Posted November 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: Can you tell me why there's an Israeli general's son in this podcast/interview? What's his agenda to be anti-israel? I don't know why, he might have his own reasons. Is that mean that he is correct? Not necessarily. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: You better thank to God that you are not the one to deal with Hamas but someone else, somewhere in the world. Suprise, suprise.... For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. My paintings: Instagram.com/meontrema Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: That's a selfish uncompassionate comment to make. Should I be thankful that someone else is suffering? Any spiritual learning you'll ever have in life will be null and avoid with that attitude!!!! Love thy neighbor as thyself. When someone suffers, you ought to feel that suffering, it's called humanity. Maybe someone didn't teach you that. Everyone is so smart when taking about how Israel should deal with Hamas. It's so comfortable to you because you are so far, because your family wasn't influenced by that. It's easy to be judgmental of Israel when you have never experienced 1% from the constant abuse Israeli people get from Hamas, all the death threats and random terror attacks. You don't know what it's like living in this fear. Yet, you feel entitled to judge and condom Israel for trying to exist while deliberately ignoring Hamas crimes. And yes, be grateful that you are not the one who's dealing with that. Be grateful that your safety and security are garanteed. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Everyone is so smart when taking about how Israel should deal with Hamas. It's so comfortable to you because you are so far, because your family wasn't influenced by that. It's easy to be judgmental of Israel when you have never experienced 1% from the constant abuse Israeli people get from Hamas, all the death threats and random terror attacks. You don't know what it's like living in this fear. Yet, you feel entitled to judge and condom Israel for trying to exist while deliberately ignoring Hamas crimes. And yes, be grateful that you are not the one who's dealing with that. Be grateful that your safety and security are garanteed. I shouldn't be grateful when millions are suffering. Be grateful that humanity on social media is still alive to condemn Israel's actions or more children and innocent people would have died. God forbid, if it weren't for the thousands and thousands of protestors across the globe, what that bloodlust of Netanyahu would have led to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) @Lila9 The more people resist, the better. This is the system pushed to a corner trying its best to go back to its familiar unhealthy homeostasis as it feels its foundations being shaken. The enormous resistance we see these days is the best indication to a good change just behind the corner. Growing up HURTS but this is how things work. Israel just have to keep going with a deep self trust. This is Israel's real test. Edited November 12, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 The greatness of this man is visible in this moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: Be grateful that humanity on social media is still alive to condemn Israel's actions or more children and innocent people would have died. God forbid, if it weren't for the thousands and thousands of protestors across the globe, what that bloodlust of Netanyahu would have led to. Why should I be grateful for naive people lack in understanding of the conflict who blindly support terrorists and see them as heros because they killed Jews? Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Why should I be grateful for naive people lack in understanding of the conflict who blindly support terrorists and see them as heros because they killed Jews? This is comical. They aren't supporting terrorists. They simply don't want unjustified bombings. They are right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 @Buck Edwards I love Bernie, it’s about time he said this! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Why should I be grateful for naive people lack in understanding of the conflict who blindly support terrorists and see them as heros because they killed Jews? Most people don’t support terrorists but a just cause to resist oppression and a modern day apartheid state which needs be dismantled in a post apartheid world. Modernity has no appetite for apartheid. Yes, the cause which at its core is a resistance movement was used by terrorist factions or more extreme people who use terrorist tactics - but that doesn’t invalidate the cause or excuse Israel’s actions. If someone thinks a solution to the Palestinian issue is that they should remain under the rule or control of Israel because they are undeveloped or may cause terror you are calling for an apartheid state. Apartheid as a system, is inherently discriminatory and involves institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination. That makes them a racist at worst and a racist sympathiser at best. Edited November 12, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said: This is comical. They aren't supporting terrorists. They simply don't want unjustified bombings. They are right. No, there are actually people who see Hamas as freedom fighters and actually justify and understand the terror against Israel. They are also deliberately ignore Hamas crimes against Israel and Palestinians and are sure that the Israeli-Arab conflict is exactly like the situation between black and white people in US which is ridiculous. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 Just now, Lila9 said: No, there are actually people who see Hamas as freedom fighters and actually justify and understand the terror against Israel. They are also deliberately ignore Hamas crimes against Israel and Palestinians and are sure that the Israeli-Arab conflict is exactly like the situation between black and white people in US which is ridiculous. You aren't talking about the majority. And irrespective of what they think, nobody deserves to die. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) The reason why ONLY now the world is so noisy but not in other wars is precisly because Israel's relatively high values and consciousness. The real issue here is the great system resisting a growing up process trying to happen. All the rest - backward rationalizations. Edited November 12, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 Lol, "Free Palestine from the river to the sea" is a call for ethnical cleansing of the Israeli people. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 39 minutes ago, Sucuk Ekmek said: Suprise, suprise.... For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. Then what did the palestinians saw to deserve the whirlwind? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: You aren't talking about the majority. And irrespective of what they think, nobody deserves to die. Except Jews and everyone who is a non Palestinian refugee in the west bank and Gaza. Where all the protesters for the crimes against humanity happen in North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria? Edited November 12, 2023 by Lila9 Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Expect Jews and everyone who is a non Palestinian refugee in the west bank and Gaza. Where all the protesters for the crimes against humanity happen in North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria? There were protestors for those as well. The difference with this is that its been going on for decades without end, building and brewing. And now with more right wing nationalist governments coming to power all over the world Israel is ahead and gone too far right with its policies and encroaching of the West Bank for example. That mixed with social media today where all is visible is what’s made the world awake to this cause. People have been condemning Hamas but also are for the Palestinians to be made free. Can you see that Israel is an apartheid state? Babies dying in hospitals due to lack of electricity and resources that Israel has cut off. Is every Hospital or the whole of Northern Gaza a Hamas camp site or base? This is just unjustifiable - even Israel’s own allies such as Belgium and Macron from France are saying this. Even when Elon Musl says that Israel’s strategy will only create more Hamas fighters pro Israelis just say he’s unwise and doesn’t know any better. The arrogance and narcissism is palpable - and in the end parasitic to the host that harbours it. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna124786 Edited November 12, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nivsch said: The reason why ONLY now the world is so noisy but not in other wars is precisly because Israel's relatively high values and consciousness. The real issue here is the great system resisting a growing up process trying to happen. All the rest - backward rationalizations. That's interesting. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, zazen said: There were protestors for those as well. The difference with this is that it’s been going on for decades without end, building and brewing. And now with more right wing nationalist governments coming to power all over the world Israel is ahead and gone too far right with its policies and encroaching of the West Bank for example. That mixed with social media today where all is visible is what’s made the world awake to this cause. What happens in North Korea goes decades without end. Syria? Decades without end. China? Decades without end. Iran? Same. 5 minutes ago, zazen said: Can you see that Israel is a apartheid state? No, it's not an apartheid. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
