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To live ? Lol this is weird. A few months ago I had this answer from a human perspective, now it's an entirely different perspective which I consider to be the absolute = merging with life/reality. It seems that the world has turned upside down for me ? Not even to mention that this answer has been given in the form of a dream. It was a dove mistaken for being an alien

You should have sent it to the laboratory for further analysis. Maybe it was an alien form taking samples from your leg

Yes, but it's not a simple clear-cut matter, and it varies from person to person. It's not as easy as: I will pop this pill and it will show me aliens. The only way you'll know is by trying lots of different ones and taking careful notes on their characteristics for you. Yes Full-on Infinite God-Consciousness will blow notions of aliens and shit like that out of the water. None of that is important once you realize you are God. God is King. Don't settle for less than God. If an alien shows up, you tell him to take a hike and send in God. Don't be dealing with middlemen. Ask to speak to the supervisor

@GroovyGuru Its alright man, its sticky and dense stuff. I certainly get stuck in it too at times. We all do. Especially when it comes to politics. As I see it. Its a result of investing oneself too much in this "human" storytelling stuff. There is certainly a need to ....at times distance oneself, see this all of this from a.....zoomed out....alien perspective, a bit of editing , a bit of cache cleaning and de-fragment. Truly, you do not fully know who you are, you come from the deep misery, so do the "others". The ways their minds work and at what direction, to what extent and in what way their consciousness can and needs grasp stuff is unknown, its a mystery. Its helps with reducing judgement, adds humility and encourages exploration, it adds juice to every interaction and it makes judgement pointless, you'll certainly have good time in that space. What I have in mind atm is to suggest you try out the first exercise from John Kreiter's - Magnum Opus. See how it goes, it works quite well for me.

To me it looks like the Torus is the shadow of a 4d sphere. I've recently been interested in 3d shadows of 4d objects, so let's look at the sphere which is a more natural shape, unlike the cube. The surface volume of a Torus is the area of a circle timed by the distance of rotation to get the Torus shape, so it is pi(r^2) * 2pi(r) = 2(pi^2)(r^3) This is the same formula we have for the surface volume of a 4d sphere (hypersphere), taken from the internet here: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-calculate-the-volume-of-a-4-dimensional-sphere I find this fascinating, since we are talking about here the shape of the electromagnetic field of the Heart and it is shaped like a shadow of a 4d sphere?? HANG ON just one second!! Let's contemplate this further. If anyone has anything to add from their own research/experience that would be absolutely amazing. I feel like there is something important hidden here to be found and perhaps it can't be seen just by the left logical brain, nor can it be seen by just right-brain feeling/spirituality, but rather when these two work together (the middle way) something might be revealed. @Lucas Kehr I saw you wrote about the torus in relation to hidden alien technologies and stuff (which is what brought me back to the torus shape so thanks), but perhaps it's better to focus that research on something that is more actual for us and can be of benefit to our consciousness expansion rather than some conspiracy that might or might not be true and has no relevance to the truth of our being. Whether an alien spaceship is using a Torus field does not matter as much as the torus field already "generated" by your heart. PS: Some relevant material:

Why not live in comfort? The whole idea of comfort is foreign to me. This is because of my PTSD I have never felt a deep sense of comfort. I have always been thrown to the limits of despair. This has made the notion of comfort an alien to me. It's like I have to force myself to get some rest. Or else I will be working 24/7 like a maniac This obsession in me to work till my death on the desk is also a form of PTSD. I have been ingrained since childhood by my mother with the thought that I am Incapable, worthless and will never amount to anything in life. This sort of maternal abuse at an early age in my life, ages of 6 to 18, the most intense years of my maternal abuse have given me a permanent state of PTSD. Often times I don't sleep at all. I feel the need to keep working to prove to myself that I'm not as bad as my mother thought I was. This eternal need in me to seek the validation of a woman, a mother who never gave me a sense of closure, it drives me insane. The past few days I have been confronting this feeling. I never saw my mother resting. She would be working non stop. And in return I never learned how to rest myself. I was always made to think that comfort is a bad idea. These days I'm challenging that idea. Why not take comfort? Why not rest? A lot of this has to do with Self Destruction. The only way to deal with my childhood abuse was self destruction. I was a self destructing teen Cutting myself to release blood was a normal thing. Locking myself in a bathroom when I was 17 to get away from my mother's abuse was a daily thing. I used to play sad music, trying to vent my frustration and despair in an abusive environment Multiple suicide attempts. But all of it is just an endless cycle of self destruction. And I must say that I have come a long way from all of that. There has been tremendous progress in the past few years. A lot of it is psychological.

