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How do you see other spiritual teachers these days? Like Shinzen Young, Sadhguru, Siddhanath, Dalai Lama... Asleep or highly awakened?

@Dodo Babies are authentic and enlightened just because they exist? Enlightenment does not equal to existence in my dictionary and neither is the general definition. Enlightenment is "knowing thyself" and since babies and rocks have no self-awareness, then they are far from being awakened or enlightened. I don't know what are your sources for such ridiculous beliefs but they are really far away from the Truth.

These are such great points, And the problem is the majority of people don’t realise you can be 100% happy by yourself, and then a partner / relationship is simply an expression of tbis happiness & love. Look up Rupert Spira, he talks about awakened relationships a lot, and how we shouldn’t be using other people to make us happy, but only be with another being when we are happy ourselves. This frees the situation of many of our demands, and gives the relationship more chance to flourish. He talks about telling your partner- “I don’t need you for my happiness, but I want to be with you, out of choice, not because we need to.” I think that is so powerful, as it is the basis of true love, since you aren’t using each other to fill voids.

yeah I mean you can still be normal and date normal people and even unawakened people when you are awakened. Because your awakening and path to awakening is independent of any external circumstances

@Leo Nordin The main weakness of an online forum is we have very little actual information, and we have to go the extra mile to be humble enough to not lash out in projections. Awakening requires unimaginable levels of maturity, and the term is not to be trifled with. If this is your heart's path and you have awakened, I do not see a reason to hold back. If not, you will sink into a self-created hell. But I presume you know this since you are awake and this is just me pointing out the obvious. I'd appreciate if you kept us updated; yours is a journey unique.

@Nahm lol, you need to be perceptive to not be confused. Everyone misses the whole point, this post was not created for people to assume how awoke or not that I am. I meant to give the impression of that I already have awakened. And wanted input based on that. I don't know if any lf you have awakened that's why my wordings was changed to suit whom I was writing to.

@Persipnei No monesteries for me, never. I am not after persuit of spiritual development. More allowing myself enlightenment, that only I will do when survival is taken care of. @Yarco Omg no no no your assumptions about me are wrong. You need to be able to read between the lines. I told you that I have fucking awakened. This is not a small thing. Please at least assume that I might have awakened. Here is how I will have basic needs taken care off: I will live in a van and work very minimal 20-50h/month. That's it, the system will give me free/cheap education or put me in a get work program if I remain homeless and want help. Thats the back up plan, more or less.

I dont mean that love, haha. But yes, persue everything sounds interesting. @Leo Gura I have truly awakened, I mean seriously. Is there anything you want to share with me before I leave?

It's a choice whether it's hard or easy doesn't matter. Of course, I will work minimally for survival 20-50h/month or less! I live in Sweden and we don't have many entrepreneurs, there are many ways to make some money. My can will also be comfy. What is ever realistic if I were to become enlightened? I thought of saving money but that was before awakening. Leo you are knowledgable, if you can share tips/tricks for my journey of survival I would be thankful? It's extreme yes, a summer break won't do. "persuing enlightenment" is widely perceived in different ways. Because I have awakened it's a choice. Will I be enlightened right now or not. Ego is only good for survival. @No Self My van would be insulated and my body also creates heat, people have stayed warm in way colder climates in vans. I have knowledge, you don't need that much heat. Be careful if you're not awakened?

Why don't you try this lifestyle for a shorter period, like do it for the summer break and see how you like it. Dropping everything and going homeless seems pretty extreme and reckless. One thing I don't understand you say you've already awakened but you also say you want to go homeless to pursue enlightenent. So did you awaken or not ?

What I'm referring to as the path of enlightenment is a steadily increasing capacity to be present regardless of our circumstances. Most of us awaken to who we are, and then rather quickly return to unconsciousness for a time until we reawaken. The conditioned mind is relentless in demanding our attention, and even people that have awakened, frequently fall back into identifying with their mind. The practice is to stay conscious more and more, until we are always awake. The fruits of presence are enjoyed along the path. The more steadily awake we are, the less suffering we will experience. Eventually we reach the point where we are always still, and are permanently free of suffering:

@Thestarguitarist14 yes but I have already awakened, if im not fucking myself up with delusion haha. No but really. I am talking about living in a van, showering at gyms and using part time work money/money from my country for food. All my basic needs will be taken care of. Call it homeless, or a nomad or a spiritual retreat. I have 1,5 more years untill last year I can reapply for school for free if homelessness didn't go well. I will last a year with my current savings at most. At the age of 18 I get money from the government. Draw back is that all my savings may be lost and I may have to take a loan before I finish school if I come back and take that rout. Yeah I am going to drop out. Will just secure some kinds of income before hand.

Most homeless haven't awakened...

