I asked Rupert Spira directly about solipsism - here is what he said

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura Can you have a conversation with Rubert Spira, this would be total epic.

No, I can't.

I am speaking of a level of awakening that cannot be validated by anyone.

Rupert Spira is a fiction you invented to keep yourself asleep

Stop fucking around and wake up.

[vizual]

Who are you guys talking to?

[UnbornTao]

@Meta-Man you’re alive! 

Long time no see.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura Then just speak about 5 meo Malt with him, he needs to see at least how deep you can go with psychedelics

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

He isn't conscious enough to be aware of how he constructed other minds.

You don't need to know how..your consciousness can expand to show you that other minds are inside your Mind.   That everything is your dream.

He has not had this awakening.

You do not need 5 meo for this if you are genetically gifted meditation/self inquiry or just doing nothing you can have this awakening.

[Nadosa]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You don't need to know how..your consciousness can expand to show you that other minds are inside your Mind.   That everything is your dream.

He has not had this awakening.

You do not need 5 meo for this if you are genetically gifted meditation/self inquiry or just doing nothing you can have this awakening.

Consciousness and mind is also just imagination. "This awakening" too. "Whose dream"? 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Nadosa said:

Consciousness and mind is also just imagination. "This awakening" too. "Whose dream"? 

Stop being silly.  

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Meta-Man said:

More than ever!

Where the hell have you been? Living in a cave ?

 

[Insane butterfly]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He isn't conscious enough to be aware of how he constructed other minds.

Do you mean Intuition by this? 

To be so conscious to intuit other minds? 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Insane butterfly said:

Do you mean Intuition by this? 

To be so conscious to intuit other minds? 

No. It's way beyond intuition.

[Danioover9000]

@Shambhu

2 hours ago, Shambhu said:

@Bufo Alvarius In Vedanta, there is a clear distinction between minds and Consciousness.  There is only one Consciousness (not many bubbles), but there are many minds.  It would be more fitting to say the bubbles are minds within the one Consciousness, but only as an analogy.  Now, the question you raised about how to know that other bubbles exist, when all you have access to is your bubble, is a very challenging question.  I will say that there are answers to that question, but I don't know how satisfying they would be.  Seeing that it is logically possible that other minds could exist might be sufficient, but if you want certainty, then the journey to get there cannot be stated simply within a few sentences.  

   A slightly better analogy, would be to say that Consciousness is a balloon that holds soap water and foams inside of it, of various sizes of minds ranging between an ants, to reptiles, birds, humans, to as far as a hyper alien intelligence mind.

[Insane butterfly]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. It's way beyond intuition.

Dangerous territories isn't?

So it's way beyond finite or infinite intelligence, or is the infinite intelligence? Construction needs a hell of engineering 

[Shambhu]

@Danioover9000 Reminded me of the first chapter of Sri Atmananda's book, Atma Darshan.

1. Advaita

Jivas, like waves in the sea, come into being, rise and fall, fight each other and die.

Striking against the seashore, waves recede, tired and worn out, seeking rest and peace. Likewise, Jivas seek the Supreme in various ways.

Waves have their birth, life and death in the sea itself, Jivas in the Lord.

Waves are nothing but water. So is the sea. Likewise, the Jiva and the Lord are nothing other than Sat, Chit, and Ananda.

When waves realize that the sea is their common support, all fight ceases.

Much is not gained thereby. This is not the final word. Work lies ahead to remove all sense of separateness.

When water is realised, wave and sea vanish. What appeared as two is thus realised as one.

Water can be reached straightaway from wave by following the direct path. If the way through the sea is taken, much more time is needed.

[mandyjw]

There isn't really an inner or an outer. Do you hear "outside" sounds inside your ear? Inside your mind? Do you hear in the past or the future?

Do you hear? 

So if you're asking about a you, or a hearer or a bubble, there just aren't any borders to ever, ever form that bubble as separate. 

Repeat for all other senses.

Now.

Do you ever see, touch, hear, smell, fell outside of now? 