I wouldn't even consider this alien. The Zero Point Energy Field has been studied and used since the 1920s by folks like Tesla and Casimir. And though I can provide pics and videos of small scale free energy experiments, such as Rodin's VBM coil that causes a metal ball to spin forever, I can't find much else other than documentation proving the study and application of such systems. Firstly, this is because you need an abundance of support and resources for such research. Secondly, if its suppressed it'll be bought out, erased, or confiscated before it can be released to the public unless it's put out very quickly and openly on all platforms. It's like looking for a needle in a corrupt haystack.

@Lucas Kehr sure man. Just don’t let it be too big of a part of your life and part of being passionate about the scientific is always accounting for your own folly or your sources or the technology itself. Alien technology could exist on earth in secret but there no use convincing people on an Internet forum haha. I think that could be a healthy life purpose if you were more into discovery and innovation of new technology and not trying to prove a point. Just trying to help humanity like wilhelm reich. I think wilhelm reich and Tesla were smeared in bad faith because the government didn’t like what they were uncovering, but I have no evidence of shady dealing just seems pretty plausible based on the information. also the thing about Tesla and wilhelm reich is that they did the work and then let it speak for them, where as the reason why Greer isn’t more popular is because people want results and all most of them have is a narrative same crap happened with Russia collusion sometimes people don’t care about what actually exists if you can’t show them in plain writing. Is this unfair? Yea maybe but can you blame them, not really. conscious people will always have to deal with being discredited and called crazy it’s par from the course and I’m starting to realize that. just keep pursuing advancement and you’ll be great no need to worry about who believes you or not or trying to prove a point. and you’re welcome

I have seen no credible evidence that alien technology exits. Perhaps it does, but we are not going to go on a wild goose chase here based on some fringe possibility. If you have pics of alien technology, post 'em. Otherwise this is a waste of time.

You're basing your reality on a sample of primate sensory apparatuses that were limited by evolution to perceive fitness payoffs. Your whole experience of the world is shaped by the game of survival and reproduction. You didn't evolve to see the world "just as it is", but you evolved to see the world in a way that is beneficial for your survival. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_D._Hoffman You're actually not able to perceive things that are not either beneficial or relevant for your survival. You're not perceiving a world; you're perceiving an user interface. If an alien came to earth, it's not a given that he would even be able to see the Eifel Tower. Even so, distinctions made within that user interface are still relative and fictional. "Eifel Tower" is a culturally constructed concept. "You" and "me" is a concept. You need to be able to differentiate between conceptual constructs and raw experience. The moment you start making distinctions, you're now constructing concepts that only put labels on your experience. Raw experience is raw experience.

I think the being on the autistic on spectrum is a tough thing to deal with for men, including myself. Simple things like making eye contact even with your own family members in conversation can feel uncomfortable and difficult at times. It's not hopeless. Just sucks to have "high functioning autism" since childhood which impairs your ability to socialise well, leading to social anxiety, leading to more and more avoidance and making the problem worse. The only way out is to take action I suppose. I can't tell the difference between what's in my control or beyond my control with finding eye contact uncomfortable. And so that internal conflict of constantly beating yourself up with not living up to ideals takes a toll and wastes energy. I'm never fallen down an incel rabbit hole, and I don't plan to. I have the precipitating factors untill I learn social skills and building connection/joy from strangers. Problem is that I feel like an alien wearing a human costume, so low self esteem from that, so I avoid. Avoidance is the main theme Imposter syndrome. Dodging any and all responsibilities like the plague. Probably "avoidant personality disorder"

