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So the question is Why there are enlightened people with decades of enlightened life behind who still acts a bit unethical, such as committing things which are considered as wrongdoings or forbidden from religious/God perspective. In other words, people who sees reality in its actuality, with awakened eyes, soul, consciousness, heart, divine nature, who are full of bliss, love and interested in self-development, knowledge, growth, eternity, but who still neglect idea that you have to believe in existence of absolute yet very simple categories of forbidden and allowed, things which you shouldn't do and which you must do. Belief in existence of sins, misbehaviour, disobedience? Such as you shouldn't swear (use bad language). How does awakened nature allows them to do that? In video below enlightened master uses bad word (even though only one time during interview). And I am not judging him or anything or playing moralism. And I don't want to gossip about him, or to say that I am better than such actions (I am not), I am simply trying to make sense of the case above using this video as one example. Nothing against the person per se. Even he does it only once here and its not a big deal, but isn't he is so full of compassion and wisdom and righteousness? So how does it make possible for this to happen? In other words, what is the reason for highly awakened sage kind of people to do things that are normally considered as unjust or wrong? OR, why we as adults are tempted into thinking that there are no absolute categories of wrongdoing/forbidden? Meanwhile only such categories bring meaning and justification, justice to reality. Otherwise, its all one, and it doesn't matter what you do. You have animal body and corrupt mind and unjust world around you, so why you should believe in simple ideals that you once used to have as a little naive kid before you started to see corruption of higher authorities such as your parents and hence neglect absolute categories? I just want to have some understanding regarding these questions. Understanding regarding 1) why enlightened people with total clarity of perception and big conscious hearts can act unethically. and 2) what make us not to desire to believe that God forbids you to behave in certain ways. Coz clearly we don't want to believe that let's say you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that. We simply don't want that. What exactly makes us rebellious? Its not a question of good and evil, because they are relative and only God knows about them, but it is the question of believing in existence of categories such as legal and illegal or just and unjust or forbidden and allowed which are defined by highest authority hence absolute and not relative (while good and evil are defined by ourselves). Let's not discuss ethics, morals, good and evil per se, but lets discuss reasons of why things are these way. Thank you

@WelcometoReality That's exactly how I feel about it. I'm interested in learning japanese, studying law, playing the guitar, playing games etc. Spirituality is a theme I'm only into -- of course, it is a marvelous subject -- because of "enlightenment". The possibility of an end goal to this. I don't wanna be like Leo, dedicate my whole life to these different approaches and methods and searches and inquiries about this stuff. I wanna be a lawyer, god damnit Let me just come along, do the work, and come out enlightened to get on with my life (not "my life", but you get what I mean). There's no way we're all after enlightenment becoming homeless awakened beings, right?

Duality is confined to just two options. Yes/no good/bad black/white -mechanical part of the Human centers/auto pilot Duality + 1(third force/self conscious awareness-Will-attuned to strange strange attractor/Holy Spirit) = Being/nonduality Love is nondual Beingness is nondual -- multiple choice living in the present Awakened Human Being ?

@Highest I understand it's extremely hard to convey Truth/Nonduality thu language, which is inherently dualistic, but the opinion about Atheists above is dualistic views. Do you as God realize that any Atheist you encounter is just a dream character you dreamed up? Thus they never are doing or have ever done anything, as they don't actually exist. Only you, God, are dictating their thoughts. And it's all happening only within your direct experience, in this moment only. Is this the way you understand things to be true? To me (because I have not had an Awakening yet, still believe I'm human and everything is material and dualistic) it's all just concepts, because I have not experienced God in my direct experience (I realize that once awake I may/will realize it always as been in my direct experience). Just out of curiosity, have you fully experienced/awakened to being God/ Infinity/ the creator of universe and all of reality/the Truth of Truths, or is your views and shared wisdoms beliefs based on teachings?

