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@Nivsch https://www.euronews.com/2026/08/17/ben-gvir-calls-for-killing-of-30-to-40-palestinians-in-gaza-nightly-in-taped-interview-wit Why is he like this? At this point I cannot even take him seriously or be angry at him He is such a cartoonish bad guy it is almost like an online troll The one and only thing I appreciate about people like him or Daniella Weiss is that they are very honest about what they are and have no shame in saying it out loud. They do not pretend to be someone else (like Bibi) I find it insane he is in such an important position or that his party is projected 20% in the next elections (or is that not true?) How do your friends, relatives and ordinary Israelis feel about him?

I got no love for MAGA but putting them into the same category as the Israeli settlers or Nazis is a bit exaggerated imo You basically have a MAGA government in USA via Trump and it is no near as bad as the Nazis or the Ben Gvir movement is What is ironic is that most of the hate towards USA from the world comes because of their endless bombings of other countries especially in Middle East and before South East Asia Meanwhile MAGAs are for no involvment in wars Techanically USA would be less hated globally if MAGA had it its way And internally except some quesitonable actions by ICE I have not seen anything insanely bad You cannot compare ICE to the Settlers or IDF in terms of brutality So although all are stage blue, MAGA is the least violent stage blue It is just ignorant and dumb and racist but not violent in the same way Unless we are talking about KKK type MAGA

Yet common citizens (not corrupt governments) are becoming more and more critical of Israel's devilry Its reputation, especially among younger people is reaching new lows Even in USA! https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/06/04/most-people-across-36-countries-have-negative-views-of-israel-and-little-confidence-in-netanyahu/ Their propaganda does not work that well anymore Especially with non boomers that use the internet and social media

Finally USA is moving from Orange with some Green to solid Green when it comes to demoratic party candidates!

I remind you that the ones that are wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity are not those religious people Likud is also horrible

Thank you very much @Nivsch It helps deepining our understanding Personally, I cannot talk much about Israel itself because I do not live there My concern is mostly about the whole Palestine topic and how Israel conducts itself when it comes to Israeli politics On that topic, only Yair seems to be reasonable and actually care about international law The rest seem from bad to horrible Note: I am talking in terms of Jewish parties, not the Arab one you sent which obviously will be more sympathetic to Palestinians

Trump for sure has a role to play in this Probably Israel too USA has huge influence in Morocco and Spain went against USA and Israel It makes logical sense for them to punish Spain through this What is so weird about it? Both Trump and Bibi are as shameless as it gets

I saw it To be fair I was referring to something else You see when some people including you talk about a civilized society, you mean things like LGBTQ, women in work spaces etc At least the video was about that in a way that you sent I am referring to something else I am referring to the methods that they deal with who they perceive to be an enemy A civilized society would not snipe kids nor use starvation as a method of warfare A civilized society would not terrorize people to kick them out of their homes (West Bank) A civilized society would worry when all human rights group say they are causing grave crimes against humanity A civilized society does not use disproportionate force to deal with threats A civilized society does not torture nor rape and debate this in parliament, whether rape is ok or not A civilized society views the enemy as human just like them but with a different set of believes and views, it does not dehumanize them This is what I am referring to

@Nivsch https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.premium/a-grim-poll-shows-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-true/00000197-3640-d9f1-abb7-7e742b300000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-05/ty-article/.premium/large-majority-of-israeli-jews-untroubled-by-reports-of-famine-in-gaza-poll-finds/00000198-7ab3-d0ce-a5de-fbb374f30000 I try to use Israelis sources as much as possible

To be fair I have seen many polls in Israel where 80% or more support ethcnic cleansing or genocide It is not "some people" it is the majority

Do those outweight desire for genocide and ethnic cleansing? To me a genocidal society becomes null regardless of how great other things may be like gdp or technology. Nazis were also pretty techonology advanced and organized. Yet they are seen as bad because they were genocidal. I feel you are too harsh on them. I have seen tons of interviews with them and many are reasonable. Especially in West Bank. Hartd to be chill when you lost half ur family in strikes like Gazans have. Given how much Palestinians have suffered they could have been a lot worse . Their issue is how stubborn they are more than anything. The religious part is mostly some Hamas nutcases, the majority are nationalists not religious zealots. If you see interviews about regular palestinians their motivation is about getting the land they lost back and justice, not global jihad. Neither was Hitler of Stalin. Does not mean they were nice guys or guys you should befriend Putin is also not a religious fanatic yet I see way more demonization of Putin then Bibi When Trump tried to treat Putin with some resemblance of how he treats Bibi, everyone in USA lost their shit I personally find Bibi's war crimes much worse than Putins

Is this based on who you would like or who realistically will become? Also unrelated question, is there any typical Stage Green party in Israel? All ones I saw seemed either Blue or Orange to me Something like "peace, love, equality" blla blla party I would give you European examples if you know about European politics

A true Atheist would be against all religious extremism A lot of Israeli devilry comes from Judaism extremism Also you have Christian nutcases in the American government doing damage to USA and also some perform war crimes in African countries Yet they are not called out by these people Not to mention Budhist extremism in Myanmar or Hindu extremism in India Calling out only 1 religion extremism shows to me a huge anti Islam bias more than an Atheist bias Which is why I called the guy Islamophobic I am personally not religious at all but I do not only call out 1 religion extremism, but extremisim in itself How come they do not call out the Israeli religious extremism (Judaism extremism) in the Israeli-Palestine conflict as much as they call out the Islamic extremism of Palestinians in groups like Hamas?

Bill Maher is a mega islamophobe to be honest and blames everything wrong in Middle East to Islam and passionately shits on Muslims He is way more bigoted than Destiny is It is hilarious to me that people like Bill call Palestinians anti Western because the whole reason they do not like the West and USA is because of unfair things that happened to them It is West fault they are anti Western it is like saying Ukranians are anti Russians It is crazy to me that someone would believe this given so much hate towards USA comes because they support Israel unconditionally I fully understand the logic although it triggers me a lot personally (green bias hehe) I understand Thanks for the analysis Leo To be fair I have seen so much hate and genocidal remarks from Israelis including random citizens that I can no longer hold them in the same development category as western countries They are not a civilized society I feel but typical Middle Eastern brutes

I know you did not ask me but I can answer on my side -He ignores the insane power balance between Israel and Palestine -He ignores that Israel has killed like 30x more Palestinians and has caused way way more suffering to Palestinians than the other way around -He ignores Palestinian historical grievences including ethnic cleansing and tons of atrocities they have endured for decades -He believes Palestinians should just give up and submit, which in itself is not unreasonable but does not hold the same view for Ukraine. When it comes to Ukraine it is fine for them to fight a much stronger foe for their land but Palestinians should just submit -He says Israel is hated because it is a Jewish state -He always holds the side of Israel and believes Palestinians are the cause of the conflict