So THIIIIISSSSS is why you want to ruthlessly murder innocent aliens!!!!! Wow, I'm so glad I saw this. I'm sorry for calling you a chimp yesterday, I was thinking about what I said later on after I posted it and while I haven't changed my opinion on the whole alien thing, the other stuff was unneeded and made you even more defensive. We were both being shitty in some ways to relative degrees. God DAMN do you need to do some shamanic breathing to release that trauma and start melting away your materialist and rationalist ideologies! You do you and you do it when and if you're ready because it's sum RADICAL shit, my broah. Baby step it. I struggle greatly with socializing too because I have asperger's syndrome but doing yoga, shamanic breathing, hypnosis e.t.c. has and is continuing to make a difference. Sorry again for calling you a chimp.

Another thing to consider is how it could be that our perceived duality between life vs technology ceases to apply to the beings at question. It could be that their vehicles aren't actually vehicles, but rather extended parts of their bodies and minds, and ultimately consciousness. The UFO could be part of the body of whatever is controlling the UFO. It could be that the surface of the UFO has receptors for all wavelengths of light, so it could be like a spherical eye that communicates information directly to the mind of the alien. Maybe the UFO itself is sensitive to hundreds and hundreds of different aspects of reality, expressed within the alien mind as hundreds of different perceptions. If we were to say that we have a 100 sense perceptions, the UFO could have millions. Even stranger is that the mind of the alien might be so organic and adaptive that it could experience different kinds of information expressed within different dimensions of perception. You know how some people can "see" music? It could be that a single kind of information, like for example different wave-lengths of light, could be expressed within the alien mind as thousands of different perceptions at once, all giving it different kinds of insights into the nature of what it is experiencing. I just want to hammer down the idea that the kind of mind we are talking about here could not even be remotely comparable to what a human mind is. It wouldn't be a brain, determined in it's structure and function. What you perceive to be an ultimate reality, is not an utlimate reality. Everything about you as a human being, about what you deem to be logical, possible, coherent, all of these things are biological limitations. Your perception of Self, your sense that there is a world, a universe, other entities, time and space, all of these might be confines which the mind of the alien is not subjugated by. What you think is self-evident and what is so mundane that you do not even notice it, that might be nothing but a limitation which an advanced organism might have long abandoned. By long I mean that they might have abandoned it millions and millions of years ago. So from a point which is already so foreign to us that we could not even imagine what it would be like, it could be that they have spend millions of years advancing and becoming more and more foreign.

Are you sure that you were abducted by gray aliens and it wasn't just a dream? I've had lots of weird experiences and still can't be 100% that it wasn't just my imagination. And you said that your brother scared you with alien stories prior to this experience, so maybe that's the reason you had that dream.

I think its more useful to ask why hadn't any alien spaceships been shot down yet? With all the crazy impulsive people that ruled throughout the past century like Hitler and Stalin and Kim Jong . Its weird that their not interested in aliens or at least thats what it seems . Something fishy about it I think

Dude, we are simply not shooting down aliens. Period. Let it flow. The issue is that your whole paradigm is centered around the concept of 'humanity', and the more others try to approach you from outside of this view, the more same-level arguments you throw at them, such as it grants us survival, it's better for the future, it saves us from an indomitable doom. Those are all just parts of a single limited thought framework. Definitely work on trauma release if you intuitively notice this hard-thinking approach is rooted in the past. Use it for something good today. Not to form an alien-shooter masterplan. Much love.

This is a painful false equivalence. There are no lives at stake in the alien scenario, at least not immediately and probably not even into the near future. NUking Japan was a best case scenario in response to a chain of violence going back decades(started by a group of people who began attacking others unprovoked because they thought they knew what was quote unquote best for them!). This is it for me on this thread. You're too pig-headed. The last thing I'll say is that I hope you cultivate some more receptivity and then combine that with all the projecting you're doing. You'll project higher quality projections!

