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@Twega How old are you bro? (18-22?) Guess what, almost everyone screwed up too. Many people ended up in jail. Some for crimes they didn't even commit. Some people just got runover by a drunk. Some ended up committing suicide. Many got brainwashed in to settling for wage slavery for ever, no higher vision horizon in their periphery, just sights of a stable boring job & a mortgage. You didn't really screw up. What you have ahead of you is a gift. You are free, young, educated it seems. The world is your oyster. Leo has extremely high standards. Maybe you screwed up according to his standards, but it's pretty common. But you what I'm actually a hypocrite. I keep thinking how I should be on route to being a millionaire by now. Almost mid twenties & I have nothing but some faith.

Where would you map these Archetypes on the Spiral Dynamics model? I would say: Worrior is at Red and Orange Lover is at Blue and Green Magician is at Green/Yellow/Turquoise King is at Yellow/Turquoise I plan to structure my Instagram account with these 2 concepts where I will teach through them. I plan to have different costumes, symbols, and colors on my videos etc. For example: Video about Discipline: I will teach it through Orange and Worrior Video about Meditation: I will teach it through King. So in this case King is combination of Worrior and Lover (Orange and Green) . I want to convince orange to meditate by telling them how it will increase their productivity, discipline and words that appeal to orange and then finish up with green mix where all this outward success is all about love and connection (in an orange sort of way) . Video about Patience: I will teach it thorough King ( Let me just note that I will not limit myself with this concepts, I will structure my acc so I could do and be who ever I want) . So because I will hit Orange hard in the begging (I want to integrate it) , the video about Patience (King) will communicate that even though we need massive action , we also need space for love, for relaxation, because you are more productive this way(in this case, man is stuck in masculine energy) etc. And if you can't relax, and you are in your head all the time then it means you have problems with feminine energy, and you will learn about it through Lover archetype etc... I will post a video that I shut half a year ago when I started experimenting with this idea, just for you to get a sense of what Im talking about (it is way better now hue hue). People in my city still think that Im crazy LOL (their criticism made me grow so much) It is about toxic Red/Blue. I shoot another video where I explained Red entering Blue. In 0;56 I speak in English It is a line from Pulp Fiction hehe I will mix in music, photography, film, acting etc. on my Instagram also. It will be short entertaining videos, especially The Magician Archetype hehe ! (I designed Integration map for myself...Bravo Eddie, how cleaver!) Here is my Instagram if you want to follow the amazing transformation (realizng LP) and what I will achieve in one year : https://www.instagram.com/alhemija21veka/ Stage Orange Picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGVf8wblp8I/ What do you guys think about all this above? Do you have any ideas that you want to share? This is kinda separate from the post above, but, what do you think about this perspective? Until two years ago I had no education whatsoever.I was walking through life with all sorts of addictions like : video games, alcohol, porn, weed and many more etc. And this way of living (which was led by traumas and toxic culture)made me to the point of big depression and contemplating suicide. This suffering and closedmindedness triggered a full circle. I became radically openminded. This is why Im everywhere on the spiral right now in just two years. So I have two ideas here: 1. Most of the people who are "educated" (Blue/Orange) in Serbia are very closed minded because: they already think they know if they are questioned about their beliefs from above which is rare ( Healthy Orange , Green) they lash out if they are questioned about their beliefs from below, they have already made up answer that reinforces their beliefs when they "win" the argument etc 2. But people who are uneducated, and are ready to get out of the rut (like me in a way).They will be radically open minded because the things they will learn will generate results they didn't have their whole life ( basic orange stuff ), just like I discovered self-help. It was new world for me. And in my case my traumas didn't heal until I started Shadow-Work, but my traumas forced me to work on myself, and when I found out that money and aprrovel(im generalizing) doesn't heal me I was forced into Green and Yellow, which would not be possible if I didn't had that trauma and haven't find Leo. So my point here is: Uneducated traumatized 25 year old will have more potential for selfacutalization then "educated"(some sort of degree) 25 year old. Does that make any sense? It is generalization I know, but my old friends that are stuck in the rut, are now becoming more openminded(because of my example) and willing to learn then my orange friends who have good jobs, cars, way healthier life style they will believe me (not everyone of-course...most of them will not, most of them will demonize me... Im talking about potential selfactualizesers) and do the work Traumas are big motivators for growth if you survive the crash in the first place For example now ! I still have problems with Fe - Ti loop . And this trauma of what people will think about what I typed in this post forces me to explore other people perscpectives, which means... to explore myself. You see?