Morality and Ethics are just human conventions that change over time. Awakening is beyond that. Let's not confuse conventions with Enlightenment, even the extreme of taking a life is still justified in the natural plane, that does not mean you should do it, simply means reality does not care, is not lower vibration, in fact is the highest. So the conventions kicks in human minds, not because they are born that way, is because society was like that long time ago, now you choose to be hunted down or not, intelligence comes in place now, rather than morality and ethics. The purely moral and ethical human being will never Awakened, because he is afraid of even thinking of doing evil things, and if he does he goes to repression mode.

Reasons lie within the realm of ego. When you talk about highly awakened people, you may refer to: Ones that abide in eternal ego death. Blank mind. Those 'people' have no reasons whatsoever and interpreting their actions through this lens is nonsensical in my opinion. Ones that developed the ability to see through the egoic mind while retaining it. This ability can be used to put your self-refinement on overdrive, but it also means that you are still egoic and prone to errors. I have a hunch that Peter Ralston is in the second category.

Are you awakened?

I've developed the ability to control my own individual chakras and of others around me. Is really simple when you are sensitive enough. But don't go into the BS of fixed shapes and the literal stories from religious books. They are in reality organs in your body that are part of the basic parts of the brain. To use those parts, that we call subconscious mind is the process of destruction and shattering of your personality and the world as you know it now. After you discover what the hack are your own organs and how to control them. Yes it's possible to control Breath, Temperature, Heartbeat, Emotions, everything really. Even those around if they are dormant. From experience i can tell, the most awakened human can influence the less awakened. So is not that crazy in thinking if you awake to such a degree you can literally influence the course of the world. Just by having a direct opinion on how the world should, be aware enough of your own harmony and this is achieved. Being the reason so much fake news around, and they usually happen, because many people buy that and their grain of influence, build huge mountains of influence upon everyone.

Do a group meditation with someone who is awakened. For the initiates will be a like a DMT trip and what not? many crazy abilities. I do this kind of meditation with my family and friends. All kinds of beautiful insights arises in people along the way.

@Paul92 I was in a similar boat after a quit Christianity and became Atheist. But after a year or so it hit me so hard that i have awakened, and since then crazy shit has happened over the years. And sci-fi type of crazy shit that i can explain an prove So give it time, don't force the belief, go the contrary, is what i did, maybe it will sort out for you, who knows.

if you are really awakened and see that indeed there's no you, what now ? Will you stay sitting in a room staring the wall ? There's nowhere else for you to go, you'll have to stick around until the body dies, so what difference does it make having or not having sex, neither is wrong, There's people who need to have sex, a partner, and there is people who need to drop it and wake up, there's no free will anyway, so people wanting sex is inevitable. Each individual is in it's on level of development. You have to be careful because the mind/ego is very, very trick, the first awakening I had, the mind tried to make a new ego out of it, I was becoming a zen devil like Leo said, I was thinking that now I knew better, because I'd awoken, but fortunately I saw soon enough what was going on.

I think your advice is not very useful for most people, here in this sub people write to ask for advice for dating/relationship, most are far away from understand such a thing as non duality, are you awakened ?

Which is precisely what sages do. Sages don’t tend to just play on one end of the paradox where they never suffer. Of course you’re free to do whatever you want (in a sense). The desire to become a sage for me isn’t about having some title. It’s about having enough of a vision down the road about what I value most and what I’m going to want to contribute as a result of the work that will need to be done. You can be fully awakened to God and that is what you are but once you sustain that level of consciousness throughout your daily life, living for your own selfish agenda that doesn’t impact anybody else despite the fact that it’s an illusion tends to not be that satisfying anymore. Living for just pure comfort and hedonism and it’s all for you on the relative side of things just stops making sense. For me, I don’t want to speak for anyone else, I feel amazing when I give all of myself to someone and there’s that devotion. Whether it be with a person and I go grab them a meal and pass that on to them, $10 a hug and a conversation or picking up trash along a trail and then looking at the trees and hills and feeling a love for that and thinking ‘what if my work was like that for the world?’ I’m with you in a lot of ways. If someone for example is enlightened and they’re cool with being a life coach or programmer and they never ever talk about what they know and that’s what they want to do, man that’s awesome. If that drive isn’t there to talk about spiritual matters, then throw that idea in the trash. The main thing I think is missed about sages is that they don’t just play on one end of the paradox of never feeling pain or suffering. Christ I think is an inspiring example of that. Even people like Sadhguru today I think are great role models of that. These people serve and give beyond themselves. They aren’t some nondual know it all keyboard jockeys who talk about how everything is all an illusion and there’s nothing to do.

