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What distinguishes Alien Infinity from “traditional” infinity? Did your awakening specifically include the word “Alien”, or are you pulling that word from Leo’s lexicon?

Oh trust me, I haven't been "following" him for quite some time. I am following my own path and my own heart. On another note, this whole "alien" descriptor is EXACTLY how McGilchrist describes the experience of schizophrenics. That is one of the defining characteristics of it. From the standpoint of nonduality, schizophrenia is actually quite interesting. Much of it actually resembles enlightenment, but at the same time the subjects are terrified and anxious and ungrounded. To me, it seems that the sense of self exists in both halves of the brain, with the left being more gross and conceptual and the right being much more subtle (time, space, context, etc.). Schizophrenics essentially LOSE the subtle sense of self while retaining the gross sense (because it is a disorder of extreme left-brain dominance); this results in a half-enlightened terror state for most. Leo isn't so terrified because of his experience with spirituality, but nonetheless he seems to be going deeper and deeper into this fantasy realm of pure abstract conceptualization, devoid of embodied presence and relationship, devoid of aliveness and inseperable connection to the source experiences which ground and inform abstraction to begin with... Alien. Genuine enlightenment typically involves unraveling the gross sense of self first (via inquiry, vipassana, etc), and THEN as insight clarifies, concentration deepens, and equanimity is attained, gradually unraveling the extremely subtle sense of self (right hemisphere identity, essentially). When both are complete, Reality simply shines as itself. So, healthy progression arrives at Thusness in a way that is "big to small", grounded, and supportive of psychological health.

@Leo Gura please help me understand if the following analogy somehow explain alien consciousness: Let s say we have a vivid dream at night, and in that dream we are living in an imaginary town with people passing by and everything, like non player characters. That dream world is something we created in the astral realm and it s complete by any aspect a world can have, following the basic rules of our world. A character in that dream has his own consciousness and he may expand it with Psychedelics as we do. Is there a way for that dream character to awake so much that not only understands that he is in a dream but to connect to the consciousness of the person having the dream? And if yes, is this what alien consciousness is? Thanx

Maybe, possibly... but I've had similar experiences and they are also recorded in well-known spiritual books if you know where to look. People have channeled this kind of stuff, generally probably much better than Leo can do. The thing with Leo is that he has a malignant arrogance that can't seem to be weeded out, I don't know why... We would have to know what Leo has to say on the matter over a set period of time. "Show your homework" kind of a deal. The thing with these experiences, is that they can be real, they can be delusion or they can be a mixture of the two. A good rule of thumb for doing spiritual work is to go within as much as possible. Literally carve out a path within your own psychology for what is yours to find. There is so much out there, so many ways to wake up, so many other experiences people can have - some that no one has mapped, but most people have some clue into what they're finding. Leo is going to do what Leo is going to do. Rather than people get right on board with him when he is having these manic awakenings, have some common sense, give it a few months to a year to settle and see what he makes of it first. Don't get so into someone else's process that you lose sight of your own. If people knew to simply follow their own journey, and just add and take away what fits and works for them at the time, they would not get so hellbent on following teachers and taking everything they say as gospel. The real teaching here isn't to give people all these unusual experiences, it is to simply redirect them back to looking within. When you do this, your own destiny will unravel. What is for you might very well be completely different than what is for Leo. This is where he gets it wrong, is that Spirit has gifts for each person who makes the journey, you just have to carve them out of yourself. Following what Leo has found doesn't do this. Alien consciousness may not be what another person is supposed to find, or even needs. They might be meant for an entirely different initiation.

If you took any teaching on as a belief you would be falling into an ideology and not Absolute Truth- which is contrary to what we teach. I would expect you to be skeptical and you should be. Just like anything else if it has not been validated in your direct experience then it is not true for you. And thus it is not true. I have validated directly everything up to this point and that is completely without psychedelics. I also have experienced some things as God that no one here has ever talked about nor is talked about on any spiritual forum. One of these is the Wind of God which I will not delve into here. But my point is what is true in your direct experience is true for you. If Leo has become directly conscious that Alien Infinity is the highest Truth then that is what is true - from his POV. And his POV is a mirror - meaning all points of view are held within his. Its gonna get paradoxical here. But in the end you have to discover what is true for you. There is no objective reality - and that is the only thing objective! Open mindedness will allow you to see what was true for you- which is that which was always true but you were blinded by falsehood thus preventing you from seeing it. But it was always there. It didn't exist anywhere but yet it was always there.

Leo mentioned a while back that he was considering (maybe half-jokingly) sprinkling in a bunch of false claims and ideas into his teachings in order to make sure we don't just believe everything he says. I feel like Alien God is one of those - or maybe not.

If I'm honest Leo, this all sounds very crazy and cult like. I'm sorry but it's the truth. I will keep updated with the course on alien intelligence and the videos because those have helped me so much and I have to thank you for that. Maybe the people here in the forum will say I'm just not open minded enough but I want to make sure as I keep going down this rabbit hole I have one foot ready to leave. I hope I'm not the only one who sees the potential danger with what's happening here. I know there's no way you can assure me that what you are saying is true. Maybe at some point I'll just leave this forum for good.

I wanted to learn how to reprogram my mind. Why would I buy some alien-love-consciousness course if I can't even get being human halfway decent? What about my survival, Leo? I am sad.