There are too many dangers to list them all: Rape, abuse, molestation, perversion, enslavement, sex trafficking, exploitation and manipulation Pregnancy, abortion, miscarriage Diseases Cheating Heartache, depression, suicide Jealousy, envy Reputation, gossip, slander Illegitimate heirs and bastard children Embarrassment Addiction, attachment Fear, worry Financial concerns Lost friendships, broken family bonds Interferes with workplace duties, interferes with family duties, interferes with spiritual duties Etc. Small tribal life is very different from modern society. A small tribe is like a family. There are strong intimate bonds between all the people so that keeps you in check. In a modern society anonymity removes all those checks. Hence norms and laws are necessary.

Just to be fair, those progressives calling to defund/disban the police are also hypocrites and fools. Today TYT is yelling about why the police didn't show up sooner. Talk about hypocrisy. If you defund the police, how are they gonna protect you from an armed MAGA coup? Police need to be well-funded and well-armed. But also well-trained. The progressive slogan to defund the police is probably the clearest example of stage Green stupidity. I understand that they mostly mean to reallocate funds to social work and the like, but a social worker is not gonna stop a crowd of MAGA idiots. That slogan -- defund the police -- is like political suicide.

If by 'a lot' you mean more than 0 then yes. There's a lot at play here. Several polarizing issues face us and when we look under the hood, it seems to no align with what is being sold as truth. I would be extremely careful if you hold a stance on anything that makes you mock someone for their views. Suicide Weekend approaches swiftly and then coming weeks will be hard on everyone. If I were me and I Am, I would not risk any of my worthless fiat in a coin that doesn't have any utility and I certainly wouldn't put it in a 'store of value' during the Greed or Delusion portion of a market cycle.

@Nyseto yeah, but suicide and depression might be too complex, because they are very conceptual activities. I certainly witnessed how dogs/cats that my family had were becoming more sad and depressed as they suffered from something (some disease or they were lonely or they were stuck at home for too long time) I'd even say there are levels of consciousness in animals too! Think of a wild dog. It is a scary and dangerous beast, can be hyper aggressive. Mainly because he is in constant survival mode, having to hunt his food, etc. But now think of a typical domesticated dog. Most of his needs if not all are taken care of: constant stream of food, warm "bed", play, has a territory that is automatically contested for him, has a company, hell, he can even get free sex and recreation without doing really that much on his own part! Such an easy life! Compare now how both dogs then behave socially, how much friendlinness they have, how much happiness they have, damn, there is even such a thing as selflessness in dogs! In those that are super devoted to you

I'll have to disagree on that one. How can animals have an egoic mind that they can identify with so they can be evil? Yes their outward manifestation of survival is brutal, but how could it come from evil? In your video about the devil you said evil is selfishness, the belief that you are a separate self. How can an animal believe it's a separate self when it's brain is so underdeveloped physically compared to a human's? Doesn't enlightenment only exist for human beings because humans are the ones with the problem of identifying with their minds whereas animals and plants are already enlightened? Have you ever seen an animal want to commit suicide? I don't know, saying an animal is evil is like saying a hurricane is evil. Someone enlighten me

