Posted December 22, 2023 52 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: The mindset there is so brainwashed, it’s like mind control. This thread exposes it all, no one gives a shit about the Gazans. Everything is justified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 22, 2023 Quote The International Rescue Committee has released the following statement on the passage of the UN security council resolution regarding aid delivery into Gaza: The International Rescue Committee (IRC) welcomes the demands for immediate, safe and unhindered humanitarian access through all available routes to Palestinians throughout Gaza, for international humanitarian law to be upheld and for the unconditional release of hostages contained in UNSC Resolution 2720. These are prerequisites for relief of the humanitarian suffering. However, with more than 20,000 Palestinians killed and latest food insecurity numbers showing unprecedented threat of starvation in Gaza, much more is clearly needed… We reiterate that the only way fully to protect Palestinian lives, enable a sufficient humanitarian response, and offer the best chance of hostage release, is to stop to the fighting. From a humanitarian point of view, the failure of the UNSC to demand an immediate and sustained ceasefire is unjustifiable. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/22/israel-gaza-war-live-updates-un-security-council-resolution-us-backing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2023 15 hours ago, Danioover9000 said: @Raze and @zazen, another interesting video I came across: Very interesting documentary. All organisations will try to influence but this is very sophisticated and goes deep behind the scenes. Makes you wonder the motives and dirtiness of politics/politicians. A relevant clip showing the puppet masters blatantly in action from yesterdays UN resolution: Freudian slip through a gesture? Her good conscience wasn’t good for vested interests. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2023 Finkelstein rebutting Bill Maher's position on Israel Defense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Danioover9000 said: @Raze and @zazen, "Appartheid state"? How? Why can't 20 seconds of a single Al Jazeera's video pass without be sound like a kindergarden? Come on 🎢🎡 Edited December 23, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Raze said: 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: "Appartheid state" 😂 Why can't barely 20 seconds of a single Al Jazeera's video pass without be sound like a kindergarden? Come on 🎢🎡 Israel’s situation is almost like its own thing. People automatically jump to the most obvious definition of the word and where it originated in South Africa. But if the situation is close enough to fit the definition for many organisations and prominent people to use it then surely it must have some truth. Here’s a amnesty article / report on it which can be downloaded in any language: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israel-palestinians-are-living-under-system-apartheid-major-new-report Former Israeli peace negotiator and advisor to former PM Daniel Levy even uses the word in the video above that Raze shared. Edited December 23, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) @zazen Palestinians in the west bank are under the responsibility of the PLO as their official civil authority, while in Gaza strip they are under hamas. IDF is found in wide forces within the west bank for security purposes since 2002, what proved to be the only way to stop the suicide bombing happened in busses and restaurants from ones to twice a week. I'm in the middle of the video of Daniel Levy but it sounds he suggests a return to 48' lines? Later he uses definitions and creates some sort of scheme or n not so clear equation from it, to moralize against the Jews moves in 1947-8 but he overlook the fact that they stemmed from a survival challenge they have faced after almost lost in a civil-like war between them and the Arabs reinforced by 6 Arabs countries. By the way the land occupied in 1967 was under Jordan. About Gaza he doesn't suggest any pratical alternative way to eliminate hamas besides moralizing. Edited December 23, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Nivsch said: "Appartheid state"? How? Why can't 20 seconds of a single Al Jazeera's video pass without be sound like a kindergarden? Come on 🎢🎡 This is also the opinion of the former head of mossad… https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115#:~:text=Tamir Pardo becomes the latest,Africa that ended in 1994. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Raze said: This is also the opinion of the former head of mossad… https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115#:~:text=Tamir Pardo becomes the latest,Africa that ended in 1994. "Palestinians need permission from Israel to enter the country" So to just let them in without security checks? "and often must pass through military checkpoints to move within the West Bank." Ok I understand but thats probably necessary because of the settlements. He could just say the settlements are problematic and must be stopped or something like this and this is a fair claim, but "appartheid state" is an hypocrite statement because it is too loose, generalized and open to interpretations in many directions. Edited December 23, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) On 22.12.2023 at 3:11 PM, Vrubel said: the way Hamas unleashed itself on civilians is beyond anything. Most countries would react the same and worse. The bottom line is that Israel has to take away the threat now, which can only be done by a full-scale war and the overpowering of Hamas. +1🧡 Absolutely agree. Edited December 23, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 24, 2023 @Lila9 What heartwarming news 😃 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: @Lila9 What heartwarming news 😃 What's heartwarming about censorship, discrimination, cancel culture and anti-Palestinianism? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: @Lila9 What heartwarming news 😃 It is heartwarming 🥰 This phrase calling for the genocide of Jews and ethnic cleansing from Israel is highly cringe worthy, violent, and antisemitic. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 24, 2023 Quote US President Joe Biden says he held a long and private conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday, a day after the Biden administration again shielded Israel in the diplomatic arena by helping water down a United Nations resolution. "I did not ask for a ceasefire," Mr Biden said of the call, while Mr Netanyahu's office said the prime minister had "made clear that Israel would continue the war until achieving all its goals". https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-24/iran-threatens-mediterranean-closure-over-gaza-without-saying-us/103262558 How shameful of Biden. If he loses to Trump in the election I will be clapping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: It is heartwarming 🥰 This phrase calling for the genocide of Jews and ethnic cleansing from Israel is highly cringe worthy, violent, and antisemitic. What about the similar phrase used in the likud party charter? Same way people thought the Black Lives Matter slogan was a call for genociding white people - though some extremists were amongst that movement / organisation for sure. What could be heartwarming is that Christians and functioning churches exist in Gaza - something the Mayor of Jerusalem (not a random person) denied because it goes against the narrative that Hamas / Gazans are anti-semite savages. For the mayor of such a holy city to lie and deny facts that lead to dehumanisation that causes such unholy crimes upon the holy land isn’t heartwarming however - especially during Christmas - yet the evangelical Zionists will still cheer on ironically. Maybe also this: Could be that hostages were taken mostly as a bargaining chip in exchange for their women and children detained without due course for rock throwing. And as a leverage as any other form of protest or leverage are shut down by Israel including the BDS movement which South Africans used to successfully free themselves. As the saying goes when all means of peaceful protest are shut down the violent means become the last - though Israel could say that when peaceful means of self defence don’t work they must resort to violent means of defence. Edited December 24, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 24, 2023 Heartwarming, a meme from Germany, the country that exterminated the Jews. Ok, desperate for things to post if that’s all you’ve got. im not a fan of the saying, 3 years in prison is a bit extreme tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 24, 2023 3 hours ago, zazen said: Maybe also this: Just because a few terrorists acted humanely toward a few individuals doesn't negate the fact that they are savages. It doesn't erase what they have done, and, more horrifyingly, the way in which it was done. Most of them committed cruel and inhumane acts against most of the Israelis they encountered. I'm not here to convince you who they are and what values they have vs Israel. Come and see yourself, come visit Israel and Palestine. See who has more freedom of religion and human rights, if you dare. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