@Julian gabriel The higher stages in question, past stage turquois, are stage coral and stage teal and the transparent stages. From stage coral to teal and above are considered tier 3 cognition, and it's arguable that hyper, ultra-levels of spirituality that hyper alien intelligences are also at that level. Like in Metroid series, and the Metroid Prime trilogy, and the Chozo of bird like aliens. Yes, example is fictional, but at this point there's very little real-world examples of even stage coral, let alone stage turquoise despite what Leo had to say about stage turquoise in one of his videos, which, BTW, got copyright strike by the founders of Spiral Dynamics for allegedly misrepresenting stage turquoise, so, at stage turquoise is where the ratio of less real-world examples to more fictional examples happens.

Does this mean we get to learn how to get a hot alien girlfriend too? I've kinda' given up on the witch already :'(

who knows maybe alien god can reprogram your mind lol

cant wait to get high on some good old alien hyperbolic geometry lol

Alien Infinity and all other infinite flavors of infinities are a part of Absolute Infinity.

I'm listening to Bashar's teachings, and Bashar supposedly is an alien living in a parallel universe in 2300s, and I take him pretty seriously haha. I think consciousness is frickin crazy and there literally is no limits to its awesomeness, for it is the idea of awesomeness.

Definitions for alien (adjective): Very unfamiliar, strange, or removed. Unfamiliar and disturbing or distasteful. Coming from another world. Differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibility. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature. What the hell does "Alien" God mean. Something is alien only until it isn't, until it becomes familiar. I'd be down to explore super weird states of consciousness but come on, "Alien God"? I hope this is just a matter of labels. I think it's understandable that sanity is a subset of insanity. But God is still God, even if it encompasses infinite weird and alien states. You just increase your understanding of what God actually is. When you think about it, infinity MUST be alien, because you can never know it fully. There is always infinitely more unfamiliarity, weirdness, etc. But why add the adjective then? It only makes it sound New Age. I bet most people will be turned off just by this label.

Alien pickup should be a hoot. Then again we are already doing that. To women, men are aliens ? our thinking is so foreign to them ?

Surviving while being a Alien-God might be a lot of fun. (if it even exists, i'm curious)

@Leo Gura Is this accurate: I am lost in the social matrix of human bullshit The social matrix is a creation of my mind to keep me asleep to my own infinitude When I break out of all mental frames into infinity, I experience God as loving and self-creating This loving quality is a smokescreen to protect me from the scariness of Alien Love, which cares nothing for my comfort or sensemaking ability

I can’t comprehend this. I see no way past infinity. From my current understandings. Alien infinity sounds as though it’s just something within infinity as the infinity I have previously become aware of. I’m not saying this is the case, but it’s just where I’m at, and there’s no other way to be than that of where you are at. I’m open minded to it. But I have no way from my experiences or current state to have any idea what you’re actually on about. It sounds like fantasy land, I’m not saying it is, as I once thought the idea of God was fantasy land yet I proved myself wrong. It’s terribly interesting, but surely we must go through all the other stuff before this can even become a possibility. Could you jump to the alien infinity without first going through the ordinary human awakening states? I need to approach all of this from where I am currently at before thinking about alien hyper things as being even more than what we’ve previously been learning here

@Leo Gura I'm really curious about Alien Consciousness. What About: Alien-Engineering Alien-Programming Alien-Art Alien-Pickup Alien-Thinking Alien-Spirituality Alien-Contemplation/Meditation Alien-Perception Do we really need psychedelics to access Alien Consciousness? Is Alien Consciousness linked to Andrew R Gallimore? Books: Alien Information Theory. Reality Switch Technologies. I'm really curious and open-minded about this new domain of Consciousness.

The problem is it sounds very bizarre and weird to most people. It reads kinda culty even though I don’t think it is. Most people haven’t even had basic no-self experiences, let alone anything to do with alien consciousness. Like even you went through a lot of progression with more traditional forms of spirituality before moving into more advanced concepts like this, perhaps that’s a necessary progression for most people? Once I have sorted out the material parts of my life my plan is to focus on more traditional spirituality like no-self and non-duality because it feels like that’s an important step to pass through before I’d be open minded enough to start thinking about god consciousness or alien consciousness

This might sound alien, but do you consider the possibility that you have become ungrounded? @Leo Gura

@Girzo the Dude did 30 days of 5 meo back to back twice already and you still think he didn't go deep enough initially? I trust Leo's judgment but with a bit of doubt of course. When he says his alien shit blows traditional spirituality out of water, I trust him. I think Leo is a very unique individual. His content is extraordinary, flawless. His spiritual curiosity is like fire. Why wouldn't he be the first to experience such things? He deserves it tbh.

@amanen Very good point, I think Leos alien consciousness experience for example is not visualized yet on youtube.

I think I will stick to Peter Ralston for now. It all sounds like a repack of spirituality with more and more psychedelic flavor. First you have God, because Leo explored 5-MeO-DMT and now we get some alien stuff, because Leo started to dose higher on more visual psychedelics I assume. Not judging only because of years of Leo's great track record of delivering fascinating content. Otherwise I would completly stop listening about this stuff, but now I am waiting for more information before making judgement. I think Leo is a type of guy to trip on low-medium doses and think it is the greatest, then exploring ridiculous doses and thinking he is the first there, while 1/4 of the psychedelic community has already been there. I have always been and still am sceptical of Leo's claims that psychedelics work different for him than most people.