I believe it. Sky-high suicide rates for trans people is a statistic that speaks for itself. This is not the argument, it is the insanity of prioritising the 1% over the 99% then expecting to win elections (yes, the right does this to, but they at least pretend that their economic theories will benefit the whole). Issues like fair living wages, opposing corrupt lobbyist groups, safe working conditions, sustainable population growth (including immigration) and clean air affect the vast majority. A proper left-wing culture would place issues like these first. Yes, the far-right is uniquely militant. No effort is made to act in good faith, as the name of the game is winning at any cost. This is partly necessary as they do represent a minority who must compensate for their numbers with sheer aggression. They do, but in the process they form a very divided culture. For example, the feminist groups would want a woman as president regardless of policies on the myriad of complex issues. (All things being equal, I'd support this, but it does defy commonsense in practice.) Such voters would not want to support any male candidate. Again, we have a situation where the left has divorced itself from being sensible and reasonable, being too at war with itself to be compelling to an average person. Those who voted for Trump in the hope of bitch-slapping the left into being sane again have a valid grievance that sadly has still not been properly recognised by the mainstream.

In a single payer system, your out of pocket expenses will decrease. Even though taxes go up, there will be no copays or deductibles so you will be saving money. Why would you want to pay extra money to billionaire health insurance CEOs for substandard health care and to corrupt pharmaceuticals that put profits over people. The pharmaceutical-engineered opioid crises was a massive violence that caused immense suffering to millions of people. And pharmaceutical companies got away with it. There is massive waste in health care right now. The U.S. has one of the most wasteful health care systems in the world. Well, actually that “waste” is our money getting funneled to corrupt health insurance / pharmaceutical CEOs and lobbyists. And who are these “lazy” people you are referring to? Poor people that are unemployed? Even if we provide the poor with healthcare and they don’t pay into it, everyone’s cost goes down. What you are saying is that you would rather pay MORE money to corrupt billionaires for an inefficient shitty healthcare system, than pay LESS money for a superior health care system if that means “lazy” people get it for free. . . This is the classic culture war that republicans and corporate democrats use to distract us from seeing corrupt plutocrats are screwing us over. And Universal Healthcare will increase the health of the entire society. It is a far superior system, you will save money, your health care will not be owned by your employer and the health of society will increase. No developed country in the world would trade their M4A system for the U.S. system. The most conservative politicians in Canada would never run against M4A, it would be political suicide. I agree that some on the left can be dogmatic have have little tolerance for dissenting views. Yet I also think what the views are is important. If I disagree with someone on the left about the best strategy on how to get M4A. For example, some on the left have been annoyingly dogmatic about forcing an M4A vote. I would probably favor this strategy, yet their are also other strategies to consider and some on the left can get locked into one strategy and get so annoying. Yet this is very different than someone trying to undercut progress toward M4A.The U.S. is decades behind other countries on health care. There are a lot of people suffering and a lot of people on the left are fed up with factually incorrect arguments from the Republicans and corporate Dems like “M4A will cost us trillions more and we can’t afford it”. I would say educating people to overcome right wing and neoliberal propaganda is important, yet sometimes it gets frustrating for the left and they get tired of the bullshit and lose their patience. A good example would be Vaush. Imo, he is doing a good job overall educating the public and persuading people, yet sometimes he gets so frustrated he has emotional tantrums and unloads on people. Yet I would agree that there are some on the left that have a lot of energy. This energy is important for progress, yet it can also lead to confrontations.

Tuesday 29/12/2020 23:56 I've got my sleep regular and early, exceptionally rare for me, and have been working out. But nothing changes. Very few people are aware of what actual futility means, and of what it means to see that you're a false self. No matter what I do, no matter what ideology or hobby I pick up, the hidden motive to make these things fill some whole or define me fails. It's painful to see how you're a false character, and it's crazy when others don't see it in themselves.They are totally immersed in the dream, no doubt or suspicion, from the womb to the grave without a hitch. There are also those who explore the depths of their egos in wonderlands of mysticism and paint the spiritual path as one of infinite accumulation. This is false, the path is one of subtraction and self dissolution. I can now consciously admit to myself that a lot of my disturbances have been due to my old self dying. And that's unfortunate because, I don't think this is a good thing, so far it seems like only another hell awaits me from leaving this hell. -- I thought that I was willing to forfeit my life (not physical suicide) for the sake of whatever must manifest. But I see that such a commitment requires entering grief and a lot of suffering. And I don't know if I can ever muster the courage and strength of will for it. There is no point to life, and that's obvious to anyone. But nonetheless, the show goes on. Many a time I try to "stand tall" to the winds of negative emotion, but the oak tree only falls over. And I can feel that the wind will knock me over, again and again, untill I'm willing to simply let go. Let go, and let the feeling grind and rub against my core being. Still need the warrior mindset, just in a different form. Time to Captain Ahab and Eren Jeager this bitch up. The jihad on your life. ?La vida sola vi vivirás ?

