-cit-ānanda However, what he means by ‘everything’ in this context is all phenomena, and when the ego and all phenomena cease to exist what remains is only ourself as we actually are, which is anādi (beginningless), ananta (endless, limitless or infinite), akhaṇḍa (unbroken or undivided) sat-cit-ānanda (being-awareness-bliss), as he says in verse 28 of Upadēśa Undiyār: தனாதியல் யாதெனத் தான்றெரி கிற்பின் னனாதி யனந்தசத் துந்தீபற வகண்ட சிதானந்த முந்தீபற. taṉādiyal yādeṉat tāṉḏṟeri hiṯpiṉ ṉaṉādi yaṉantasat tundīpaṟa vakhaṇḍa cidāṉanda mundīpaṟa. பதச்சேதம்: தனாது இயல் யாது என தான் தெரிகில், பின் அனாதி அனந்த சத்து அகண்ட சித் ஆனந்தம். Padacchēdam (word-separation): taṉādu iyal yādu eṉa tāṉ terihil, piṉ aṉādi aṉanta sattu akhaṇḍa cit āṉandam. அன்வயம்: தான் தனாது இயல் யாது என தெரிகில், பின் அனாதி அனந்த அகண்ட சத்து சித் ஆனந்தம். Anvayam (words rearranged in natural prose order): tāṉ taṉādu iyal yādu eṉa terihil, piṉ aṉādi aṉanta akhaṇḍa sattu cit āṉandam. English translation: If one knows what the nature of oneself is, then [what will exist and shine is only] beginningless, endless [or infinite] and undivided sat-cit-ānanda [being-awareness-bliss]. Therefore what remains when everything ceases to exist is not nothingness but the infinite fullness of sat-cit-ānanda, which is what we actually are and what alone is real, even when other things seem to exist. 4. Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu verse 12: we are not nothingness but pure awareness This is why Bhagavan says in verse 12 of Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu: அறிவறி யாமையு மற்றதறி வாமே யறியும துண்மையறி வாகா — தறிதற் கறிவித்தற் கன்னியமின் றாயவிர்வ தாற்றா னறிவாகும் பாழன் றறி. aṟivaṟi yāmaiyu maṯṟadaṟi vāmē yaṟiyuma duṇmaiyaṟi vāhā — daṟitaṟ kaṟivittaṟ kaṉṉiyamiṉ ḏṟāyavirva dāṯṟā ṉaṟivāhum pāṙaṉ ṟaṟi. பதச்சேதம்: அறிவு அறியாமையும் அற்றது அறிவு ஆமே. அறியும் அது உண்மை அறிவு ஆகாது. அறிதற்கு அறிவித்தற்கு அன்னியம் இன்றாய் அவிர்வதால், தான் அறிவு ஆகும். பாழ் அன்று. அறி. Padacchēdam (word-separation): aṟivu aṟiyāmaiyum aṯṟadu aṟivu āmē. aṟiyum adu uṇmai aṟivu āhādu. aṟidaṟku aṟivittaṟku aṉṉiyam iṉḏṟāy avirvadāl, tāṉ aṟivu āhum. pāṙ aṉḏṟu. aṟi. English translation: What is devoid of knowledge and ignorance [about anything other than oneself] is actually knowledge [or awareness]. That which knows [anything other than oneself] is not real knowledge [or awareness]. Since it shines without another for knowing or for causing to know [or causing to be known], oneself is [real] knowledge [or awareness]. It is not a void [or nothingness]. Know [or be aware]. Therefore you need not have any fear about ‘total and complete nothingness’, because no such thing exists, and because when the ego ceases to exist there will be no one left to experience even a seeming nothingness, since what remains then is only what we actually are, which is pure and infinite self-awareness (awareness that is not aware of anything other than itself). (In this connection you may find it useful to read a more detailed article I wrote on this subject: Self-knowledge is not a void (śūnya).) 5. Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu verse 31: the jñāni is aware of nothing other than itself, so our mind cannot grasp its perspective Regarding your question about my remark that in the view of the jñāni he alone exists, though we mistake the jñāni to be a person, it is not actually any such thing. As Bhagavan often used to say, jñāna alone is the jñāni, which means that pure self-awareness (ātma-jñāna) alone is what is aware of itself. Since nothing other than pure self-awareness exists in its view, our outward-facing mind is unable to comprehend it adequately, which is why Bhagavan says in verse 31 of Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu: தன்னை யழித்தெழுந்த தன்மயா னந்தருக் கென்னை யுளதொன் றியற்றுதற்குத் — தன்னையலா தன்னிய மொன்று மறியா ரவர்நிலைமை யின்னதென் றுன்ன லெவன். taṉṉai yaṙitteṙunda taṉmayā ṉandaruk keṉṉai yuḷadoṉ ḏṟiyaṯṟudaṟkut — taṉṉaiyalā taṉṉiya moṉḏṟu maṟiyā ravarnilaimai yiṉṉadeṉ ḏṟuṉṉa levaṉ. பதச்சேதம்: