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Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

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2 hours ago, Rilles said:

Whats striking to me is how good these Qanon folks think they are. They literally think they are saving America by destroying it. They think they are gonna stop the evil Democrats. Its so hopelessly delusional when you see it from your own perspective. But in their minds they are little angels. 

It's a strange loop lol.

They think that the left = communism / authoritarianism, so they choose to fight for their freedom without realizing that Trump is the authoritarian one. If he could shut up everyone like Kim Jong-Un, he'll do it.

The libertarian ideology is also eating itself in a strange loop way. These problems looks like consequences of excessive freedom and unmoderated social media platforms. It created an ideological echo chamber where people got convinced that they will lost all their freedoms, so they choose to take actions that end up hurting people and creating less freedom for others.


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@abrakamowse Oh! I like that statement from Biden.

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"Biden called for “unity” with his “Republican colleagues” and made clear that he is opposed to holding anyone politically accountable."

I think Trump should have known better, with all the intel and experts he has access to, but I agree with Biden that it's better to calm the situation down. Sure, investigate the event but it's unclear to me if Trump deliberately wanted the crowd to storm the capitol.

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22 minutes ago, Willie said:

Well, that is a lot to let go of in the name of unification. On the one hand it’s admirable, and on the other hand it’s exactly why Democrats are sometimes seen as weak nice guys that can’t get much done. 

I agree... let's see what happens.

27 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Scrolling through Instagram and seeing all the people still on Trumps side after this and all the denial is making me really worried. Ideology is really the worst kind of poison.

Truly worrisome... 

:(


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@Leo Gura is "sociopathic" just a stage blue, orange, and green medicalization of stage red ego?

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@Anderz  After thinking about it better, I am beginning to see that Biden is doing what is right. In the sense that he will be perceived as the guy who want to unify and he will calm down a little bit the waters.

On the other hand, he said that he won't stop the Congress or anyone of doing investigations. I think they have to be accountable in some way, if it is not Biden, it has to be the democratic system in some way, via Congress or other means.

What cannot happen is to have another situation like this, where lying and fake news (true fake news from the far right I mean) are spreading all around the people's minds.

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9 minutes ago, Anderz said:

it's unclear to me if Trump deliberately wanted the crowd to storm the capitol.

Dude, he flat out said for them to march to the capitol and fight, and then they did. What more do you want of proof?? You're like saying "I'm not so sure Hitler told the crowd to kill millions of Jews". That's how ridiculous you sound. Pease just stop defending him already. 

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19 minutes ago, Raphael said:

It's a strange loop lol.

They think that the left = communism / authoritarianism, so they choose to fight for their freedom without realizing that Trump is the authoritarian one. If he could shut up everyone like Kim Jong-Un, he'll do it.

Thats the scary part. Trump could literally become a dictator and the crowds would keep cheering. I thought we were over this in 1945. 

The libertarian ideology is also eating itself in a strange loop way. These problems looks like consequences of excessive freedom and unmoderated social media platforms. It created an ideological echo chamber where people got convinced that they will lost all their freedoms, so they choose to take actions that end up hurting people and creating less freedom for others.

Yes. And they dont know what free speech really entails so they think inciting violence and racism on social media and getting banned means the "elites" are trying to censor them, and the more "censored" they get the more angry they will get and it will perpetuate itself even more. 

 

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How strange it is to be anything at all

 

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One of the core systemic problems that is developing is that the 1st Amendment laws are not keeping up with the evolving technology.  False speech is not protected speech.  You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.  You tube is a perfect vehicle for scam artists.  They construct elaborate conspiracy theories loaded with made up details and then present a false narrative using emotional imagery and sounds.  Keep in mind that David Icke has convinced millions of people that the Queen of England is a shape-shifting reptile.  Constructing a site like Alex Jones to create an illusion of credibility  and fabricating facts in order to incite violence should be criminalized.  This is well within the bounds of the 1st Amendment.  False speech is not protected speech.   Many of these people in the riots were white collar professionals who were persuaded by the fabricated QAnon conspiracy theory.  Critical thinking skills aren’t taught in American schools.  


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@Sempiternity I watched Trump's speech live and I heard him saying that they were going to the capitol, but I did't think of his statement at the time as anything related to riots or anything like that. I thought the demonstration was for showing support. In hindsight I think Trump should have avoided it because he has access to lots of intel and experts who could have warned him. Personally I don't think of his speech as a promotion of violence even though I think Trump should have known better.

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@Anderz He knew exactly what he was doing. Of course he is not going to blatantly say "Go march to the capitol and execute everyone who opposed me". It is reported by multiple people he was overjoyed as it was happening, as that is what he wanted to happen. And when the national guard tried to contact the president to get authorization to deploy the nation guard to stop the terrorist attacks he initiated, he ignored the calls. 

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2 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

It is reported by multiple people he was overjoyed as it was happening,

Do you have some sources for this? 


How strange it is to be anything at all

 

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8 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Do you have some sources for this? 

"Senior White House officials that President Trump was "delighted" to hear that his supporters were breaking into the Capitol building in a riot Wednesday that turned deadly."

“As this was unfolding on television, Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was as you had rioters pushing against Capitol Police trying to get into the building,” 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533403-sasse-says-trump-was-delighted-and-excited-by-reports-of-capitol-riot

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26 minutes ago, Anderz said:

@Sempiternity I watched Trump's speech live and I heard him saying that they were going to the capitol, but I did't think of his statement at the time as anything related to riots or anything like that. I thought the demonstration was for showing support. In hindsight I think Trump should have avoided it because he has access to lots of intel and experts who could have warned him. Personally I don't think of his speech as a promotion of violence even though I think Trump should have known better.

He was using what's known in politics as a Dog Whistle :

It's political shorthand for a phrase that may sound innocuous to some people, but which also communicates something more insidious either to a subset of the audience or outside of the audience’s conscious awareness — a covert appeal to some noxious set of views.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2016/11/7/13549154/dog-whistles-campaign-racism

So basically if you want to communicate something insidious (such as racism or violence) but want plausible deniability, you use Dog Whistle language to accomplish that.

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The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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7 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

"Senior White House officials that President Trump was "delighted" to hear that his supporters were breaking into the Capitol building in a riot Wednesday that turned deadly."

“As this was unfolding on television, Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was as you had rioters pushing against Capitol Police trying to get into the building,” 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533403-sasse-says-trump-was-delighted-and-excited-by-reports-of-capitol-riot

Damn. Thats a smoking gun right there.


How strange it is to be anything at all

 

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A mob of people were trying to stop the certification of election results that Trump lost. Why wouldn’t he be delighted? It feeds his ego.

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@Sempiternity I saw news articles about recommendation for how no buildings or monuments should be named after Trump after the incident. I don't see how that would benefit his ego. If Trump planned the event, then it would be like him shooting himself in the foot.

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This also reminds me of the day that Julius Caesar had to cross the Rubicon River...

 

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Posted (edited)

If I was a Trump supporter I would have been disheartened to see that Trump didn't march with me to the capitol. He should have marched like Martin Luther King did, that would have given him a lot of credibility. But he didn't he is a coward.

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40 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

He should have marched like Martin Luther King did

Hahahahahaha...


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