Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(

[SgtPepper]

@Scholar

If a person is whole, and coming from a place of wholeness - Suicide will not be the answer nor will rape nor will replacing hair without anesthesia. 

With all due respect, I do believe SoonHei was dealing with mental illness in some form.

One of the most valuable supports I have is a therapist and I highly recommend everyone connect in person to someone who can display wholeness.

[Scholar]

5 minutes ago, 4201 said:

So you think whether or not people choose suicide is a matter of how the information is presented instead of it being presented? In your previous message you said "Don't tell this anyone".

I think you have to go back and carefully re-read what I wrote. Some information should not be given out like Leo is doing it and also in the way he is doing it. He is doing deeper deconstruction that Spiritual Teachers will do in person, where they can constantly monitor and adjust the trajectory of the person.

If you want to go deep, you cannot do it in a robot way. You can't do it like Leo is trying to do it, at his home talking to a camera and just telling everyone exactly how it is. That's like so bizarrely silly it's mindblowing to me that it's not obvious.

 

3 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

@Scholar

If a person is whole, and coming from a place of wholeness - Suicide will not be the answer nor will rape nor will replacing hair without anesthesia. 

With all due respect, I do believe SoonHei was dealing with mental illness in some form.

One of the most valuable supports I have is a therapist and I highly recommend everyone connect in person to someone who can display wholeness.

This literally doesn't change anything. But again, just keep on shifting responsibility as far away from Leo and yourself as you can. That's the attitude the spiritual  community needs right now.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Scholar

[RMQualtrough]

Just now, Scholar said:

Because to you all of this is nothing but intellectual masturbation. If you actually were to take this path seriously, you would notice that it would start being the case that putting your hands in the hornest nest wouldn't be problematic to you at all. Connor Murphy got hair replacement without anesthesia to prove the point that to him every experience was "Good".

 

You are doing intellectual gymnastics here.

I've never cared about the path, this is merely intellectual to me. It's a philosophy I adopted after psychedelic use and then subsequent logical consideration. I do genuinely and truly believe it is most logically accurate, and have had mystical experiences, but my interest ends at understanding.

I think others go the other way round... I became nondual because I had experience which pointed to it and I became curious. I had no choice but to believe what I do... Others instead look for a "path" to improve their lives or w.e. and believe the things in the same way someone may believe a religion... I did not even know what nonduality was until I searched "monist religions" after a DMT trip.

Connor is intensely mentally ill. He claims to have been taken hostage by the government. Not even one claim he ever makes is trustworthy, and if he did do some wack shit, then oh well we all know he is literally crazy.

Someone mentally balanced like Leo does not go on camera shoving his hand in wasp nests. That is madman stuff.

[Dodo]

6 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

I've never cared about the path, this is merely intellectual to me. It's a philosophy I adopted after psychedelic use and then subsequent logical consideration. I do genuinely and truly believe it is most logically accurate, and have had mystical experiences, but my interest ends at understanding.

I think others go the other way round... I became nondual because I had experience which pointed to it and I became curious. I had no choice but to believe what I do... Others instead look for a "path" to improve their lives or w.e. and believe the things in the same way someone may believe a religion... I did not even know what nonduality was until I searched "monist religions" after a DMT trip.

Connor is intensely mentally ill. He claims to have been taken hostage by the government. Not even one claim he ever makes is trustworthy, and if he did do some wack shit, then oh well we all know he is literally crazy.

Someone mentally balanced like Leo does not go on camera shoving his hand in wasp nests. That is madman stuff.

That I can believe. I've had similar experiences and there are forces that can do things like that, trust me... The rabbit hole is deep... You call it madman, but he experienced it... What if something out of the ordinary happens to you and then nobody would believe you... But it did happen, clear as day... I've seen and communicated with entities that could read my mind and were translating via some gadgets to get my identity and where I am from, because I wouldn't speak.... Later on, one of the guys there told me that "Everyone here works for the government, don't trust them, even the good ones, they are the worst". Hehe weird 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Dodo

[Windappreciator]

To be honest,

Scholar has one point here.

It would do the forum good if many of you guys would crank up the nodge on morality and responsibility and sensitivity.

Hardly many of you been in solid stage green.

[4201]

5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Some information should not be given out like Leo is doing it and also in the way he is doing it. He is doing deeper deconstruction that Spiritual Teachers will do in person, where they can constantly monitor and adjust the trajectory of the person.