தன்னை அழித்து எழுந்த தன்மயானந்தருக்கு என்னை உளது ஒன்று இயற்றுதற்கு? தன்னை அலாது அன்னியம் ஒன்றும் அறியார்; அவர் நிலைமை இன்னது என்று உன்னல் எவன்? Padacchēdam (word-separation): taṉṉai aṙittu eṙunda taṉmaya-āṉandarukku eṉṉai uḷadu oṉḏṟu iyaṯṟudaṟku? taṉṉai alādu aṉṉiyam oṉḏṟum aṟiyār; avar nilaimai iṉṉadu eṉḏṟu uṉṉal evaṉ? அன்வயம்: தன்னை அழித்து எழுந்த தன்மயானந்தருக்கு இயற்றுதற்கு என்னை ஒன்று உளது? தன்னை அலாது அன்னியம் ஒன்றும் அறியார்; அவர் நிலைமை இன்னது என்று உன்னல் எவன்? Anvayam (words rearranged in natural prose order): taṉṉai aṙittu eṙunda taṉmaya-āṉandarukku iyaṯṟudaṟku eṉṉai oṉḏṟu uḷadu? taṉṉai alādu aṉṉiyam oṉḏṟum aṟiyār; avar nilaimai iṉṉadu eṉḏṟu uṉṉal evaṉ? English translation: For those who are [blissfully immersed in and as] tanmayānanda [‘happiness composed of that’, namely our real self], which rose [as ‘I am I’] destroying themself [the ego], what one [action] exists for doing? They do not know [or experience] anything other than themself; [so] who can [or how to] conceive their state as ‘it is such’? As you rightly point out, there is no person remaining there to say what the perspective of the jñāni is, so if we want to know what its perspective actually is, we must turn within to see ourself and thereby to merge in and as the pure self-awareness (ātma-jñāna) that we actually are. 6. Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu verse 33: the ‘I’ that rises to say ‘I have seen’ has seen nothing Regarding the people whom David Godman interviewed in some of his videos, who you say ‘were smiling and talking about their wonderful experiences as when their ego was destroyed’, there is a saying in Tamil, ‘கண்டவர் விண்டில்லை; விண்டவர் கண்டில்லை’ (kaṇḍavar viṇḍillai; viṇḍavar kaṇḍillai), which means ‘those who have seen do not say [or open their mouth]; those who say [or open their mouth] have not seen’. And as Bhagavan says in verse 33 of Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu: என்னை யறியேனா னென்னை யறிந்தேனா னென்ன னகைப்புக் கிடனாகு — மென்னை தனைவிடய மாக்கவிரு தானுண்டோ வொன்றா யனைவரனு பூதியுண்மை யால். eṉṉai yaṟiyēṉā ṉeṉṉai yaṟindēṉā ṉeṉṉa ṉahaippuk kiḍaṉāhu — meṉṉai taṉaiviḍaya mākkaviru tāṉuṇḍō voṉḏṟā yaṉaivaraṉu bhūtiyuṇmai yāl. பதச்சேதம்: ‘என்னை அறியேன் நான்’, ‘என்னை அறிந்தேன் நான்’ என்னல் நகைப்புக்கு இடன் ஆகும். என்னை? தனை விடயம் ஆக்க இரு தான் உண்டோ? ஒன்று ஆய் அனைவர் அனுபூதி உண்மை ஆல். Padacchēdam (word-separation): ‘eṉṉai aṟiyēṉ nāṉ’, ‘eṉṉai aṟindēṉ nāṉ’ eṉṉal nahaippukku iḍaṉ āhum. eṉṉai? taṉai viḍayam ākka iru tāṉ uṇḍō? oṉḏṟu āy aṉaivar aṉubhūti uṇmai āl. அன்வயம்: ‘நான் என்னை அறியேன்’, ‘நான் என்னை அறிந்தேன்’ என்னல் நகைப்புக்கு இடன் ஆகும். என்னை? தனை விடயம் ஆக்க இரு தான் உண்டோ? அனைவர் அனுபூதி உண்மை ஒன்றாய்; ஆல். Anvayam (words rearranged in natural prose order): ‘nāṉ eṉṉai aṟiyēṉ’, ‘nāṉ eṉṉai aṟindēṉ’ eṉṉal nahaippukku iḍaṉ āhum. eṉṉai? taṉai viḍayam ākka iru tāṉ uṇḍō? aṉaivar aṉubhūti uṇmai oṉḏṟu āy; āl. English translation: Saying ‘I do not know myself’ [or] ‘I have known myself’ is ground for ridicule. Why? To make oneself an object known, are there two selves? Because being one is the truth of everyone’s experience. Therefore we should be very sceptical about anyone who claims ‘I have known myself’ or ‘I have experienced what remains after the ego is annihilated’. As you rightly point out, if the ego has been eradicated, who remains there to say ‘I’ have experienced anything? Whatever ‘I’ makes such claims can only be the ego, because what we actually are is infinite self-awareness, other than which nothing actually exists, so how could it make any such claims, and to whom could it make them? Therefore as Bhagavan says, all such claims are ‘ground for ridicule’. However, we need not concern ourself with the seeming self-ignorance or egotism of others, because those others seem to exist only in the outward-turned view of ourself as this ego, so all we need be concerned with is investigating ourself in order to find out what we ourself actually are and thereby free ourself from the clutches of this self-ignorant ego that we now seem to be.

