Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(

[Bojan V]

@Husseinisdoingfine

1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Wondering if this website will get a massive backlash.

In that case it would be a smart move to shut down the comment section.

[The0Self]

3 minutes ago, tuckerwphotography said:

Or the simpler question, is there anything other than what's right here right now?

No. There is not.

However, be careful...

Even though this is all there is, be wary of these assumptions:

That you should know all there is.

That this is in (or at) an exclusive “here and now” as opposed to some other here and now.

It’s those assumptions which can lead you astray — resorting to mere irrational, contorted, false belief that “this is all there is” in a way that is not the truth.

There is only what does and doesn’t appear ≈ I am you.

[Space]

26 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@Surfingthewave That seems like something that is far beyond the scope of this website. This place isn't a mental health institution 

Precisely. 

[tuckerwphotography]

2 minutes ago, The0Self said:

That you should know all there is.

That this is in (or at) an exclusive “here and now” as opposed to some other here and now.

@The0Self Can you clarify these two points? Not sure I'm following, but I sense they're important. Thank you.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, tuckerwphotography said:

@Leo Gura I guess the question is whether the "other" as a figment of God's imagination can experience suffering outside of the direct experience that is right here right now. Or the simpler question, is there anything other than what's right here right now? From how I've understood your teachings as well as my own insights via psychedelics, the answer is perhaps no. But I could see how that knowledge could lead to some twisted places, or at least twisted in the construct of what society deems to be twisted. Or twisted in how the ego hijacks this absolute truth and uses it to reorient life in a sociopathic way. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding something.

Well, you need to become conscious what is absolutely true about the matter.

Personally I have answered the question for myself. I know it's all an illusion. But you have to see that for yourself to believe it.

Beware! To see the total illusion will not be easy to stomach. And it may endanger your material existence.

I reached a point in my consciousness where if I went any deeper, I would probably be dead right now.

17 minutes ago, The0Self said:

Not to mention, has a spiritual commune ever ended well? Like, ever?

Has any large human social group ever ended well? Like, ever?

Think about why that is.

17 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

@Leo Gura

Maybe what could be done is to add as a function a button to report death related threads or posts that looks from mildly suspicious to straight out creepy.

And with it could come an automatic dm in the user's box, with warnings, directions and disclaimers.

This forum software is very complex and it basically cannot be changed.

[Preety_India]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is the whole problem. It takes a lot of time and energy to sort the truth from the games.

Our resources on this forum are limited. This is not designed to be a full-service shop. This is suppose to be a casual place for basic Q&A and socialization. We are not equipped to deal with serious mental health issues here.

If I had a way to filtering out mentally unstable people from joining this forum, I would do so. Because it is not my job to work with such people. But such filtering is impossible.

I find it ironic that you talk about helping people on their spiritual path meanwhile completely ignoring mental and emotional issues that can exist not only independent of this path but are also a part of this path.

Now don't take this as a personal attack. I'm not trying to attack you.

You do realize that people on this path are going to experience intense experiences while doing this work 

You yourself have cried many times in your video and so you must be aware what I'm talking about.

You saying that someone is mentally unstable for entertaining suicidal thoughts is like a doctor saying that they only deal with patients who have a positive response to their medication and treatment program and those who report side effects of the medication are conveniently deleted and packed and sent home by branding them as weirdos.

I'm not trying to say that you're demonizing people with mental issues but it seems like you're excessively absolving yourself of any responsibility for people experiencing weird emotions when such experiences are extremely common in any spiritual community.

How do you create space for all the good things by simply cutting off all the bad aspects as inconvenient to your agenda?

Isn't the definition of doing  good supposed to be creating refuge for the bad stuff and a healing space for the bad stuff to recover and turn to Good ?

Or do you want a more stage Orange success mentality on here combined with spiritual ego aka spiritual Messiah kind of thing?

