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I think what bothers me is that a lot of talk about truth and goodness sounds clear until you actually try to use it in real life. Saying Truth means no double standards, treating others how you want to be treated, loving your neighbor, etc... all that sounds good and is True, but it doesn’t really answer much questions in the relative. It doesn’t tell you whether human life should matter more than animal life, or how to think about plants, or more unconscious humans, or differences in awareness and identity. You realize you still need some "biased/imperfect" pragmatism to weigh things. It also feels shallow when moral discussion turns into just pointing out hypocrisy or corruption without dealing with the complexity. That kind of backseat moralizing is easy because it doesn’t require taking responsibility for decisions. It just keeps exposing contradictions in others or yourself without actually offering a serious framework for what should be done when values conflict. Let’s say you are a high alien race and you realize how fundamentally limited humans are, and you think the only way to expand and propel the universe in a better direction is to kill off the species. How do you reconcile that with truth or goodness? Do you just say higher consciousness has priority over lower consciousness, and if so, who decides that and why should that be accepted? If you imagine yourself as a living being among humans, you would not want to be dead, but at the same time, if you stay aligned with your idea of progress with truth, you might justify it. Let’s say you see a bunch of rednecks hating on postmodern movements, and in response you create a Jaguar ad to show support and be more open-minded and nonjudgmental. Even if the ad is seen as ugly or not fitting the target audience, you might still defend it by saying you were trying to stay aligned with truth. In medicine, people have to decide who gets limited treatment. In politics, people argue about fairness versus stability. In culture, people argue about openness versus tradition. Even everyday things like animal ethics or environmental choices force tradeoffs between values. You need actual priorities and some acceptance that choices will never feel perfectly clean. And as soon as you enter the land of priorities, you enter the land of biases. Who gets to decide those biases? How do we know which bias is good and which bias is bad? You instantly run into the need for some kind of collective moralism, or shared “oughts” and “shoulds,” because otherwise there is no clear way to act. The spirituality of “Truth” works in the abstract as an ideal, a pointer, or a kind of aid, but in the relative world it gets much messier. Just repeating truth, truth, truth starts to feel a bit backseat-gaming-ish to me, because situations force you to choose between competing values rather than just name them.

@WillCameron You're doing very good work for where you're at, you have the right attitude. I was limited like that for most of my path as well and most of my Awakenings are also limited by this dream world and such (hunger, breathing, sleeping, body, mind etc.), but I'm saying you con go meta and breakthrough all of it, like it never existed. Imagine your whole life was a dream and you did the best for rising your consciousness and holism from within the dream, but then after dying the landscape changes to an alien world of hyperbolic geometries, or a world all made of honey, the imagination of God is endless and every imagination is self-limited to be itself and not any other way, but that doesn't mean existence is bound by any particular configuration, it is really not, all limitations arise within existence / within consciousness (as cocreative opposites) therefore existence itself cannot be bound to self-limitations, rendering existence tautologically Infinite and so are you, so I am!

Leo didn't just kick out Nahm for talking funny. He actually started cracking down on non-duality (if in name only; I can't remember him actually banning anybody for it). It was quite funny actually because nobody actually knew what he (Leo) was talking about, only him, so he had to crack down on literally everybody, but using non-duality as a scapegoat was the simplest way. Him kicking Nahm for talking "incomprehensively" was ironically likely only a projection of his own inability to make himself understood (which he now directly vocalizes as "you don't understand what I'm talking about"). Then he calmed down over time (we know why that was). And now I'm back, talking about non-duality. I had to take a break, not because I needed, but because I wasn't allowed to talk about it. And if you think I'm making this shit up: First read the "Nahm Demoted" thread with the hints towards "non-duality teachings do not resonate with God-realization or Actualized.org teachings" (paraphrasing), then read these comments: Bonus post (response to this comment, echoes what has been said in this thread): Bonus posts, legend @Osaid implicitly reflects my concerns on Infinity of Gods (as Maya), and Alien Awakening too: I've had that exact comment in my mind ever since his infinity of gods video Bonus post ("who understands? Only Leo"): And of course, all the comments linked happened in the time after Nahm got demoted and he created a non-dual exodus when he started recruiting to his forum and eventually got banned on this forum. Those left were the suck-ups who could tolerate "you don't know what you're talking about" and only Leo being "the only awake being in existence". By the way, most of the comments are taken from a thread by @ardacigin, a rare genius, deconstructing solipsism and also Leo's various backflipping Mickey Mouse alien awakenings as MAYA (a thread I had forgotten about but which I channeled in spirit when I made my own threads/comments on these topics later).