If you want to go deep, you cannot do it in a robot way. You can't do it like Leo is trying to do it, at his home talking to a camera and just telling everyone exactly how it is. That's like so bizarrely silly it's mindblowing to me that it's not obvious.

I do think that your criticism of Leo would help him deconstruct the mind of anyone more effectively, but I disagree that his current technique leads to any amount of increased rate of suicide. It clearly reaches more people all at once, but I don't see the link between that and suicide.

[James123]

This is an egoistic movement, which mean is someone who is thinking about that jumping on the bridge and doing it. Path of the spirituality is realization of that there is no such a thing as thinker. So when you realize that there will be you to suicede. Suiciding is based on purpose, path on enlightenment is letting go of the all purpose. Sorry for your but it has nothing to do with spirituality. Additionally, people in this form DO NOT TAKE PSYCHEDELICS, WHICH WILL MAKE YOU BE A GOD, OR LOVE, GOING SOME BETTER PLACE, Or BEING INFINITE. ENLIGHTENMENT HAS NOTHING TO WITH ANY OF THAT. Your entire expectations will be destroyed when enlightenment happens. Psychedelics are just an illusion. Not even close to truth. Enlightenment is letting go the person who take psychedelics, all experiences , which are daily or under influence of psychedelics. You let go entire universe thats it. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by James123

[SgtPepper]

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Edited May 19, 2021 by SgtPepper

[Dodo]

1 minute ago, 4201 said:

I do think that your criticism of Leo would help him deconstruct the mind of anyone more effectively, but I disagree that his current technique leads to any amount of increased rate of suicide. It clearly reaches more people all at once, but I don't see the link between that and suicide.

I believe there is actually a link. I had attempted a suicide long time ago, because I was actually fine with the idea of moving on. I was not afraid of death, took the rat poison and laid there, only for my mother to come in and find out what happened, then took me to the hospital... Leos stuff are very radical and can be misunderstood and misused. I wouldn't blame him, because he can't control how others would perceive an insight that he's had, which might very well be true. 

[karkaore]

Stop it already, will you?

Dude jumped off a bridge. Can you please, for once, shut the fuck up?

You guys make me wanna vomit.

[Scholar]

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

I believe there is actually a link. I had attempted a suicide long time ago, because I was actually fine with the idea of moving on. I was not afraid of death, took the rat poison and laid there, only for my mother to come in and find out what happened, then took me to the hospital... Leos stuff are very radical and can be misunderstood and misused. I wouldn't blame him, because he can't control how others would perceive an insight that he's had, which might very well be true. 

But this idea of blame is completely silly. This isn't about blame, this is about responsibility and compassion. Leo can adjust his behave. Him spouting that he is God and reality is a dream, and morality unreal, in the way he does that, it's completely unnecessary.

 

Leo loves being right, that's fundamentally why he likes talking about all of this. He loves being intellectual, he loves telling you how it is. That's the primary reason why he does communicate this stuff in the way he does. It has nothing to do with some sort of grand strategy of wanting to be the most effective teacher.

If he wanted to be effective, he would have long ago found a way to test his teachings with solid feedback. The best way to do this is if you do it in person.

 

He can very much control to a degree how his ideas will be received, it would be absurd to claim otherwise.

[RMQualtrough]

10 minutes ago, Dodo said:

That I can believe. I've had similar experiences and there are forces that can do things like that, trust me... The rabbit hole is deep... You call it madman, but he experienced it... What if something out of the ordinary happens to you and then nobody would believe you... But it did happen, clear as day... I've seen and communicated with entities that could read my mind and were translating via some gadgets to get my identity and where I am from, because I wouldn't speak.... Later on, one of the guys there told me that "Everyone here works for the government, don't trust them, even the good ones, they are the worst". Hehe weird 

He also says he is a 5th dimensional alien lifeform, that he is the literal second coming of Christ, and all sorts. Have you even seen how unhinged and ill he is?

He has been sectioned for psychosis already.

[Shin]

6 minutes ago, karkaore said:

Stop it already, will you?

Dude jumped off a bridge. Can you please, for once, shut the fuck up?

You guys make me wanna vomit.

I don't know who you're talking about, but Scholar go a point.

