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Trump permanently suspended from Twitter

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On 10.1.2021 at 1:46 AM, Preety_India said:

The way he points his finger though, so vulgar. He is already following in the footsteps of his dad. 

The angle makes him look like a child ^_^


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

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On 1/9/2021 at 7:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

This is actually very important because otherwise Trump would have used all these social media accounts to troll and agitate over the next 4 years. Now he can't. It's crucial that Trump not be given access to mainstream media platforms to start a new movement.

is not even about Trump being a dumbfuck or a genious.

Is about you agreeing with censorship.

He didn't break any rule.

You just want people that you don't like to be censored.

It's a private platform and they can do whatever they want? OKay but he's the president and he didn't break any rule.

The reason that Twitter used is a cheap pretext.

Hate Trump all you want, but censoring people that you don't want is shitty and low.

And you're part of this.

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3 minutes ago, Grapevine said:

He didn't break any rule.

Should incitement of violence be exclusively limited to literal statements or should it include general rhetoric?


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9 minutes ago, Grapevine said:

 

He didn't break any rule.

You just want people that you don't like to be censored.

It's a private platform and they can do whatever they want? OKay but he's the president and he didn't break any rule.

He broke Twitter’s rules and TOS. As well, he may have broken rules of law. We shall see if and what courts decide.

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@Carl-Richard

38 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Should incitement of violence

he didn't incite any violence.

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THis is not incitement of violence, not even in that certain context.

Read it yourself.

That's just the pretext they used to ban him.

He could have said "Don't be violent" and Twitter would still twist his post to make it look like he is inciting for violence.

 

Tell me, you young freethinkier, how is that inciting to violence? quote what he said, contextualise it, and point to me how is that incitefull to violence.

 

It's not, just admit it that you hate freedom of speech.

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@Forestluv he didn't break anything.

I posted above the reason for his ban.

Cut your pretexts dude.

Just admit that you wanted to see him banned and now that it finally happened you don't care about the reason.

 

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Will this work though? Or will he just create another plattform where the already most crazy and deluted people will be the first to find out about it?

Is this supposed to be a statement from Twitter? And if so, how is Twitter going to explain the fact that they have chosen to ban Trump, but let people like the iranian president call for jihad and violence, not even removing the tweets?

I see potential for backlash and problems here..

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@w4read

2 hours ago, w4read said:

Or will he just create another plattform where the already most crazy and deluted people will be the first to find out about it?

is not about crazy and deluteded people, is about the freedom of speech, he got banned and he didn't break any rule, twitter wanted to shut his month.

I posted above his tweet and that doesn't incite for violence, not even in that certain context, is just a pretext to make him stfu since all libs hate Trump.

 

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25 minutes ago, Grapevine said:

@w4read

is not about crazy and deluteded people, is about the freedom of speech, he got banned and he didn't break any rule, twitter wanted to shut his month.

I posted above his tweet and that doesn't incite for violence, not even in that certain context, is just a pretext to make him stfu since all libs hate Trump.

 

Let's have a story.

A rich powerful person picks up a gun and for twelve years is spinning around a gun in his hands, firing shots into the forest. Trying to scare people with this gun by firing into the air. He attracts a crowd of admirers who love the novelty. Bribing the cops to not arrest him, the rich man is only killing squirrels!  Periodically it kills a squirrel, a bird, it scares off the wildlife. One day the gun kills, I don't know, five-six people and the cops finally stop being bribed by this madman and take his gun away for 12 hours, if he's a responsible gentleman he can keep the gun.

Soon after the richman decides to shooting the gun off into the air because it is in his blood, he cannot help himself. It doesn't cause any immediate harm but the cops want no more squirrels or people dead. They take the gun away.

Why is this so hard to understand? 

 

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1 hour ago, Grapevine said:

@w4read

is not about crazy and deluteded people, is about the freedom of speech, he got banned and he didn't break any rule, twitter wanted to shut his month.

I posted above his tweet and that doesn't incite for violence, not even in that certain context, is just a pretext to make him stfu since all libs hate Trump.

