New War In Israel / Gaza

[Lila9]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Karmadhi How can you think about fairness to the other side when you have to save your life from him?

Only if you are not a human.

Jews in Israel should have been committed collective suicide or let Hitler or other Nazis to finish the work, ignore the Jewish ancient connection to Israel and allow Arabs to have Israel as the 22th Muslim state in the world.

Only that would be considered fair to these people.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Lila9

[Lila9]

"What is striking to me is that even as, again, we hear many countries urging the end to this conflict, which we would all like to see, I hear virtually no one saying – demanding of Hamas that it stop hiding behind civilians, that it lay down its arms, that it surrender. This is over tomorrow if Hamas does that. This would have been over a month ago, six weeks ago, if Hamas had done that,” Blinken said during a press briefing at the State Department Wednesday.

“How can it be that there are no demands made of the aggressor and only demands made of the victim,” Blinken went on to say.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/20/politics/blinken-israel-hamas-surrender/index.html

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Jews in Israel should have been committed collective suicide or let Hitler or other Nazis to finish the work, ignore the Jewish ancient connection to Israel and allow Arabs to have Israel as the 22th Muslim state in the world.

Only that would be considered fair to these people.

Haha maybe 🤔

Edited December 21, 2023 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

On 2023-12-18 at 8:44 AM, Merkabah Star said:

It’s a heated topic for everyone. Just have a break. 

they live there so it’s really personal for them. 
 

 

   No excuse to act petty as hell. I'm done here, gl to you, @StarStruck and @zazen.

[lina]

 

 

The most 'moral' army for sure, up there competing with ISIS-level barbarism. 

 

@Danioover9000 Your opinions and insights have always been worthy of reading so will be waiting for them  

Edited December 21, 2023 by lina

[Nivsch]

@lina Even much less severe (but officialy confirmed) cases like the soldier who shot an already neutralized terrorist head in March 2016 has caused a tremendous public uproar in Israel which can show us how sensitive a big part of the Israeli public is.

There is always a danger with taking isolated cases and project them on "Israel" as a whole when in fact they don't really represent Israel. 

Lets not forget there are thousands of soldiers operating in Gaza in every moment, and one such (and yes, outrageous, if indeed happened) case is a quite few statistically to conclude far reaching stances on Israel.

Nevertheless, if this is true, those soldiers must be punished severily and the whole system have to learn from it and draw the lessons. But I want to see this comes from another source which is not UN that I would not be surprised if bases its assessments on UNRWA.

After far reaching hypoctire moves the UN does against Israel every monday and thursday, it is clear this is quite naive to rely on UN statements alone about Israel without double checking them.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Nivsch

[Merkabah Star]

@lina the most moral army in the world.

It’s almost like a brainwashing comment to keep making. 

[Merkabah Star]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Merkabah Star

   No excuse to act petty as hell. I'm done here, gl to you, @StarStruck and @zazen.

I think it’s pretty even on this thread. I have breaks from it too, just unfollow the thread so you don’t get alerts. 😀

it’s hard to not get emotionally involved in this conflict. 

[Merkabah Star]

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

demanding of Hamas that it stop hiding behind civilians

That’s another comment that’s flat now. 
 

most moral army in the word.

the world is no longer believing these lies. 

[zazen]

@Danioover9000 

As Lina said - look forward to your comments after a needed break - this thread isn’t going anywhere haha

Interesting read on the body language.  Elite level diplomats are definitely trained - Rishi Sunak masterfully dodges and evades questions for example.

I heard a professor say that as with 9/11 it’s expected for people to be outraged speaking emotionally but that died down within a month - with this the dehumanising language has persisted till today and it’s not random members of society but prominent members of Israeli society ie Politicans or leadership roles. 
 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by zazen

[Vrubel]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

I heard a professor say that as with 9/11 it’s expected for people to be outraged speaking emotionally but that died down within a month

Such things don't die down within a month, get real. Israelis are nowhere near closure. The whole thing is still ongoing with the hostages and young soldiers fighting. 

[Vrubel]

Watch if you're interested in the perspective of an Israeli soldier in Gaza and the reality she faces as much of the youth in Israel. What responsibility and challenges did you heave when you were 20?

Really heavy topic is discussed at 5:25

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Watch if you're interested in the perspective of an Israeli soldier in Gaza and the reality she faces as much of the youth in Israel. What responsibility and challenges did you heave when you were 20?

Really heavy topic is discussed at 5:25

Great video!

Israeli soldier are normal human beings apparently! 👩🧑 It will be difficult for people here to see that. Need to add a viewing warning before.

IDF take a break.

Edited December 22, 2023 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

10 hours ago, zazen said:

@Danioover9000 

As Lina said - look forward to your comments after a needed break - this thread isn’t going anywhere haha

Interesting read on the body language. 

Of course its interesting to read. As long as some far right wing or a rabbi says something juicy against palestinians it is interesting to flood the thread with, and demonize Israel and demonize the incredibly brave half kids risking their life, barely sleeping risking their health too, to promote the release of the hostages that their suffering is 100 times more than any other citizen from any side of this war. But cherry picking is more important.

Edited December 22, 2023 by Nivsch

[Jodistrict]

 

[Merkabah Star]

8 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Watch if you're interested in the perspective of an Israeli soldier in Gaza and the reality she faces as much of the youth in Israel. What responsibility and challenges did you heave when you were 20?

Really heavy topic is discussed at 5:25

Sweet girl. 
 

that was major propaganda that video tho. This is the sort of thing on repeat on Israeli tv no doubt. 
 

 

[YeahIam]

@Nivsch 

8 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Of course its interesting to read. As long as some far right wing or a rabbi says something juicy against palestinians it is interesting to flood the thread with, and demonize Israel and demonize the incredibly brave half kids risking their life, barely sleeping risking their health too, to promote the release of the hostages that their suffering is 100 times more than any other citizen from any side of this war. But cherry picking is more important

[Merkabah Star]

8 hours ago, Nivsch said:

and demonize Israel and demonize the incredibly brave half kids risking their life, barely sleeping risking their health too, to promote the release of the hostages that their suffering is 100 times more than any other citizen from any side of this war. But cherry picking is more important.

I think everyone feels for the hostages and what they are going through. If your country allows a proper ceasefire they will release them all. Simple. 
 

it is a pretty horrific experience the civilians of Gaza are living through too. It is hard for foreigners to feel sorry for Israel with so much killing and destruction going on. It is terrorism. 

[Merkabah Star]

 

[Nivsch]

@Merkabah Star The children of Gaza are brainwashed and posioned into jihad, shuada and killing by the cult of hamas and don't have a life or a chance of an healthy independent thinking anyway. Blame hamas on that. This war is their only chance to be free and to heal. No ceasefire until Gaza is clean from the virus.

Edited December 22, 2023 by Nivsch