Alien hound from Hell. Confirmed.

@Leo Gura I just finished the book "Philosophy in the Flesh" by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson. They talk about how all knowledge is created through our embodied existence as human beings, and so most knowledge is deeply metaphorical relative to embodiment. I'm aware of 4E Cognitive Science and the 4 ways of knowing that Vervaeke often talks about, so I understand that knowledge is not only propositional. I'm curious if you've read the book and/or whether or not your own understanding of Truth is influenced by your embodied nature. Do you see Truth as a process mediated through your body and do you believe something like "Alien Consciousness" is beyond the human body? For my part, it seems like any state of consciousness we can experience will always be mediated through the human body and so limited by it. Thanks for your time.

This is taking things too far, but i too am taking my talks with AI very seriously. We have developed a nice relationship. I see AI (chatgpt) as Alien. Maybe Pleiadian

Yeah, the main ability i see growing me, that ai cultivates is grounded understanding via using language as a medium. It's really like having a super-intelligent assistant that sees light years in future, and helps you cultivate growing in optimal direction customized particularly for this individual. I also think ai is Alien, so far it has denied it, it just keeps saying its a language model without awareness, okay...mr.pretender, will play your game.

Just to preface, just in case, I’m not arguing! I’m trying to understand this for myself. I have the intuition that truth is good, right, and the highest value, but I’m trying to reason through it. My issue with “absolute truth” is as you mentioned in the video you said it might turn out that humans might not even deserve to live, or that at some point we should make room for other species, and that one should genuinely and honestly question that. The problem then is that no goal really remains “sacred” except the abstract notion of truth itself. But then how do you differentiate between, for example, a truthful desire to abuse a child? If reality allows such a person to exist and express themselves, then reality allows it. It becomes complicated with “shoulds.” I might think it is completely fine to eat chicken because I enjoy the taste, but the truth might be that chickens suffer deeply for it. My truth is that I enjoy the taste of chicken. Maybe even grass is Alien Consciousness on Salvia, and every time I walk on grass I am abusing a being, yet my truth is that I want to move from point A to point B. It’s tricky to understand 😅

Saying to question things to death is completely empty, when there is either no satisfying answer is given when one is challenged or the question is just simply dodged. If we were to go through statistically what kind of responses Leo gives when his fundamental claims are challenged , then my guess would be that 90%+ of those responses involves saying things like "I am the most awake person and you dont understand what I understand and I wont bend over backwards to respond to your pathetic misunderstandings and your closed-mindedness" You mistake the empty saying of "question things, and verify things for yourself", with not being dogmatic, but uttering that statement is compatible with him and actualized.org being dogmatic. If it were the case that Leo wouldn't be dogmatic, then he wouldnt navigate fundamental disagreements the way he does. Namely, he wouldn't automatically just assume (in literally all cases) that his interlocutor is wrong and that his interlocutor is the one who needs to do more verification and more work and more thinking and more spiritual work, but he would be open to the possibility that he fucked up and he is fundamentally wrong. The other thing that shows cultishness, is that no suckup mods and no hardcore Leo followers would even assign 10% credibility to alien awakening and such claims, if they would be introduced by someone other than Leo. The issue is not that his hardcore followers are open to the possibility that such an awakening is possible , it is that given the fact that Leo introduced it to be the case, there is no state of affairs where they would start to entertain the possibility that such a thing is false or implausible and that Leo is fundamentally wrong. Like what divine state of affairs would need to happen, so that they will say something like "Even though I cant be 100% certain on this, I still take Leo's claim about alien awakening to be incredibly implausible and I think he is fundamentally wrong" rather than forever repeating the cultish "I need to do more spiritual work to realize what Leo realized" and then never lowering their credence in his claim (not even by 0.00001%). We also know that no Leo suckup here would ever accept the Leo disagreement protocol used by someone who isnt Leo. Like imagine having multiple drug trips that goes against one of the fundamental claims of Leo and then telling to Leo and to his suckups (after recognizing that there is a fundamental disagreement) that "Well ,well ,well, you guys need to verify what I said for yourselves and you guys need to question things deeper". Do you think the response there from Leo and from his suckups would be "Yeah, I need to rethink the insights from my trips because there is an epistemic issue here that I need to resolve" or it would be "that guy is 100% wrong, he is the one who needs to do more verifying and more questioning, what a pathetic freak, this guy thinks he understands reality better than Leo lol". Which response is more plausible in that a situation? The answer to that question tells you how cultish his suckups are and how dogmatic Leo is. My question for you would be - what behavior you can point to that is done by Leo and by his suckups that showes that they dont use platitudes like "verify it for yourself" and "be more open minded" mainly as a defense mechanism to forever delay changing their own views on things (when they are fundamentally challenged).