 

 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I find it ironic that you talk about helping people on their spiritual path meanwhile completely ignoring mental and emotional issues that can exist not only independent of this path but are also a part of this path.

I basically expect you to handle your own emotional stuff. I don't have the time to deal with people's emotional ups and downs.

I talk about emotional issues in my videos but I am not going to hold your hand through them. This is totally unfeasible to do and you gotta learn to deal with it yourself anyways. If you need emotional assistance, that's what you hire a therapist for. And don't forget, a therapist charges $200/hr.

If you were playing me $200/hr, then you could expect one-on-one personal help with your emotions.

A doctor charges you $400/hr.

This is an online chatroom.

[Space]

3 hours ago, Spiritzz said:

 I would advice Leo to contact help lines or psychologists who can explain what you can do, to not trigger these persons in the wrong direction. On our national TV when a heavy subject is on that can spark stuff a telephone helpline is always shown. 

It's not any particularly moderators or Leo's responsibility to look after people here. You are here at your own choice and risk. And you practise spirituality at your own risk.

If people need specialist mental health advice, then they should be going to specialist mental health advisors and therapists. Leo, nor any moderator, are required to provide that. This is not the place for that. 

[StarStruck]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I basically expect you to handle your own emotional stuff. I don't have the time to deal with people's emotional ups and downs.

I talk about emotional issues in my videos but I am not going to hold your hand through them. This totally unfeasible to do and you gotta learn to deal with it yourself anyways. If you need emotional assistance, that's what you hire a therapist for. And don't forget, a therapist charges $200/hr.

If you were playing me $200/hr, then you could expect one-on-one personal help with your emotions.

Luckily my therapy is covered by my health insurance. I wouldn't do spirituality if I couldn't afford the professional help. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Luckily my therapy is covered by my health insurance. I wouldn't do spirituality if I couldn't afford the professional help. 

Few people in the world have such luxuries.

[Tim R]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In the future I may remove every social aspect of Actualized.org entirely. No comments, no forum. Just videos.

This would be a huge loss (yeah, I know I'm being selfish). Exchange with other people is extremely valuable, one, because it provides alleviation from the sense of loneliness that comes with going deep in this work and two, it simply enlarges the information network. The more people, the more information. 

@Leo GuraPeople discover Actualized.org because they want to know how to not give a sh*t what others think or how to meditate. And then they discover the rest. 

The relation between "depth of content" and "degree of shallowness of average follower" is too wide of a gap. 

I'm not telling you to divide Actualized.org into two camps, but the discrepancy between the levels of development that meet within the framework of Actualized.org has become unsustainably large. Hell, it even took a massive toll on the popularity of your brand. 

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I basically expect you to handle your own emotional stuff. I don't have the time to deal with people's emotional ups and downs.

I talk about emotional issues in my videos but I am not going to hold your hand through them. This totally unfeasible to do and you gotta learn to deal with it yourself anyways. If you need emotional assistance, that's what you hire a therapist for. And don't forget, a therapist charges $200/hr.

If you were playing me $200/hr, then you could expect one-on-one personal help with your emotions.

I get your point and I understand that you shouldn't play the role of a personal therapist here to anyone.

But it's incredibly arrogant to brush this issue under the carpet by saying "you deal with your own stuff, I'm not your therapist" and at the same time trying to market compassion in your videos. Contradictory.

If you care about people in a metaphysical way, your care wouldn't reach them if you haven't explored other ways of healing them.

Are you doing this work for your own ego?

Do you not want to know what can help a person?

Do you only want to speak about compassion but not act on it ?

If someone needs healing, maybe a few words from you might help them. If they're excessively pining for your attention then you can always tell them to seek therapy without sounding condescending to them .

However you  absolutely not wanting to talk to people with Emotional issues and daftly putting it away as "I'm not your therapist" is a casual way of shirking deep responsibility for any normal person (normie in your lingo) let alone for a spiritual teacher like you !