Here I am, still alive haha! So, here is what's new. I fell on A spiritual teacher named ''Byron Katie'', her work, actually called ''the work'', touched me deeply, and lighted up something also, a powerful one. I can share what it consists of, cause it's so simple. Four questions: 1: Is it true? 2: are you absolutely sure it's true? 3: how does that though / belief makes you feel? 4: Who would you be without the thought? ++: Turn the through around (ex: ''This guy always does idiot things when I'm here'' would be ''I always do stupid things when he's here'') which is a way to recognize how a tough affects us in a mirror effect. When you see someone closed minded, guess who is becoming closed minded is his presence? (meditate on that ) The thing is, this is already what I was doing, or what I was trying to do, which is to free myself from limiting, though, because when in such a path, you come to recognize that it is primordial to do so, since your belief affects your perception, so affecting your reality and actions, and dictating your life. If, for example, I am ill, but believe ''No one can help me'', a simple belief like this one, seeming inoffensive, is very powerful. I will listen to people advice while throwing them in my mind trash, because my perception will be altered to believe what I'm hearing cannot help. Those beliefs are very disempowering. The light that has been awakened by what I came through is a strong distinction between what is real and what is a thought or a belief. Now only that, but that this very statement is not useful that much, but that working on looking at one belief at a time and questioning its reality is where the importance lies. I'm coming to recognize that I have a lot of limitations to transcend (this is a belief too ). When you see your condition with clear enough eyes, you can be in pain with no suffering, you can even laugh in gratitude. I'm coming to think that I might have to go to the doctor again, but this time, I will go with a different pair of eyes, one that does not resent the doctor like I did, and do not think he will only do me harm... Yes, I thought that. I wanted so much to heal with my own mind, to heal by myself, but there is a rigidity in that, that makes me feel isolated. This ''I'll do it by myself'' is closing me from the world. It's not that all people who are ill should go to the doctor, everyone has its path, and can listen within to know what's demanded from them at the moment. This was asked from me, but I was arrogant, I still am, I am just opening to being helped by others, it feels light, it feels free, it remembers me that people are here to help, this is true. My condition is varying a lot, from almost no pain, to condition that are kind of all over the body, it's weird and difficult to know. I don't know what I have, that's for sure haha... It feels like I'm on the right path, and funny enough, when the belief that I'm not coming, it's an opportunity to question it, to see it's reality. I commanded two books by Katie, even tho they turn around those 4 questions. I love to bath in her stillness through her words. For anyone who is ready for unraveling their beliefs, even the strong ones, and ready to undertake a journey where they embrace that only they will go through it, which is required for a work like this, Go for the work of Katie. The power will be given in a pure and simple way, right into your hand, and you just have to walk it, see where it takes you. I am on this road. You will have the news about it, joy on you! haha. Right now, I'm in a Starbucks coffee, reading ''a mind at home with itself, by Byron Katie'' and writing to you guys. I'm in pain right now, just saying, so I can say I'm not in one article in the future . I sure hope that this story I'm writing will become a road for some to go through their struggle and unravel them to their authenticity. We all go through difficulties, and difficulties are difficult for all, no matter how the outside look. Our belief can overpower us so much that someone that seems externally to have everything can be in suffering, because true liberation is within, suffering too. Let's walk this road together. We sure are completely alone in this walk, but let's walk it together anyway. Be blessed with truth.

Let me disagree with Leo here. One knows what is real when something falls out of harmony, out of infinite. Take the example of DiCaprio in the movie Inception. The spinner always falls from spinning, it stops when he is set in reality. So, as a rule, in a dream you feel infinite, boundless, relaxed, even if it's a fixed dream/movie in your head. In reality one feels pressure and pain in the body when the real comes in, even if one has not transcended/awakened, feels the reality in his/her own fixed mentality .