Even though, ultimately the decision is not in our hands, and Soonhei may have done it even if Leo and the forum were more careful and upfront about this (physically harming yourself is not necessary at all),

We have all our own share of responsibility to influence a bit more people to do that.
It's not all an individual choice or a collective one, it's both.

So I have to admit, I kinda feel bad right now, because I'm probably the one who used this analogy the most, on top of not directly experiencing it myself.

I'm not guilting myself, but I still kind of feel bad, cause in retrospect, how many people I have influenced to do just what Soonhei did ? Probably a lot.

To the point of actually committing suicide ? Most likely not.

But still, there is an effect that I can't deny, I can't just tell myself that whatever I write has no influence, it does, way more than I can think of.

And we all do.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Shin

[Forestluv]

Please keep in mind that family members may be reading this thread. 

[Dodo]

9 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

He also says he is a 5th dimensional alien lifeform, that he is the literal second coming of Christ, and all sorts. Have you even seen how unhinged and ill he is?

He has been sectioned for psychosis already.

I can totally understand what he means and I would love to speak to him about these stuff. I've had literally so much similar experience as this. This 5th dimension would explain a lot of the crazyness that I was experiencing. I have seen flies that do not exist in "normal reality" and beings that pretended to be people, who had a connected consciousness and I thought were either aliens or really advanced AI. There were also a situation in which I was supposed to do something and the two girls there, after my inaction, were very disappointed at the "Jesus" they had been given. And the very reason I was there in the first place was because I had asked for light body activation and was able to live without eating and sleeping, after which some stuff happened and the forces of darkness captured me and started bounding me. 

Can it really be a mental illness if it is an experience that is repeatable? How can both Connor and me have an experience of being Christ and 5d experiences? Seems to me like it is a spiritual reality rather than a mental illness. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Dodo

[outlandish]

Fuck.

We need to take great steps as a community to inoculate against this kind of thing ever happening again. This is heartbreaking to imagine his young kids growing up without their dad. 

It's one thing to choose to take your own life, but we all live in a network of people who we love and love us back. Death is inevitable, there's no sense in rushing it.

[RMQualtrough]

@Dodo If you were sober and seeing things which aren't there and thinking you are Jesus being attacked by dark forces, I would suggest looking into the possibility of schizophrenia. There's an actual easy at home test for schiz, involving sipping soda while making a certain facial expression.

Connor stops believing he is an alien etc. once he is given antipsychotics. If dark forces are causing you distress, something like Seroquel might make them vanish.

[Windappreciator]

@RMQualtrough Connor is not schizo and that is not a valid test, also neuroleptics are not a help for schizophrenic people.

If i give you enough neuroleptics, you will stop believing 1+1 is 2, so did they make you delusional all the sudden?

Edited May 19, 2021 by Windappreciator

[outlandish]

Let's stay on topic here people, this isn't a thread about Connor, or you.

[Nahm]

5 hours ago, SoonHei said:

@Nahm  NAHM, Sunny was an adult and is responsible for the action he took. I am just presenting what happened and sharing screenshots of his discussion as I found them. I have been on this forum on and off since he died trying to understand WHY he did this to his family. He literally had your name on his dreamboard as well. He trusted your guidance. 

@SoonHei

Again, I am very sorry for your loss. What you are sharing is not the direct communication, it is an edited after the fact, more than once, communication. When I received your message, I messaged Leo asking if it is possible to see the editing history, to try to make some sense of this. 
 

Like you, I could only speculate as to his ‘why’, because whatever that why might have been, it was of his private thoughts. 
 

I do not agree that he trusted in my guidance. If suicide was the ‘lessor of two evils’, I have always suggested expression, talking with someone, taking advantage of all resources available, letting go vs carrying the weight. If his actions were of the thinking of ‘conscious death’, I have commented multiple times offering clarity on this misunderstanding.  
 

Making a dreamboard is indicative of what I suggest, and is about living and creating consciously. I am not per se an advocate of even the “ego death” lingo. 

Also, in terms of trusting my guidance, he never reached out to talk as in have a session. I wish he would have, perhaps he would have opened up if he was carrying a weight, or perhaps found clarity on the “conscious death” philosophy. Again I am speculating here.

This medium of communication is very limiting. I am on the road in the country presently and reception is hit or miss. If however you are interested in chatting on Skype in the future I welcome that.