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@pluto Interesting.Drop all methods and surrender to life ? Can you please elaborate more. What is this light body connecting with Avatar ? Is that beyond nothingness ?? Can you name some enlightened masters and books by them ?

@Truth Addict I wanted to say that I appreciate what you are saying in this post and the other post that you created, because is good to see other perspectives, or as you said, we will be stuck in our position only. I think is good to be honest and share an honest opinion. The only thing that it called my attention was that you and Joseph were in a position in which if we didn't think the way you did we were Leo's butt kissers or we were in a cult following Leo like he is a kind of Guru with some kind of paranormal power. I think we need to understand that we are here to share our views, but we can't impose them to others, because saying that we are butt kissers of Leo is like, saying "Ok, you don't like my observations? So now you are this or that" it's a kind of emotional blackmail I think. When I said to Joseph that we should just share our visions and do criticism yes, but to certain point. You know people takes a lot of time to change and if we keep pressuring someone to impose our vision finally what we are going to get is the opposite result. When I said we should only tell our differences and share our views, Joseph asked me "how do we grow then?" And that was when I told him just seeing and sharing our experiences. Then he said "Ok, why don't we hold our hands and sing Kumbaya?" I don't know, that kind of responses makes me not to want to talk to that person anymore, really. but let me tell you something, nothing is going to make me get angry with anyone or not accept a critic it doesn't matter from where it comes. there's nothing that will make me feel bad or will anger me because of a criticism. And if it happens, I will just watch the emotion and know that I am nothingness and problem solved!!! Lol... I just wanted to share this with you and I appreciate your honesty for sharing your vision with us. Sleep well and have a dream with unicorns!

Oh gosh, I refuse to believe that you're dense. It's like you want it to continue . How is it that there is something, a 'me' that is perception itself, that cannot be located and does not have any attributes? Try describing infinity. Can you do that? Try describing nothingness. Can you do that? Try describing a 'me' that cannot be located and does not have any attributes. Can you do that? Do you know the nature of that mistake? It's not about factual incorrectness, it's about seeing. You read a book, a detective story, that has a plot twist at the end and where the whole thing gets recontextualized. All bits fall into their right places, it's not the maid - it's the butler! What is that moment, the illumination? Can it be perceived? No - it's the footprint of mental scaffolding crumbling, revealing the truth. You do not add thoughts in this work, you remove them. You may have removed many things, but identification is still there. You don't see infinity, you treat it as a concept. What triggers you about Leo is your own concept that you're trying to overcome and you're blaming him for it.

stories are true and non true. even what nahm said, doesn't work in all situation. it's so easy to explain non duality. imagine aliens comes on earth, they have none of our biologic content and our education, they are made of particles of metal and still kind of talks with electronic waves and have no eyes or ears. would they figure out what an "HAND" is ? how would you explain them what a concept is, even what a word is, a noise. this is what is non duality, knowing that all there is in "reality" is nothingness, or whatever your mind put an attribut on. in a litteral sense, mathematic truly doesn't exist. it just is a key we use to unscript what reality probably is at best, that's why the world is working upon theory of truth, not on "truth" what alien would"see" is true non duality in a way. Unless their own tongue is paved in a duality realm and they got their own duality problems with their waves

The substance of Reality is nothing. However Reality is Infinite, so another word for Reality is Absolute Infinity. It just IS itself. There is no where else to go. There can't be anything outside of it. Infinity allows it the freedom to be A Mechanical - it needs no mechanism and it can be conscious - and feel, and love. so another word for Reality is Consciousness. It's a Mind. This Mind is nothingness - but since it's Infinite, it contains within it all possiblities, including none at all (non existence). Existence and Non-Existence or super imposed right on top of eachother because there is no where else to go. So what you get is Existence and non-existence cancelling each other out - and your'e left with Reality being a Dream - or hallucination. The substance of which, is nothing. Again, all possibilities are still included within this Infinite singularity. That's where the relativity comes in. God creates perspectives through form, and explores itself through an infinite number of perspectives. This form - you, me, your coffee table, black holes, EVERYTHING, is couched within the formlessness, or nothingness, but at the same time its One. It unfolds as we "be" our perspective, or in other words we create form, from the nothingness. But it was Always there! Reality is absolutely Relative in that it doesn't just appear that way - That's how it actually is! It's only perspectives. But so much so that is Absolutely so! Making it Absolute! It's perfect. Being = Formlessness minus the form Your perspective is a finitude or part, of infnity, or God - it is form within the formlessness, so it's still both. Your being it right now!

@Soul-lover 2020 The word nothingness (no-thing-ness), refers to God/Consciousness/Pure Awareness etc. (it has many labels). The very act of defining and conceptualizing those words, this doesn't hold/work since labels can't really accurately describe what they're pointing at. Language has its limits. You're trying to conceptualize what can't be conceptualized. Mental masturbation can be useful in regards to enlightenment, but at the same time it can be easy to get lost in the world of concepts, trying to understand and maybe to experience "God"-Consciousness from the perspective of the ego, which ultimately fails. The contrast between the paradigm/experience of ego-self, and "God", is quite radical.

nope. words can acquire different meanings from the ones presented in dictionaries. language is not a static phenomenon. the word "bug" is a simple example. when we study something with a specific group, it's very likely that the group will come up with its own set of meanings for certain words. this is exactly what happened to the word "nothingness", which is an attempt to point to the same "thing" as "sunyata", "buddha nature" etc. i don't know whether or not those are of your interest. in any case, i'm not trying to convince you (or anyone else) of anything. arguing is useless... you either have had a mystical experience beyond the mind or you haven't. i'm done here.

