Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: If you don't understand the difference I don't know how I can help you. Im not asking for your help you IDIOT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lila9 said: If you don't understand the difference I don't know how I can help you. This is like justifying nazi germany. The argument is pointless when someome does that. Just to move on to another topic where in a serious and mature debate is possible. Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🇮🇱💛 Israel finished 5th at Eurovision and 2nd(!) in public vote with 'Hurricane' talks on oct7th. Israel's performance Here 🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: This is like justifying nazi germany. The argument is pointless when someome do that. The Nazis wanted all Jews dead. Hamas only wants all Israelis dead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 43 minutes ago, Lila9 said: If you don't understand the difference I don't know how I can help you. If you are in such danger from Hamas threats then why the fuck are you on this forum arguing long complicated topics? Get the hell out of here and go take care of your family Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 51 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: The Nazis wanted all Jews dead. Hamas only wants all Israelis dead No this is crazy. Think what you want. 🇮🇱💛 Israel finished 5th at Eurovision and 2nd(!) in public vote with 'Hurricane' talks on oct7th. Israel's performance Here 🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: If you are in such danger from Hamas threats then why the fuck are you on this forum arguing long complicated topics? Get the hell out of here and go take care of your family You ask the wrong question dude. Better for you to ask is why the Palestinians in Gaza, which are constantly being bombed by Israel, 24/7, per the mainstream media, have the time (and acting skills?) to act in the growing industry of Pallywood? 💔🇮🇱 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Lila9 said: You ask the wrong question dude. Better for you to ask is why the Palestinians in Gaza, which are constantly being bombed by Israel, 24/7, per the mainstream media, have the time (and acting skills?) to act in the growing industry of Pallywood? That’s a shame. Sad to see them make fools of themselves for personal gain, fame or because the world just doesn’t listen to their cause. Their opportunism doesn’t invalidate the immense amounts of suffering we are seeing however as one can see for themselves in the link below: https://x.com/gozukarafurkan/status/1723798343040614634?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ That can’t all be “Pallywood.” My response to Pallywood wouldn’t be that “most of the suffering is fabricated and denying a humanitarian crises exists that breaks international law” but “why is it they need to stoop so low - because the world doesn’t listen to their cause or because that’s their source of possible income due to Israel blockading and hindering their economic development.” My response to Hamas having significant support in Gaza is not "Oh well exterminate everyone in Gaza then," it's "Wow, how hellish must Israel have made life in Gaza for that to be the case?" Edited November 13, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: There was a scared little girl with a scared little family hiding in an attic when her people were being killed. Palestinians don't hide from even the largest empires the world has ever seen cringe 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: They have proof as seculars that their ancestors lived in Israel (archaeological, historical, DNA) for them it's a good enough reason to return back to it. The notion of Messiah can be arguable, each sector in Judaism believes in a different form of it. People can claim that the Messiah of the secular Zionists was Thodor Herzl sent by God to inspire Jews returning to Israel happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) I’m not bothered by the odd pallywood video, it’s clear as day to see that they are being bombed to hell and that if their electricity hadn’t been cut there would be more actual content. So all the Palestinian deaths and injuries are all made up. Sure.. 😀 Edited November 13, 2023 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: They have proof as seculars that their ancestors lived in Israel (archaeological, historical, DNA) for them it's a good enough reason to return back to it. If Arabs hated Jews then how come they lived peacefully for thousands of years? Ironically it is the Europeans that treated Jews like shit and then just dumped them into Palestine, a country where both lived at peace and nobody was killed or oppressed. Many Arabs were Jewish. Arab is an ethnicity, not religion. You also have Christian Arabs like in Lebanon or Egypt. The bullshit came from the Zionism political movement. Judaism in itself was always accepted in the Middle East. If those Jews went to Palestine as refugees and got integrated into their culture peacefully this bullshit would never have happened. Also dumping all of them in 1 place is bound to disaster when you have people already living there. If you put millions of refugees into a land that has already an identification (Palestine) and then give them a state at the expense of locals you will guarantee to have war. I dont think Palestinians would have much issue with Jews coming there, they lived together for a long time. Many took some in their own homes, only