By experience i can say, this reality or name it incarnation is the highest stage of consciousness; why? Because one can experience nothingness. The formless paradigm is just a projection on the basis of being. To shoot for the formless as priority is to be dead. Pure nothingness experienced through your being is something. Being dead is something else, there is no more experience through your being, there is no more identity, is only cold and chaos. Those who have died in can tell, they are envious in a way of the living. Because being dead re-incarnation is just a belief of the living. There is no re-incarnation, there is new life only, always. But those on the logic side can argue this all day, it has no meaning. There are no 2 beings out there alike, only conditioning by external sources and external beliefs. All this was created, (the afterlife) for those who have not awakened, to give them a sense of purpose. Those who already know how to rejuvenate the body they just laugh in the darkness, because the majority of humanity has no clue that is possible to reach a kind of immortality in this body, they think they will be bored, lol! But little they know that the changes of the body/mind can go to infinite growth. I speak about this banned or insane things because i'm experiencing it.

@Tony 845 there are many levels to awakening. I'd say that most people on the forum have awakened to some level, but if you're talking about high levels of awakening/full embodiment of enlightenment, then there are few on the entire planet. A few thousand at most, perhaps. This is no small feat!

@Tony 845 There is no one to become awakened. That realization is what awakening is.

@Tony 845 Short version: yes. Nuance is important though, so here for the long version: I and some friends/acquaintances got transmissions from Ramaji around a year ago, a little more. Few of us went on to make forum posts about how we were enlightened, in a rather juvenile, what one might call zen-devily way. Here's what I gathered from my experience: 1) Yes, Ramaji's transmissions do have an effect and can in a number of times facilitate entry into a state of abiding non-dual awareness. What I mean by that is becoming consciousness of nothingness behind self and world, a falling a way of the normal contracted sense of being an observer sitting behind the eyes, as well as the doer of the body's actions. It personally took me 6 times iirc to experience what Ramaji refers to as 1k. Some people were told they reached 1k but didn't really experience anything. So it was varied. I've also heard that some people have had countless sessions over time without much progress, and it would seem as if the transmissions may be weaker nowadays. 2) 1k isn't by any means the highest state of enlightenment. I wouldn't call it enlightenment at all, although by this forum's general definition it is an enlightened/awakened state. There's many depths of enlightenment. Ramana Maharshi, who Ramaji considers 1k, was definitely nearer to enlightenment than Ramaji. It's not even a comparison. Likewise, the depth of enlightenment between Ramaji and people he awakened through transmissions, including other RASA givers and his wife Ananda Devi, is nowhere near the same. Ramaji has a four-decade plus journey behind him, people can't just get RASA and be as enlightened as him. 3) Ramaji has plenty of ego issues, as do other RASA givers. 4) Ramaji could help you reach non-duality, perhaps, but it's important to point out the path doesn't end at that. You'll still have layers upon layers of karma, which could cause anything from a deep-down dissatisfaction with life to hard-to-bear suffering. If the suffering is more mild, being in non-duality will make it easier to be escapist and pretend like there's no I, life is perfect, etc. Someone who takes years or decades of contemplation to enter a non-dual state will have more perspective and maturity. Hope some of that helps.

In the presence of an awakened human, one will start to awaken and heal etc. So in other words, this is how one can say about someone yes or no.

Depends greatly on the influence in the environment you live. If you have not awakened to a certain minimum, then life is a drag and is not your fault. Change where you live if you want to stay on the same consciousness level of being and be productive.