Even Siddhartha took around six years to attain enlightenment or Buddhahood. He studied from the best teachers around, applied whatever he learnt passionately, endured privations which would weaken the resolve of lesser beings, and eventually reached enlightenment. There were many who died and still die trying to reach Mt.Everest, the highest peak in the world or Mt.K2,considered the most dangerous mountain in the world, but this does not meant that they were beyond human capabilities. Enlightenent is considered to be the greatest of human achievements due to the perpetual peace and bliss attained, compared to other achievements which will only result in temporary happiness and peace till the next desire arises. Nothing in life comes free and you have to pay the proper price for it in terms of study, effort and time.

With the pear it was very cute yes. But these psychedelics like ayahuasca and shrooms are always rough for me. They taste horrible. And then it’s agony, horror, death, paranoia, bliss, this, that, feels like in being thrown into a washing machine.

Having both of these features at the same time seems to be a contradiction on its face (Impermanence, Shape-shifting). There might not be a contradiction entailed, but I need to know what you mean by impermanence first. I don't grant you that being in form necessarily presupposes being bounded by time and therefore necessarily being subject to change. There is no getting around this, you either need to bite the bullet that God could create something like heaven, where no one dies and can be in permanent bliss (unless you can show whats the contradiction entailed by the creation of Heaven or by something similar to heaven where death isn't logically necessary) or you can go with a set of metaphysical constraints that you put on God, but then the big bullet that you need to bite is that the existence of God (as you outined it) is not logically necessary ( which would mean that there are possible worlds that can exist - independent from the existence of God you are talking about ). What you guys always miss and this (includes Leo as well), is that as long as you don't demonstrate or establish why God is logically necessary, you can talk about metaphysics as much as you want, but you guys showing how 1 specific version of metaphysics can explain the world, from that doesn't follow that other types of metaphysics wouldn't be capable to do the same, if not more. This is why if you want to rule out all other possible metaphysical explanations, the way you do that is by spelling out a contradiciton (in this case spelling out such a contradiction thats entailed by all other types of metaphysics except the one you think is true). Obviously this task is incredibly hard if not close to impossible (but this is where real philosophy begins in my view), and this is where all of you guys get completely lost (including Leo) and none of you can successfuly make the argument. The way you get out from this burden is by toning down the confidence in your claims and not claiming that the God you are talking about is logically necessary but only claim that your metaphysics is better compared to other metaphysics (when it comes to a set of theoretical virtues or whatever virtues you want to use to differentiate between different types of metaphysics).

What? No. I, mr know everything, am here to tell you that I know everything is bliss and you're a negative nancy. Everything is your fault, existence is BEAUTIFUL BRO.

Well it's good. Who wants bliss and happiness? Let's be neutral or even suffer if we must. Whatever comes is gonna be fine in the end; or even not fine. Who cares? Let's burn eternally in hell.

The lower the iq the higher the bliss or?