 

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html

Twitter explicitly gives their reasoning behind their decision to ban him in the blog post. It makes more sense to explicitly argue why you believe the factors they listed fall outside of Twitter's 'Glorification of Violence' policy (also linked in the blog post) instead of a bunch of unnecessary posturing. I don't understand what you expect to gain from telling people to 'just admit they hate free speech' and asking, in bad-faith, to tell you how exactly Trump's tweets violate Twitter's TOS.

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The user @Grapevine has been given a temporary suspension for multiple warnings (from multiple moderators) of verbal abuse, misuse of the DM system and using multiple accounts. 

As a general statement: part of self-actualization and personal development is taking personal responsibility. It's about facing aspects of ourselves and working through it - even when those aspects are uncomfortable. Behaviors such as wearing masks and blaming others to avoid personal accountability is the opposite of personal growth. Avoiding, repressing, pretending and portraying onto others are clogged pipes that block us from purifying ourselves of conditioned toxins and realizing our higher nature. I know what it's like to be uncomfortable in my own skin, being reactive and doing things like having multiple identities to pretend I'm someone else. And I know it's not easy to uncover, discover and discard such things. 

And it is disruptive at a community level. Ideally, we are a community of imperfect beings that support each other toward healing, growth, realization and expansion. Creating multiple accounts to play different characters or to bypass previous warnings is disingenuous to oneself and the community. And it is disruptive to forming a cohesive community.

I hope that every person that joins actualized can expand their conscious through healing, personal growth, cognitive development, transcendence etc. Yet to do so, there needs to be an environment in which such growth can manifest. 

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9 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

wearing masks

How does one go about recognizing the masks one wears?


"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

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4 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

How does one go about recognizing the masks one wears?

Introspection from within and extrospection from those that have a higher level of development. There are various methods and environments for this, yet it can be challenging and uncomfortable. Intention seems to be an essential element. 

And the layers keep going deeper and deeper. 

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@Forestluv 🙏

Rings true to me.


"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

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For those on the left, Big Tech is not your friend. They might project the illusion that they're on your side when in fact, they're not.

Big Tech only cares about power. Their goal is to become much powerful than the government.

In some sense, Big Tech is much powerful than the government itself.

Big Tech must be regulated by the government.

What they did to President Trump is simply unacceptable.

It doesn't matter if you're a conservative or a leftist. We have to agree on certain principles.

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Me on the road less traveled.

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@The Don  No, will not agree, like at all. Society needs checks in place or some people will not stop till it's all destroyed. Some people just want to watch the world burn. Just like we stop criminals and murders from harming other people in society, Trump needed to be stopped from trying to literally stop democracy and destroy this country. Speech that kills, is unacceptable. Period.

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25 minutes ago, The Don said:

Big Tech must be regulated by the government.

Judging by, well - everything, I don't think Trump would like that either :P 


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49 minutes ago, The Don said:

For those on the left, Big Tech is not your friend. They might project the illusion that they're on your side when in fact, they're not.

Big Tech only cares about power. Their goal is to become much powerful than the government.

In some sense, Big Tech is much powerful than the government itself.

Big Tech must be regulated by the government.

Obviously Big Tech companies must be regulated, but be careful about critiquing Big Tech from Below (rather than from Above). The reason for regulating Big Tech is because of the immense amount of Power they wield, and also because many of them are Monopolies that society has come to depend on. Social Media platforms have become breeding grounds for the spread of misinformation such as Conspiracy Theories, in addition to the problematic way that online Echo Chambers reinforce and amplify divisions in society; the disastrous consequences of which we've seen unfolding over the past few years. A critique from above would advocate for treating Social Media platforms as Public Utilities, and finding policies to regulate the spread of misinformation, and devising strategies for pushing back against the radicalizing effect of online Echo Chambers.

Bitching and moaning about Trump finally getting banned from Social Media platforms, after years of propagating misinformation and advocating for Political Violence, is a critique from Below.

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The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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Here's the problem for right-wingers. If Big Tech is regulated by government -- which I am all for -- Trump and his racist MAGA douches would still get banned. Even faster actually. Government has laws against racism.

If Twitter was properly regulated by government, Trump would have been banned years ago. With government regulation, platform ToS will become more strict and will be more strictly enforced. Which is bad news for devils, of which the right-wing is full.

When the right wing cries about free speech and censorship what they're really crying about is not being able to continue their devilry unobstructed. Nice try, but we see through your bullshit.


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