Not more than anyone else, I've always been a good student and had liked it to some extent more than most. Living half a life is just not worth it, not when you know what a full fledged life looks like, that's why I don't want to limit myself for much longer. I only do what's needed. Yes that's it? out of some reason people always question my texts, even though I wrote I HAVE AWAKENED. Hahaha Then it's obvious that I'm not being delusional?‍♂️ but yeah I'm young you all can question me. I also am using ego now, otherwise I wouldn't be asking for advice about going homeless lol, ego is good for survival, remember that.

It never felt difficult to me... Even in the absolute earliest stages of self improvement. I quess basef on time and all the internal changes to your beliefs about the world changing so much makes it an unbelievably difficult task for most people. They have too much ego and ignorance etc. It is nothing compared to the difficulty of school. Because school is the largest suffering creating machine in the world. School equals = lifetime suffering for the majority of people, because it creates ego constantly and if you unwire the ego they will force you back. For me there is no difficulty because I'm doing it on my own terms. I will probably quit school to become somewhat homeless soon. Keeping up ego abd suffering to stay in the system is somewhat difficult now when I've awakened.

I don't have any special problem with school. It just hinders me from being myself. It's quite sad that I consciously restrain myself from ecstasy all the time in school. One or two hours a day isn't enough. I am probably ready for what you call "hardcore" practice where I live unreasonably joyfull all the time. I awakened not long ago. Please give me perspectives from the awakened mind.

Did anyone else awaken years before finding Leo ? I feel like it would have been a much more doubtful and different path if I had heard of awakening before I had awakened .

I realized there is no I only characters that it’s all just completely imaginary completely intentionally set up because I am god only through being no one can you be everyone , I realized that it’s completely done out of love too . I still haven’t had awakenings into many facets tho I’m not saying I’m awakened fully just that the satoris I’ve had are true and I’ve confirmed it many times so I don’t have any doubts that I’m god

You are "awakened" uhm?

I've just watched Leo guras videos on ego development stages. As of lately I've been spending a considerable amount of time being unitive and I think I awakened some time ago. I have hundreds maybe a thousand of hours into spirituality/phycology/myself so I am pretty grounded. My text is serious and I'm not fearful so don't see this as the avarage student that want to drop out. I go to school and it's very difficult right now. I spent let's say 30 minutes living in non duality and bliss, then I tried to study. I felt so much suffering and it was very difficult. I feel like I have two main options, to let my ego play through these two school years and unfulfilling work thereafter. Or quit school and own nothing but a van to sleep and food to eat, with some part time job caring for peoples animals, children, being a paperboy, get a certain car truck license so that I can work in a facility or something else. Just work that will make me survive. That work would also be pretty satisfying because I could be at a blissful state during manual labor when they can't control my mind. Then I could remain blissful 80% of my days compared to a very low percentage in school. What do you guys think about this? Is it a good idea? Any advice? I know about ego and survival etc and have contemplated this for almost a hundred hours years earlier in my spiritual work so I know of the risks etc. It's only now at the unitive stage that I can consider this option for my life. Get Leo gura to read this if you can help. Thank you sincerely for reading my text? Btw im 17 year old and Swedish. I've not written all peices of the puzzle so try to imagine being me and I only want advice especially from unitive people - that's the whole point with this text because otherwise you can't really grasp what I'm writing about.

Be careful, what you want to do is live blissfully all the time. If you don't have actual experience coaching then it's a fantasy that your mind has created. This you certainly know if you're even close to being unitive. If you are in a ecstatic state while coaching then its good. If you have really awakened then you probably know what your talking about. Still I have 50% of my school in daycare/school and coaching might be difficult intuively. As quick as you start thinking too much you can't be unitive anymore especially if you are doing your work "proffessionaly", then you can't laugh when you shouldn't laugh etc. The burden from that is immense, holding yourself back from laughing and ecstasy/being yourself all the time. Be careful?

Meditation? What are effective techniques for my particular case? @LfcCharlie4 @Nahm So these are my thoughts: *Human beings need purpose and crave creative expression. Being only awakened and/or enlightened won’t solve a lack of satisfaction or fulfilment. Having a Life Purpose can make you achieve Self-Transcendence by moving up the Pyramid to Self-Actualization, then Self-Transcendence. Or move up to Stage Yellow from Orange or Green for example. From where you can have deeper awakening. It makes it easier to be awakened or enlightened as lower level needs have been handled. So it is best to have my Life Purpose handled before shooting for enlightenment as I have a lot of karma to exhaust/onions to peel (e.g. having a career, financial stability, passion for living, etc). Once my desires for those are exhausted, I can then move on to enlightenment.* Would this be accurate? We should be exhausting our desires before shooting for enlightenment as it’s very difficult, right? As if we are peeling onions? On a Spiral Dynamics forum, it mentioned that if you are a teenager, don’t even think about Tier 2 consciousness (Yellow, Turquoise, Coral, etc) as the huge lack of life experience would make it near impossible/very unlikely if you are the average person. Is this true? Would it be a good strategy for me to work on my Life Purpose for the next 10-15 years while still meditating everyday, then when I’m 25-30 I can pursue enlightenment as I’ve exhausted my desire for materialism and success? I know that these things won’t truly make me happy, but my ego still wants materialistic success. Could I just let go of this desire? Or would it be better for me to exhaust this desire, and from direct experience see that “Oh, this doesn’t really make me happy”, and then pursue enlightenment instead of just believing that it won’t make me happy? I want to work out a good strategy so I’m not second guessing myself here, what’s your guy’s suggestion?