Yea I believe enlightenment is closer to the kind of neutrality I’m describing as opposed to a loud bliss (maybe in the beginning when it happens it’s so)

Bliss and IQ are correlated

@Sugarcoat it is actually simply and truly being. That's all. However, idk about bliss but freedom and being not afraid is inevitable.

The Thing is the with the higher intensity Experiences like Bliss and Ecstasy, they don't allow one to function at times well in life situations, if Your a Householder and have a job and family, being Blissed out will make those things somewhat meaningless... I was watching some NDE ppl share their experiences, one Man after his heart stopped, he had 4 kids, a single father, and when he passed over to the "Other" side, he said the Bliss/Love he experienced made him forget his family, he said "At that moment I didn't care about them", so that is a bit of a danger to it, which is why Ashrams were build so ppl could go thru these experience in safe protected places... But saying that, it much better to be in Bliss than Depression or Anxiety, its just a matter of dealing with it using Clarity as a key aspect! This is why Guru's are so important!!

I suspect a quiet delight of the wholesomeness is the ultimate happiness. The exciting and stimulating bliss is just entertainment for the ego that leads to attachment and then attachment leads to suffering in the end. Also permanent loud bliss would become annoying after some time I believe.

I make distinction between neutrality and bliss/happiness. The absence of suffering is no feeling at all, vs a feeling of bliss/happiness

I’d be very content with simply neutrality. Maybe you could call that a type of bliss, but I still make a distinction between that neutrality and a more intense state of feeling something (happiness, ecstasy, bliss)

What is it that will know it's enlightened. What is it that will know it's in bliss, Stop being deluded like the rest of minds. It's the mind that wants to become enlightened and be in a state of bliss. What's aware of all this is already enlightened and blissful if you want to use those terms for it. Nothing wrong with that. It is still being known. Knowledge is separation. One cannot know themselves one can only be themselves. (which reminds me, I should change my signature). On the other side of that knowing is something that knows. In that knowing there are no words or images. Words and images are known. They come and go. You are aware of those coming and going. You cannot escape yourself. The person that you think you are, is known. If you become in a state of bliss, that will be known. Known by what/who, YOU. Awareness. Sounds goo goo ga ga, right. Let me know when you hear someone on this forum says they're enlightened. Let me know when someone on the forum says they're in a state of permanent bliss and I'll show you someone who thinks they're enlightened and blissful, someone who has witnessed a person become enlightened and blissful. Who or what is prior to witnessing that. Let me know too.

If you want Neutrality, then that's your idea of bliss. Bliss is simply feeling the best you can feel and exaxtly how you want to feel. Who wouldn't want that? That's litterly why we do everything we do.

People want only what is lacking in their life, poor ppl want more money, weathly ppl want more power, stupid ppl want more knowing... Bliss is the grease that makes it all flow that much easier, Bliss is a by product of Enlightenment I would say. And Bliss is higher up on the scale of Intensity of Experiences, lets say compared to Peace, Peace is 0 on a scale of 10, anything below Peace is not really living the Human Potential in any way, Happiness is 4, Joy is 7, Bliss is 9 and Ecstasy is 10 on a scale of how Intense an Experience is (empowering Experiences)... Just be Peaceful first as a natural Experience, then for sure it will flow upwards!

It has. You are resisting and fighting and putting up barriers and borders The all loving all holy God could not contaminate itself with any such madness Yet in its delight towards its magnificent offspring, it gives you free will to do so. Death suffering separation are illusion. You made all this here yourself rather than living in bliss as you were designed Seems like a long dream here but it is the blink of an eye while you take a nap and engage in escapism from heaven's joy

Remember there is no Absolute Meaning in any action or creation, everything is Relative in a sense, Your Meaning, what means something to You, means nothing to someone else and so forth, just like there is no absolute right or wrong, good or bad, it all depends on relativity and perception and such... Absolute is the way it is because it holds all Potentials and Possibilities.. The things You mention, they happen in all life forms, but only we Humans have choice, we don't have to kill unnecessarily, we have to kill to eat and survive, but we don't have to kill for the sake of killing, same with destruction and all the other dis empowering actions we take all the time, we have choice we just haven't decided yet to do more Empowering actions than Dis Empowering ones.. This is all reliant on how Conscious we are as a Species overall, its obvious we are not overall very conscious, once we raise the level of Consciousness in most ppl, then things will Transform.. To Be Conscious means Your intouch with Truth and Reality, which means Your Experience of Life is All Inclusive, You feel a great sense of Oneness, Connection and Bliss, and You see Reality for what it is, not what You want it too be or what You heard it should be like...