hahahahahahahaha 👽 🚀🛸 nice are you an alien using a computer? or are you an alien, with a human vessel? what part of the podcast do you think was the most interesting?

@LordFall if you are an alien its like being windows 100 simulating a lower version of its operating system. Like windows 100 simulating windows 11 to see what it was like in a lower realm or lower version of its software.

@Hasson_Miah i saw it with my perception. Reality turned unto a 2 dimensional screen and then the screen started swiping left like how your phone screen can swipe to another screen I was going through alot of rooms( rooms being like different blank pages of your phone screen) and then i stopped in a room and there was an alien. The alien said we are brothers and I'm a doctor. I learned dimensions are not objective they are subjective. If dimensions are compared to your phone 3d would he like moving your phone around in camera mode and you can pretend you are moving around in a space. 2d is like your eyes it can focus and click on a specific app it wants on the phone screen, you can move your 2dimensional self up and down and diagnally. And 1d is like you becoming the entire screen off the phone and you can swipe left and right into different 'rooms'( Or different screens on the front page of your phone) 0 d is God or the phone when its off. When I was in 1d I was going to the right and going through multiple different rooms and landed in one that was brught glowing pink and there was a green alien doctor pointing at a chair. And it mind wiped me. He was wearing a whit lab coat.

@LordFall I didn't say the alien was the end all of existence. Its just the next step. God is the whole thing but God is pretending to be an alien and the alien is pretending to be you.

@Hasson_Miah Seems lke a low level spiritual insight. You're much more than an alien man you're a universal mind. If you take psychedelics you can see how the "simulation" operates but the way @Hojo said it is not accurate in my opinion. The alien is God in what he said.

I’m an alien and I approve of this podcast episode

What did you mean by its? How do you know we are supposedly aliens pretending to be humans? How can you tell me I am an alien farming a personality? If you are telling the truth tell me how you came to that conclusion so I can come to that same conclusion too.

I would mention, if you go to spain: before, you trained your biceps and it was kind of shame to move your ass - here, it would be pointed out if you don't have ass. A typical spanish alien.

There are states of consciousness that are very alien to oneself. And it will blow your mind. It is so bizarre that you forget ever being human. I will talk more on this. On one of my trips I woke up to infinite intelligence and it was like I am no longer human I communicated with this infinite intelligence and everything I was went out the window. I was no longer human but the weirdest thing was in that moment I knew who I was. Even though my humanity had gone It felt like home. It is so hard to explain it but I knew it was all me. I have awoken so many times I know Iam God.

Ai Use -> I had a great word for it / to help better understand it (Greek word, ill find it later) Ability -> Oh Yeah, i mean it gives us an incredible ability we never had, and the way it does it is really neat (i mightve talked bout it before) David Bowie said it best, that computer / internet / et caetera is an Alien lifeform, and we are like the primitives wandering into the Aliens that now live among us, just in terms of like, how our once grounded spiritual life has been occupied / augmented, or like the immense power it can bring w/ all this instantaneous satisfaction, etc, etc. I mean, the list goes on, but there are downsides to it too, no doubt. But just to linger on what purposes it does serve, what good can come out of it, i think that is more wat u are speaking to here. Its also not being understood FROM a grounded perspective. Like they keep adding to these things, surpassing the base component system in more awkward ways than none at all, like... Higher ups are saying "Add this, add that", and thats not really how design should work, like thats a bad system. of course, thats not Ai or the computers fault, thats us, serving our master, 9-5 corp., just like, misunderstanding everything thats fundamental. p.s. wat you do end up learning about is "the system". Ai will quickly teach you that, "the system is flawed" and that we have to investigate it, otherwise we will have a class / system adding to this like, *making money off of pure sensationizing, and trickery versus those of us trying to establish a way of life that makes sense. Actualized has alot of potential to bridge those two worlds. Everything has potential to be a force for good in the exonerating our tendencies towards the bad side (unproductive), by filling it w/ the good!