to be kicked out of their homes later. The true issue here is Zionism and the idea of an ethnic Israeli state which is basically racism personified. At least with the other religions you can convert into them but Judaism you cannot, you are born into it. So basically it is a state for people BORN a certain way. Pure discrimination. Edited November 13, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: If Arabs hated Jews then how come they lived peacefully for thousands of years? Ironically it is the Europeans that treated Jews like shit and then just dumped them into Palestine, a country where both lived at peace and nobody was killed or oppressed. Many Arabs were Jewish. Arab is an ethnicity, not religion. You also have Christian Arabs like in Lebanon or Egypt. The bullshit came from the Zionism political movement. Judaism in itself was always accepted in the Middle East. If those Jews went to Palestine as refugees and got integrated into their culture peacefully this bullshit would never have happened. Also dumping all of them in 1 place is bound to disaster when you have people already living there. If you put millions of refugees into a land that has already an identification (Palestine) and then give them a state at the expense of locals you will guarantee to have war. I dont think Palestinians would have much issue with Jews coming there, they lived together for a long time. Many took some in their own homes, only to be kicked out of their homes later. The true issue here is Zionism and the idea of an ethnic Israeli state which is basically racism personified. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 14 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: You still trust definitions? After all the lies you have been fed your entire life. Okay. Why not just look with your eyes and make your own judgments? Huh, sounds familiar. So how many civilians did Hamas unlawfully use violence for political means? And how many did civilians did Netanyahu use since October 7th? Just because you support one group or the other doesn't change the meaning of a word. This is silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) Direct experience is important https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgY0GLtVhV/?igshid=MXhnczJ2NHFla2lkYg== Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🇮🇱💛 Israel finished 5th at Eurovision and 2nd(!) in public vote with 'Hurricane' talks on oct7th. Israel's performance Here 🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: Better for you to ask is why the Palestinians in Gaza, which are constantly being bombed by Israel, 24/7, per the mainstream media, have the time (and acting skills?) to act in the growing industry of Pallywood? If everything is fine in Gaza, why won't Israel let in real journalists? My stats: https://wiseoldman.net/players/equan1mity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Direct experience is important https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgY0GLtVhV/?igshid=MXhnczJ2NHFla2lkYg== I think i have seen protests and riots by them though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 https://x.com/AbbyMartin/status/1723871914697838751?s=20 ''37 prematurely born babies detached from their incubators at Al Shifa Gaza hospital under attack and siege due to lack of electricity and oxygen and now wrapped in blankets to avoid hypothermia. Kept alive with basic medical methods and at risk of death (2 died earlier today)'' https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/israeli-security-cabinet-member-calls-north-gaza-evacuation-nakba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000 https://x.com/hahauenstein/status/1723441134221869453?s=20 - video of Avi Dichter mentioning this to be a Gaza Nakba. No translation offered so if someone who speaks hebrew can confirm that would be great - although Hareetz already has which is reputable enough? "We are now actually rolling out the Gaza Nakba," says Avi Dichter, Israel's Minister for Agriculture and former head of Shin Bet. Palestinians will get no right to return to the newly conquered land of northern Gaza. Encroachment and settlements just like in West bank except on a mass scale. They will frame helping Gazans to move South to 'safety' as heroic, moral and noble all the whilst the true intention is that of a land grab. Propaganda uses decent human emotion to support indecent inhumane actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) @Buck Edwards She said something like islamophobia is rational (relative to antisemitism) because of Muslim terrorists in a diff thread Edited November 13, 2023 by Jacob Morres Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 59 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said: @Buck Edwards She said something like islamophobia is rational (relative to antisemitism) because of Muslim terrorists in a diff thread Pathetic given what's happening in Gaza. You should seek to transcend the limitations of the ego and the mind in order to experience a sense of unity with the universe or ultimate reality. You can do meditation,sef inquiry and contemplating for that. To recognize the underlying oneness that is believed to exist beyond the realm of dualistic perception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) I find the human mind ability to rationalize how a 40% child death rate can be acceptable truly fascinating. Almost half of people dying totally innocent. Let that sink in... Edited November 13, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