About inhabiting the belly center, in regards to three centered awareness, Arnold Keyserling put it this way. The normal way of being for an ordinary person should contain the capacity for occupying the belly center in which you can embody something or completely disidentify from it. Otherwise, people become stuck inside their head and then they're just a poor bastard enmeshed in concepts. A 'poor bastard' being someone who has no inner silence. This has been me for most of my life. His earthy way of putting it made bells go off inside me. If you have ever observed yourself as having this condition of being stuck in the head, you know what I'm talking about. In regards to multiplicity, everyone is pretty much their own ship of fools, each of whom are trying to control the helm. Aside from integration, in Christian Hermeticism, freeing of the guardian angel occurs when the heart is awakened and purified. Looking at the Cosmos through the I-CHING. This same inner process allows assistance from the "helpers" who are defined as individualized aspects of the Cosmic Consciousness and of nature that are neither humans nor Angels. Carol Anthony claimed that divination revealed to her that the identity of the "helpers" are what's known today as the phenomenon of "Orbs". ?‍♂️ Activation of the helpers can only happen when we are in harmony with the Cosmos. In that sense, subservience is just as detrimental as arrogance. The helpers are activated by one's contact with the harmony of the inner truth of one's True Self. Returning to the vocabulary of Esoteric Christianity, I correlate this harmony as one being in contact with awakened Conscience.

Habits streaks of week 7 I notice that the morning routine is easier than breaking habits. Now I enjoy watching films and series in the weekend. Normally I would watch everyday. I'm so happy that I reduced this time consuming habit. I was addicted to TV my whole life. I re-listened to Leo's spiral dynamics stage orange and green "how to transcend" part and I realized that I might be more developed then I thought. Many of the resistances of stage green I don't experience and I always try to keep an open mind. If I keep my life in check as it is right now I might grow into yellow faster than I think. I talked with a friend of mine who is very keen in noticing my development. He told me that I'm pursuing enlightenment, but that I probably don't do this consciously. Maybe he is right, maybe he is wrong. What matters is that I make progress and in this very moment I feel more in control of my life than ever before. Since my break-up I awakened to purpose. I don't know it yet, but their are layers and layers to discover. One purpose of mine is to move up the spiral and help others to do the same. How I'm going to do this will be the external manifestation of this purpose, like a mask, a cover up for conscious development and I'm the only one who will understand what is behind that mask. Day game Last week I did 9 approaches in total. I have trouble to make time for it do do a lot of approaches on a day and I keep making excuses which I can't hide from myself, because I'm to aware of it. It's like being pushed in a corner, but I know that I went in the corner all by myself and being in the corner while knowing I put myself there creates a weird feeling inside me. maybe Leo his awareness is curative video can be useful for this. 5 of those approaches I did with my wing. 1 approaches ended with changing numbers, the girl didn't respond, but I see it as an achievement anyway. I also approached men as well to strengthen my social muscle. I feel more happy in general, normally I would feel 4/10 now its like 6,5/10 which is a huge change. It feels like I nurture my soul and connection to other souls in this life.

In @Leo Gura's latest video he mentioned that it's better to become awakened during this incarnation instead of live a life of suffering. But he also says that God may have a lifetime for suffering planned for us/himself if that's what he wants to experience. This idea, along with the one regarding us having no free will, makes me wonder how me, my ego can really choose to do anything. Every time Leo mentions making a 'decision' in his videos I wonder how decisions can be made with no free will, or is this another one of those lovely paradoxes? I'm just trying grasp how I can make a decision when God is in the driving seat.

If this makes any sense, or aha moments? or mystical experiences? It seems we can’t group these all together cause every case is different, this “no self” thing keeps going deeper & deeper for me, I can almost feel it changing me daily or that my physche is getting re-wired, I can literally feel it all over my head, I know it sounds stupid, but seriously. Just wondering also why kundalini doesn’t seem to get a lot of attention on this forum, a lot of people seem to snub it, from the research that I’ve done it could be a gateway or prerequisite towards enlightenment, my kundalini is awakened I can literally feel it on some level all day long in my body & on my head (crown chakra/3rd eye pulsating most of my my day) just think it doesn’t get enough due diligence. Some people will say it’s “just energy” well this just energy not a whole lot of people seem to know about it, I sure as hell didn’t ( had no clue a body could twitch, jerk & rotate during meditation) Now I’m stuck with it & yes I know it’s still not enlightenment im not hanging my hat on it but it’s still an important topic. Just saying... im also pretty sure the kundalini is actiavating different areas of “my brain” still soo weird to me, I’m also having no luck at all in finding a guru at least to talk to?‍♂️ I’ve been looking...