If you call yourself a teacher also practice what you preach. 

Hell even normal people on the street would offer a piece of kind word if a suicidal person approached them.

With you the standard of expectation is a bit higher.

You can't be like Eckhart Tolle simply sitting there and chatting up the audience in a joking spirit and when someone emotional in the audience asks a question, completely evading it and asking them to go to a therapist 

This seems like hypocrisy.

Nobody expects you to babysit someone for hours but a few kind words from your mouth are not going to waste hours of your lifetime 

 

[Dodo]

29 minutes ago, @tuckerwphotography said:

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Or the simpler question, is there anything other than what's right here right now?

25 minutes ago, The0Self said:

No. There is not.

However, be careful...

Even though this is all there is, be wary of these assumptions:

That you should know all there is.

That this is in (or at) an exclusive “here and now” as opposed to some other here and now.

It’s those assumptions which can lead you astray — resorting to mere irrational, contorted, false belief that “this is all there is” in a way that is not the truth.

There is only what does and doesn’t appear ≈ I am you.

You cannot say "No, there is not". You have no way of knowing, as we cannot access what is beyond here and now. 

• Some assume there is something (matter) because it appears like that.
• Others assume there is nothing, because there is no direct experiential evidence of anything outside of Here-Now-Awareness.

but the correct response to such a question should not be to label the unknown/unknowable mystery as something or nothing, but to be true to what we actually know and label it with question mark or Mu. 

It is a mystery and will remain a mystery. We like to know things, but I had a major breakthrough when I changed this little assumption of knowing what is beyond us (or lack of such a thing) when if we are honest, as conscious awareness, we do not. 

Edited May 20, 2021 by Dodo

[Surfingthewave]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is not feasible and that will not be happening.

I made a decision a few years ago when I updated the disclaimers to the Forum Guidelines that we are not in the business of suicide prevention or mental healthcare. Nor will we be entering that business.

This forum's purpose is to be a casual place for chit-chat. This is precisely why I never started a large organization or spiritual commune. The idea was to keep things small and simple and casual. 

In the future I may remove every social aspect of Actualized.org entirely. No comments, no 

@Leo Gura

So why have you got a section for serious emotional problems? If you claim to be teaching psychology then you need to think seriously about the gaps you may have in your approach.

I also see this with Teal Swans teachings.

This isn't just a place for casual chit chat this is a place where people come with serious emotional issues and may be vulnerable. 

Sounds like you may need to review the purpose of the forum. 

[VeganAwake]

7 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I get your point and I understand that you shouldn't play the role of a personal therapist here to anyone.

But it's incredibly arrogant to brush this issue under the carpet by saying "you deal with your own stuff, I'm not your therapist" and at the same time trying to market compassion in your videos. Contradictory.

If you care about people in a metaphysical way, your care wouldn't reach them if you haven't explored other ways of healing them.

Are you doing this work for your own ego?

Do you not want to know what can help a person?

Do you only want to speak about compassion but not act on it ?

If someone needs healing, maybe a few words from you might help them. If they're excessively pining for your attention then you can always tell them to seek therapy without sounding condescending to them .

However you  absolutely not wanting to talk to people with Emotional issues and daftly putting it away as "I'm not your therapist" is a casual way of shirking deep responsibility for any normal person (normie in your lingo) let alone for a spiritual teacher like you !

If you call yourself a teacher also practice what you preach. 

Hell even normal people on the street would offer a piece of kind word if a suicidal person approached them.

With you the standard of expectation is a bit higher.

You can't be like Eckhart Tolle simply sitting there and chatting up the audience in a joking spirit and when someone emotional in the audience asks a question, completely evading it and asking them to go to a therapist 

This seems like hypocrisy.

Nobody expects you to babysit someone for hours but a few kind words from your mouth are not going to waste hours of your lifetime 

 

Maybe you can become a moderator to help with such issues.