Hey Everyone, I couldn't find a better place to put this so I decided to throw this out here. I just wanted to give my honest thoughts and feelings as to my journey of awakening through college, as well as some struggles in the hope of finding some like minds who could possibly help me out and maybe share their stories too. I'm in my second year of college now and I'm getting deep into the awakening process, ever since I got the time to do spirituality (because of you know what) I've really pursued it. The problem is that my transition back into college has been difficult, I'm finding it way harder to make friends and I'm beginning to feel even more isolated than I did when we first went into quarantine. Nonetheless, I kept pursuing spiritual awakening, and I know that Leo says that this is the path of the awakened minds, it is a lonely one, but I also feel like it's important for me to get some feedback on this. So what do you guys think, is it possible for me to find like minds in college? I really do believe that there are other's pursuing a very similar path that I'm on and it would help if I got some guidance from them. I remember I had a mentor early on but he left, so I've been on my own for a while now. Has anyone had a similar experience where they've gone deep down the rabbit hole but you feel like you're missing the world outside? It makes it even more difficult that colleges are purpose built to prepare you for That's just where I'm at, any thoughts would be appreciated!

Hello everyone, I am brand new here. I have no idea if this topic falls under this category or the "Relationships" one. If I posted wrong, I apologize. I'm just going to lay it all out step by step in words to get to the point and hopefully make sense. I'm not looking for "the right answer", I guess I'm just trying to word this out to myself and see if anyone has had any similar experiences and maybe we can discuss this. 2020 has been a weird year for everyone but it's been deep and emotional for me. I won't hide the fact that I am afraid to talk about this. I've read a bunch of Leo's threads and they make sense to me. When you read this you'll probably realize I haven't awakened yet. Growing up I was on my own. Not in a bad, depressing way. I was conscious that I was different from others and was okay with that. My parents raised me Catholic but I ditched the religion at a young age. The teachings of religion made me see various entities of the universe and I believed I felt the flow of energy through meditation. I always felt a strong connexion with nature, we lived in the woods and I would play outside bare feet so I wouldn't miss any sensation. Surprisingly for a kid, every sound, every smell, the tiniest bit of detail of how nature wakes up and falls asleep was important to me. I believed in the concept that my body and soul were aligned. I believed the universe lends us the energy to "exist" only for us to give it back when the time comes. At the age of 14 I severed that connexion. There was no traumatic event, we just moved to another town and I didn't realize what I did. One day I noticed my inner soul was feeling lost and confused but I never addressed it. I've been experiencing blockage in sacral and root chakra. Anyway. My life in solitude gave me a small circle of friends which was enough. To this day it is difficult for me to be intimate and form a connexion with "that" someone special and thus being in a relationship. Long story short, I met this dude last summer. Well "officially" met. We've known each other for 10 years, just never spoken to each other. At some point, we had the same circle of friends, we lived on the same street, he was a regular customer at a video game store, etc. He pursued me, we started dating very briefly. Even after 10 years, our timing was completely off. He wasn't ready. That's not the point. No connexion or spiritual links are the same. No soulmates crap. With him it was very similar connexion. We have so much in common it was scary at the time. I saw quickly that there was no point even though our feelings were there and completely cut ties with him. When I made the decision, something weird happened. I felt a huge "stabbing" sensation on my stomach, under the belly button. The pain spread to my legs. I've had cramps before but nothing like this! The "stab" happened a few times throughout the evening, to the point where I even threw up. A lot of theories: - I ate something bad and it's an odd coincidence - Stress - Allergies (?) - Someone, or something, was trying to communicate - I'm a woman, maybe I was about to hit my period The universe is neutral. It doesn't decide for us. I do believe it can try to communicate. Could this be it? Who knows. Again, not trying to find "the answer", or the obvious thing that happened. Let's talk about similar experiences

Why do you consider only a few people - if any at all - "awakened" and the rest as "not awakened" when awakening is clearly not a binary thing? Why do you keep saying things like "You/they haven't experienced even 1% of (infinite) consciousness" when it is by definition impossible to ever grasp one percent of infinity? What is the point of trying to reach the bottom of something which is infinite and therefore has no bottom?