Outside of now, are seeing, touching, hearing, smelling, feeling separate from each other, as if they were separate senses? 

Look at your hand.

Is it felt?

Is it seen?

Close your eyes.

Does your hand exist outside of the NOW sensation of it?

What is it that can assert that it exists outside of the direct sensation? 

What is it that can say "my"? 

Edited February 24, 2022 by mandyjw

[mandyjw]

Common sense is so fucking radical. No one can say they attained the brilliance of it, without cutting themselves off from the constant beaming flow of the Light.

Love Rupert. 

Common. For all. "God" would settle for no less. And no more, because all "more" would all be included in itSelf. 

Sense. Felt, perceived, intelligence. 

Same as love. 

Love is so perfectly brilliant, it knows no thing. In its brilliant light there are no borders. 

[Evoke]

2 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Common sense is so fucking radical. No one can say they attained the brilliance of it, without cutting themselves off from the constant beaming flow of the Light.

Love Rupert. 

Common. For all. "God" would settle for no less. And no more, because all "more" would all be included in itSelf. 

Sense. Felt, perceived, intelligence. 

Same as love. 

Love is so perfectly brilliant, it knows no thing. In its brilliant light there are no borders. 

So do you agree with Rupert or Leos take on solipsism? 

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, michaelcycle00 said:

@Bufo Alvarius I can just tell he really doesn’t know. That’s fine though, but maybe he should swallow his pride a bit and say that he doesn’t know for sure. “Simultaneous experiences” leave too many questions unanswered, and it kinda sucks that solipsism seems to be the more satisfactory answer, and also not. Depending on who you ask. 

Because reality is surprisingly simple and direct.  Look! Its right here and always was!! It's the stories we have imagined and the paradigms we have constructed that are so intricate.

[mandyjw]

@Evoke Rupert's. Which feels and aligns with what you "know" love to be? Not what you think is "right"? How do "you" "know" love anyway? 

It's easy. It's SO easy and available, it's overlooked. In love there is no self and no other. Direct experience is neither of those things, direct, nor experience. 

All you have is now. And the knife's edge of perfect now is no thing and no one to own it.  There are seemingly some who skillfully use it like a sword to cut through what's false. Rupert is one of the best in my experience. 

[Evoke]

Someone should ask Anna Brown this exact question. Anyone here attending her patreon sangha? 

[Ry4n]

8 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

The ego and the appearances are finite. A solipsist will take, say, a measly 5 senses and some contrasts, and think that clearly limited appearance is the totality of all possible appearances contained within infinity. It doesn't make sense.

Lol Yeah that idea is pretty stupid. I hope @Leo Gura you don’t agree with this but I wouldn’t know because I can never get a clear answer. I can get an absolute answer from you, but the question being asked is actually relative. 

At least some of the questions have to be answered on a relative level, and then see how that relates to the absolute level. 
 

For instance, absolutely do I agree that there is only one infinite consciousness, with no bounds or limitations, which’s substance is nothing and can manifest into whatever it likes? Of course! 
 
On a more basic, human, relative impermanent level, do I think such a consciousness (for the purpose of creation) could split itself into dualities, which include many unique finite minds that interplay with each other because why the flying fuck not it’s infinite? YES!

Absolutely, is all those finite minds with unique experiences completely imaginary?  YES! Does it matter? FUCK NO! It’s all imagination anyway, my ego’s finite experience is just as imaginary as anything else, even my microscopic dick is imaginary, who cares? I fail to see a reason to interpret my relative experience of the world as any different than before, despite knowing the underlying unity of it. I can still appreciate the diversity of it all whilst knowing it’s all one at the same time. 

I think Rupert is simply trying to connect the relative and absolute by saying that one infinite consciousness (the absolute) can imagine many different experiences simultaneously in the relative sense. Don’t see anything wrong here. 

If one truly cared about erasing duality forever, there would be nothing. If an individual does anything at all, that proves they care about diversity and want to enjoy creation and possibly take part in it. 

Yes it’s imagination, and?