Dude......EVERYTHING I said went completely over your head. Your notion of intelligence is painfully limited. You seem to think that rational/computational/analytical intelligence is quote unquote intelligence period. I'm not sure how you would best transcend that huge limitation but transcend it for the sake of your own enjoyment and fulfillment in life if nothing else. You may have very high IQ but very low EQ/Wisdom, which generally leads people to think INCREDIBLY self biased and arrogant things like "Let's just blow this creature away and dissect it and pick things off it's carcass. You know.....FOR SCIENCE. You're acting emotionally here more than logically and are also probably very emotionally repressed which is actually IMPAIRING, skewing and corrupting your logic. One of the biggest traps rationalist zealots fall into is that they trick themselves into believing they are impartial. I'm still working on transcending that stuff too. I thought that emotions were quote unquote irrational and primitive but they're a necessary aspect of your being. One should not be weaponized against the other. But I'm getting too speculative at this point. An alien race may have a vast army with highly sophisticated tech and no mercy. They may take offense to an unprovoked assault same as a human would and may seek vengeance as many humans do. Your counter argument with the ants is overly theoretical, in practice you would get fearful and angry and automatically defend yourself if you believed that was your best option. Just like if another human put a gun to your head. There would be SOME form of a major response if they found out that a group of their own was killed like that and given where humanity is right now overall, i would submit to you that we would be totally unprepared. And the level of preparedness is relative to the nature of the species we would have pissed off in your hypothetical scenario. There are SO many angles you're blind to here. You're a desperate and greedy chimp who just wants to get his hands on some new shiny things. There's NO actual logic and sophistication in what you're proposing. He is definitely morally underdeveloped but the biggest underdevelopment for this guy is Emotional intelligence. If he did trauma release and other practices that develop you along that line like body scan meditation or practicing self expression, I think the lack of morality wouldn't be at least as much of an issue because he would be more empathetic and able to imagine what it would be like to be an alien just cruising through the galaxy....chillin.........and all of the sudden dying in a flaming wreck.

Oh I liked it, gave him a big alien - machine elf vibe

@Mikael89 People who are alien-like are usually not treated very well (unless they use their 'paranormal abilities'). They don't meet other people's Maslow needs, especially love and belongingness. They are 'low value' in the eyes of others. So there is no reason to stop projecting and to stop abusing them for the average person. Mostly they just want to be left alone.

I’ve met several people with paranormal abilities that self identify as being alien-like. One of the reasons they keep their abilities secret is to avoid getting abused by others.

@Mikael89 I think because aliens are so alien that we might not be able to anticipate their reactions. Like I just said, it depends on the relationship between that shot down alien spacecraft and the alien race @Leo Gura

As soon as we meet an alien we should hog tie him and beat out of him all his secrets. Then we mount his head as a trophy in the Oval Office.

@Mikael89 Okay, if it absolutely has to come down to shooting an alien spacecraft, which country would you peg likely to shoot it down? And who get's the first dib on the wreckage? I also would not be surprised if we can't reverse engineer such technology, because we had a real world occurrence of a USA drone crash landing in a middle eastern region and they picked it up, filmed themselves attempting to learn and reverse engineer the drone parts, but it failed.

@Mikael89 LOL! It's problematic depending on which side or position you see an alien spacecraft getting shot down, but ultimately Truth is impartial to whatever happens, even if we end up shooting an alien spacecraft, because in most cases keep in mind that misunderstandings can mostly occur especially the greater the differences. Depends on how they interpret our action against the spacecraft. Who knows, they might interpret it as an act of war, but also they might be neutral and patient, understanding that we seem primitive to them, or they might congratulate us because we happened to wipe out a group of alien terrorists for them, and from this violent act, we inadvertently get on their good planets to peace treaty a trade with!