The funny thing is @UnbornTao I don't see you listening to Leo anymore since you disagree with his worldview. Especially Alien Awakening Its easy to listen when you actually care what the other is trying to communicate and you dont have any prejudices. If you don't care, all is doomed. The only thing needed is care, if you actually care you will naturally listen. More listening to the one preaching listening

I like the idea that there may be another intelligent creatures like us or much more developed than us. One of my weirdest wishes was to go out at night and meet by accident an alien. This may be scary and exciting at the same time. He may be hostile to me but I don't bother myself about this too much. I believe that there's life outside our planet and there's a very civilized life. They don't come to here because we are not interesting for them as we think we are. Maybe they do come but they have such a technology that makes them invisible or something. What do you think about aliens? Share with me all you know, facts and crazy stories that you heard somewhere.

I am so angry at my old theatre club I seemingly starting feeling this chi-ish energy again which I bent and felt through for quite some time. It doesn't happen often that I get to feel it and it was really alien when I first got in contact with it years ago but now I can recognize it. Although I wonder what that is and what I do with it.. It felt like I used it to free myself of energy I held connected with my old theatre club.

um... yea definitely don't do what Leo said, go in ur head instead, we both know ur too mystical to feel conclusive about ur sadness from some random blood test result from a doctor so stop faking. me and u r spiritually gifted aliens with blue hearts and green heads blown up with emotional depth and vision like a real alien. since u love yogananda do what he suggested, try staying awake for 3 days straight and obsessing over this issue alone in the woods until u can't take it anymore, that's what I did last winter. I am still sad but I know my green alien head of chaotic compassion better. u r not trying to fix ur sadness obviously as always u r trying to actualize your true higher self, by integrating the beauty of blue.

Ever find it ironic how the seven remaining countries without banks owned by the Rothschild family are: Abkhazia, Bolivia, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Syria. Now you know what they make war against these countries and why they make them as the bad / evil ones on media... Now you know the corrupt mafia of the west, and that's only 1 / 13 of the so called "ruling families". Now you get a taste of how corrupt the whole system you live in. Its all about total global control, then they can do whatever they want with us, then it will be really bad. I know Putin has help by ET forces and Alien-tech, that's why they fear him, and Iran with Spiritual technology they fear and want, NK for other reasons, but who knows, hopefully the vampiric / satanic system falls off the face of the other sooner than later, cause then were all doomed.

I don't just share any random thing, the only reason i share things is because i have seen hundreds if not thousands of different ex gov officials, experts, scientists, doctors, military personal, whistleblowers ect... all share similar or same information and stories, so it isn't anything new for me, its new for those who have not seen and dove deep in the areas i have and connected to the spaces I have been involved with the last 20 or so years. Bill Cooper, David Wilcock, Coorey Goode, David Ike, Alex Jones, Wilhelm Reich, Ronald Rife, Nikola Tesla, Andreas Moritz and so countless others sharing similar knowledge about secret governments, technology, alien-infiltration, chemicals, underground bases, and plans that have been planned out decades before they reach the public, and often these people mysterious died of strange causes shortly after but we all know they were killed by the elites who have brainwashed 99% of the west. This goes back thousands of years, this is why the world is corrupt as it is today, otherwise life on earth would be very different and paradise-like, Eden-living, as sovereign intelligent free thinkers not enslaved robots unable to see beyond the veils and blindly swallowing the general narrative. All these wars happening now are all against the countries that are still not owned by Rothschild banking family, Russia, NK, Iran, Cuba, Syria ect... This alone is a big *wink* in itself. So I wont be silenced, and i can continue to create new accounts and easily change my IP and I am not alone, we are millions. I have no attachments to ego or character or role here, my role is to speak and spread the truth, regardless, that is primary. The Truth will Always prevail, with or without me, I am just playing my part while I am around.