My younger sister (19) is currently in a relationship with a guy who is 37. I am trying to be open minded and all but I am still a bit concerned about this, especially since I am the only one who knows about their relationship because she doesn't what to tell anyone else from our family (it would be a suicide if she did, lol). As far as a guy is concerned he seems to be nice. He is an english teacher and they share lots of common interests like meditation, yoga, chakras and stuff. I haven't met him in person, but I saw his pictures and he doesn't look like a sociopath serial killer, lol. The only shady thing that I've noticed is that they met on tinder and he lied about his age in his profile and didn't confess for like a month. His excuse was that he was afraid that my sister would leave him and he didn't want that to happen since he liked her so much. P.S. it's not like my opinion would change anything because I trust my sister with the responsibility to handle her relationships herself anyway.

Coming for a check in after some days lag. 1.What where you doing before the thread was opened? Anything important? Was tending my garden and looking after the Christmas decorations 2. How did you get to where you are now? Walked 3. Do you really know if you were doing anything before opening this thread? Yea. 4. If applicable, what did you block out to focus on the check in? I had such dark thoughts about suicide. I wanted Christmas to be a happy one. So I'm going to start a daily prayer service. 5. What is now, compared to before? Maybe and hopefully positive 6. Who am I? A character in a play. 5. Is this a dream? Maybe a nightmare ----------------------------- Further questions presented by @Preety_India 8. Am I more focused now than before? Sort of. I'm trying to increase my focus by doing the following daily checks and along with this awareness checks to feel alive and active during this winter. I need to do a regular temperature check on myself from today because I've been feeling sick. Next I want to do a Daily activity and Daily alertness test.. So these checks or tests Daily Awareness check Daily Alertness check Daily Temperature test Daily Emotional Test (since I feel suicidal almost every 3rd day of the week) Daily Activity check Daily Productivity Test 9. On a scale of 1 to 10, (10 being the strongest) what is my focus level today or now? At most 3.

It depends. I agree with the stoic views on suicide. The best end to a good life is a good death. If I am ever at the point where I ACTUALLY have nobody who is dependent on me and most of my family is dead and i get something like cancer I beleive i would head down to a woods or something and just appreciate how great life has been and take myself out while I'm still in good mind. Ending life with no recolection of it and in intense pain is always another option. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://orb.binghamton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1183%26context%3Dsagp&ved=2ahUKEwjzyIeuvuftAhWIq1kKHYljB9gQFjACegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1hnOA9ZS8FrT9PEpC0xdeB

I think it's better to not bring more living beings to existence. Yes, logically, people should, but maybe not all people. That's my personal little opinion. Feel free to disagree. I hope I'm allowed to say this opinion. It's very politically incorrect to say it but.. it is what it is.. sorry. There are probably a few people who have a pleasant life which is worth living. The problem is that we are equipped with a integrated strong survival instinct. Which wins over pretty much anything, rationality, etc. So because of that you can get trapped in life, even if you don't want to live. It's like a prison. -------------------- "There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy. All the rest — whether or not the world has three dimensions, whether the mind has nine or twelve categories — comes afterwards. These are games; one must first answer." - Albert Camus -------------------- "If I were to be totally sincere, I would say that I do not know why I live and why I do not stop living. The answer probably lies in the irrational character of life which maintains itself without reason." "Nothing is better proof of how far humanity has regressed than the impossibility of finding a single nation, a single tribe, among whom birth still provokes mourning and lamentations." "I long to be free—desperately free. Free as the stillborn are free." "Without the faculty of forgetting, our past would weigh so heavily on our present that we should not have the strength to confront another moment, still less to live through it. Life would be bearable only to frivolous natures, those in fact who do not remember." "Better to be an animal than a man, an insect than an animal, a plant than an insect, and so on." "Salvation? Whatever diminishes the kingdom of consciousness and compromises its supremacy." - Emil M. Cioran I think in most cases there is more suffering and struggle than joy.