If you can't be truthful with the definitions of words without resorting to sarcasm, then you only succeed at invalidating your beliefs. Here's the literal definition for nothingness: nothingness NOUN mass noun The absence or cessation of life or existence. Agreed?

The definition for "nothingness" isn't "consciousness" at all. Try again.

there isn't any . i'm using jargons. "nothing" usually means "devoid of anything". "nothingness" usually means "pure consciousness".

Ajasatya, Okay. Can you please share with me the official dictionary definitions for nothing and "nothingness". Thanks! My problem with your definition of God is that it actually renders the word meaningless. For God to be real, He, She or It has to be distinguishable from everything else. Otherwise you can't really believe that God exists. Andrea

@Soul-lover 2020 persons, plants, monkeys, lions, butterflies, rocks, water, atoms etc are the avatars of GOD. GOD lives through everything, as everything. GOD lives through dogs and barks; GOD lives through birds and sings; GOD lives through human beings and composes music, writes poetry, observes the Universe (also, GOD itself) and says "I AM". GOD is creation, creator and creativity. and by "nothingness" i don't mean "nothing". this is pretty much as far as words can go.

@1liamo78 Nothingness is not the space inside a bubble nor the space outside a bubble. It's Nothing. But even that is saying one word too much.

It is crazy because you are denying the fundamental fact of you as a created being. Your unproven claim to 'godhood' is a wholly irrational belief that is not grounded in reality. Anyone who regularly hears "voices", hallucinates on drugs, or allows himself to always be led by what he "feels", could think the same way that you do. "Nothingness is reading these words." The reader of your words is a real person, but your claims amount to NOTHING.

@Gili Trawangan you are much further down the path than you give yourself credit for. And yes, it's real. Awakening is the miracle of all miracles. It's amazing. So moving on..why the thoughts if we are awareness. Well remember awareness is the formless or the nothingness that you are. But in order for God. - you - to explore yourself - you must create form. It's an illusion technically because the substance is formless. So you in your current form are a "part" of the whole. You have to be finite because you have form. But you are a perspective through which God can explore himself. At the same time though, you are still the whole chabang. You are still God. But its the only way God can BE himself. Of course i use the word "he" metaphorically as there is no bearded guy in the sky. It's all you. The form will have thoughts and emotions and subconscious, all of it to explore. And God in his infinite power created the perfect design. We as mere mortals can grasp what we can with our finite minds - but we can tap into ourselves and discover ourselves with things like meditation. That's the beauty. With that we can raise our consciousness and we can discover our true nature. Hope that makes sense. Also welcome and much love.

because GOD is the very nature of what everything is. GOD is the ultimate experiencer, experienced and experience. it will sound crazy until you integrate a few (or several) heavy mystical experiences. nothingness is reading these words...

@nowimhere A memory of “it” is simply an appearance Now. That memory can get further contextualized as an experience with meaning by the mind. This memory/experience/contextualiztion isn’t Nothingness. However, the memory/experience/contextualization may have benefit to the human mind and body. I try to maintain awareness of whether attachments and identifications form with the memory/experience/contextualization - because that can lead to a contracted mental state. I haven’t smoked 5-meo, yet I have vaped freebase and plugged HCL. Vaping is much shorter in duration with a milder afterglow. Yet, vaping offers the ability to modulate the intensity/experience in real time. For me, plugging duration is usually about 20 of full immersion and about 40min. of afterglow. Yet it’s a gradual process, there isn’t a “switch” from immersion to afterglow.

@nowimhere Yeah, been there. Plugging can last as long as 1-2 hrs. Usually closer to 1 hr. You struggle to remember it because it is not a memory but the very present moment. So any memory of it will not be it. You can't capture Nothingness in any way. It must be located NOW, NOW, NOW. No symbols can be used.

@Serotoninluv just me as I am now without tryin to think about any philosophical questions about inside this bubble, just a simple man with a simple mind in a transparent container that holds the normal laws of physics , this exercise gave me a feeling of nothingness for a short moment and it was profound ,

@seeking_brilliance it's not a question, just an exercise , after trying to imagine complete nothingness for some time , I sort of "got it " for a few seconds, and it created a profound experience , it might be because I'm not articulate enough but people don't seem to understand what I'm saying ✌️???

I would say the direct experience in the moment is muuuch closer than trying to imagine, figure it out or explain. Yet I’ve found simple images can be helpful. In this no anything, was there a sense that there was a “you” trying to imagine “nothing”? For example, in that space was there an observer that might think something like “wow, that nothingness is really cool”. Or, was there simply Nothing with no thoughts or observer? And then the bubble suddenly appeared with sudden awareness observing the bubble. In terms of thoughts, something like “whoa, a bubble. Hey, I’m back. What just happened? Did I disappear into Nothing just then”? Maybe not those exact thoughts, the “sense” of it is more important. In other words, was the appearance of the bubble necessary to realize there was Nothingness prior to the bubble?

Imagination is a subset of Nothingness/Infinity. By definition it can't imagine something infinitely "larger" than him. Could you imagine what being an adult was when you had 3 years old ? How far from reality was that ? Did you even had the capacity to imagine it in the first place ?

@Shin yeah but there would be no black , no vacuum , no space empty or not , but it's very difficult to imagine complete nothingness , maybe there is no such thing?

@Inliytened1 I think it may be an impossible question to answer , and may show that complete nothingness can't "be" . If the universe was finite there would be nothing to enter after the end but no force to stop you ,

@1liamo78 nothingness has no form. Even the word nothing is just a pointer. Thus in this case whatever your ideas of nothingness are is not nothingness. Be careful not to fall into a trap on what your ideas of nothingness are.