Get a chance to experience things on the flip side sort of speak. ❤

[Preety_India]

Just now, VeganAwake said:

Maybe you can become a moderator to help with such issues.

Get a chance to experience things on the flip side sort of speak. ❤

I would be glad to do that.

I already help people a lot here especially with their emotional issues given my own experience with it.

 

[Preety_India]

@Leo Gura I have deep respect for who you are as a person.

So please don't think of me as attacking you. Not my goal 

I only wanted to offer a fair critique of your dismissive attitude towards mental and emotional health in the light of what you represent at Actualized Org 

Also this whole big organization that you built called Actualized Org is not solely your property after you made people a part of it..

Actualized Org is not meant only for Leo Gura and his aspirations. It is also meant for people who became a part of this journey with you.

Are you going to simply cut them off ?

We shared this journey with you. We became a part of you along with you doing this work.

Yes we are physically and mentally separate from you 

But what you are doing at Actualized Org is not simply your own work but also group work. We are also a part of who we made you. Your videos are about helping us. So this is a two way street.

You cannot be trying to help us and also separate us at the same time.

So hopefully you'll pay us due consideration to our input in all your future decisions.

 

Edited May 20, 2021 by Preety_India

[WaveInTheOcean]

Dont blame Leo lol 

The dude made his own decision

Tragic of course

Fucking hell

And yes, maybe Leo/this forum/nahm could improve in communication to help prevent ppl take such retarded decisions as suicide.

But don't you fucking blame Leo

Love ya all ?????

 

[VeganAwake]

There may be a way to also set up suicidal red flag warning notification for certain words like: jump; end; kill; hurt; die etc...

This may already be the case. ❤

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Surfingthewave said:

@Leo Gura

So why have you got a section for serious emotional problems? If you claim to be teaching psychology then you need to think seriously about the gaps you may have in your approach.

Because there is no way to filter out those people and because at least those people might get some help from fellow forum member.

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This isn't just a place for casual chit chat this is a place where people come with serious emotional issues and may be vulnerable. 

Sounds like you may need to review the purpose of the forum. 

Again, your guys' expectations for this forum are way off.

This forum is purely pro-bono work. I offer no guarantees to any member or user of this forum that I will reply or help in any way. I could leave and not post on this forum for 2 months. This is not a clinic, this not therapy, this is not even life coaching. There is zero client relationship here. It's simply a big chat room. No guarantees of help are given. And in fact, no serious help is possible in this format.

Vulnerable people will inevitably come. Suicidal people will inevitably come. Drug addicts will come. Mentally ill people will come. Poor people will come. Criminal people will come. And it is not my job to help any of them any more than it is your job to save every mentally ill poor person you see the sidewalk. There are thousands of people in the world who need serious help. Unfortunately there is not enough time or energy to help them all.

I help those who I can when I feel capable and have some free time. Otherwise it is not my business. I am not here to save the world. And I am not in the business of building out a mental health organization. It is a full-time job just to keep Actualized.org running, even not counting what nonsense goes on on the forum.

Please understand this. No Youtuber or CEO or guru is running around personally saving people. Sadhguru or Eckhart Tolle is not gonna answer your email and talk to you. Sadhguru does not even show up at his seminars. It's just a video recording of him. The amount of time and energy which I have devoted to answering your guys' questions and problems via forum and comments is so outrageously high that you can not even being to calculate it. Nobody in the self-help or spiritual industry or on YT has answered as many questions, in such depth, for free, as I have. Find me one person who has done more.

I spent an hour on the phone last week talking down Connor the madman. Just to get trolled.

You are seriously taking for granted how hard I work for you for free. And if this kind of attitude continues, I will stop commenting and answering questions full stop. It will all be shut down. I have zero desire to play these social games. And I will have zero guilt about it, because I owe you nothing. I could be enjoying a drink on the beach right now, counting my money and smoking some DMT. Interacting with you and helping you has been something I've done for 5 years purely out of passion.