Ofcourse. Usually is a shit choice tho. Too controlled by illusions most of the time when such a decision is taken. But if taken in wisdom, not so much a shit choice. Only wise suicide I can think of really is either Mahasamadhi or choosing to die before without suffering of a terminal illness (Like severe Radiation Poisoning, etc.)

I was contemplating and I got an insight... The question here is: Should suicide be facilitated and organized by government? And my answer is: If we were at that level of understanding, no one would want to commit suicide in the first place. The main reason why people would hate being alive is because of the abuse that others execute all the time. Suicide is basically a reaction to the limitations that are imposed on the ability to live a decent life. It is a reaction to the retarded & corrupt capitalist system that we currently have. Abusers at the top of the capitalist system would never want to facilitate such a thing because it goes against their agendas of greed and expansion. An image of slaves 2500 years B.C. jumping off of the Egyptian pyramids comes to mind.

Hey @PhilGR, If we are not talking about the 'good' and 'bad' aspects of it, and just are talking about their right to take away their lives - what do you have to say about these two examples - are both these situations the same? 1) A 17 year old jumping off the building after a heartbreak 2) A suicide bomber in a mall. They both wish to commit the same act - but should both have the same right? If you tell that the suicide bomber shouldn't be given the right because he will end up killing other people - you have already taken a moral position, and there is a presupposition of certain ethical standards - and hence, it becomes relative.

ofc not, all suicide committers should be thrown in jail, CRIMINAL SCUM

To assume that anyone is in the position to decide whether we are allowed to commit suicide or not is exactly the same as assuming to be in a position of deciding over someone else's life/death altogether. Are you allowed to live? Well, nobody is in the position to decide that for someone else, at least according to our common sense and law.* Are you allowed to die? Do you see how this is basically the same question? *I live in Europe; death penalty is not allowed, so my reasoning might vary to the laws of your particular country.

Unlike you LMFAO You didn't answer my question about free samples, why is that? Let's try again Have you ever seen free samples? How is giving away food supposed to make companies money? I guess we'd find out or Jeff and Amazon would take the let's say 10 million dollar loss, would likely be suicide inducing and devastating, but it is what it is. 10 million for 100billionaire is a lot or something, 10 million for a trillion dollar company is a ton or sumfin.

@Shyamal I'm with you and can feel your pain. I lost 2 of my only true friends both to suicide. I think for 80% of people they just need more opportunity, something to aim towards, a sense of hope and more social connections, more activity. ** Having said that though, one of the friends had plenty opportunity, I wonder if some people just get depression too bad, genetic susceptibility. I feel that mushrooms might have helped him.

Ive tried so many things this past ten years and nothing works, i am having suicidal thoughts on a regular bases, i think that i wont commit suicide because i want to solve this shit first..

Yea it's silly but it probably comes from the idea that you can't get hurt if you're perfect or something like that. Also comparing your insides (insecurities, feelings, tension etc) to other people outside appearance. But a lot of times people make a great appearance but it's the opposite on the inside as we for example see with suicide in hollywood stars, ceo's etc. Do you have any tips or techniques for embracing every part of your being?

Wed 12/16/2020 22:38 I am deeply, deeply unsatisfied with life. I'm not as neurotic about it, my mind feels relatively stable and calm strangely. But the depth to this sense is all-encompassing and existential. Feel good, feel bad, high, low, what's the point of that? " The meaning is to be happy " ? " I'll exist and then I'll die". The human condition feels shitty. I'll exist and then I'll die. I'll exist and then I'll die. "Who will die?" is the question I suppose -- Screw the people who challenge this nihilism with naivety and denial -- Have I created a circular loop here? I get this sense that perhaps I have, upon trying to investigate. I have to open to the fact I won't get an answer. But I guess I really am trying to look at what triggers it and..... Mind is going blank, just this entanglement of things There's something but it's so slippery ______________________________ Recently I was quite ecstatic and joyous ( not right now though) , I feel the return of myself after stopping SSRI's. A literal 6th or 7th sense to my perception and consciousness has returned more now. 23:00 I feel so incredibly tempted to drown out my awareness. My mind was calm but it's a slow crescendo of chaos. I'll go meditate, even though my mind is quite literally scared that such a thing would be suicide, but that's fear mongering. +1 ,00:32 I feel amazingly manic, overflowing with energy. I meditated, with no method, but with my entire being , all my heart and soul, I was intent on breaking through. Unexpected shifts happened as lots of energy and things just bubbling up, in a good and neutral way. The intense focus and drive to breakthrough, that's probably "masculine". And I feel overflowing with it. But near the end of the session, I noticed that I was tensed too much, and needed to relax this manic alpha-male drive. The image which came to my mind of this over tensing was a meshed grid made out of dirt. All that focusing and intensity, it now feels painful and draining. Yet, "surrendering" it also feels painful. There's this constant back and forth, oscillating, between ('two', as the categories are drawn) different approaches. My intense focus and drive was necessary. But now I have to surrender it, otherwise I shall burn out from all that forcing. But surrendering this, it feels so very difficult, because my energy is so overwhelmingly large. "ego inflation" perhaps. A much needed inflation. -- My underlying questions that I poured my entire being to meditate on, why I suffer, what's the meaning of life, they weren't answered. And I haven't forgot that. Mania and energy is cool but I'm not satisfied by theatrics. I will keep waging war, I will keep pouring my entire being, because there is literally nothing else. This is the one and only thing I care about, all else can burn to the ground. "Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists."

@No Self @kag101 @evgn I am sorry to all of you for ignoring your advice and not being willing and not checking afterward about the rest of the responses that appeared on this thread for life situation advice and answers for me. I am re-visiting this thread because I had a similar mind and emotional hit just now similarly when I wrote this thread when I was reading from and studying from a book for an English exam on 15th of November, this time I attempted to force myself to study and stay focused to read a more demanding and thicker book that I need to read as a part for an obligatory written paper I need to send for a crucial exam on 29th of December, under similarly felt crucial life obligation circumstances and challenges, when I wrote this thread the strong thought identification pattern with my mother and of me reliving a part her state of being right after she committed suicide 15 years ago exactly on 25th of December 2005. as my father told me on Saturday and he felt similarly strong emotional pressure and composure difficulties because of the nearing of that date that he justified as the reason why he mistreated and yelled out of panic and fear at my grandmother, which I now live with, for being suspicious she will leave a larger part of my passed grandfather's apartment to his sister than him and emerged used to justify the strongly felt victim mentality that I can't do this now for my life, challenge and mental growth sake and for the sake of other's, especially financially my father, who's consequences of me not being able to give enough exam's means that I will lose my mother's pension which helps me finance my studies in the first place and which my father relies on to cover the expenses of his apartment and which means I would lose the ability to finance my studies and would have to find and work a job with no qualifications and almost no work experience and skills. Sorry again for not responding to your comments and advice earlier and taking them heart during that time a month ago but I will re-read them and strive to take them to the heart during this very critical and hard time for me in order to achieve some of the necessary tasks I need to accomplish in order to be able to participate in exams that my main motives, thoughts, and feelings during the day now direct me and push me towards achieving them for financial as well as for above-mentioned reasons but also a part of me that I try to re-surface through short meditation routines during the day from time to time for needing to experience this as a challenge that will determine will I be able to do this for the sake of me being fulfilled, relatively secure of remaining a student for the next couple of months and not needing to leave faculty as a result immediately and look for a job and happy and other people that partly rely on me and the outcome of these exams obligations and upcoming exams that I need to register.