Leo Gura

Who's Interested In Conscious Politics?

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It's not a question of time or numbers.
If, for example, it is possible to remove the possibility of taxation by means of crypto-technology or whatever the state may be, then everything will change.
And look how angry they are all here. They would then have to channel their anger into something other than violence. :)

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Where is the plan? the strategy? how are we going to move forward with this. Everyone here is just talking about how more consciousness = better, so lets spread the word? All flowers and roses...

Sound like pretty naive stage green thinking.

What is the plan to pry the government away from the ownership of companies and give the power back to the people?

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Might want to think about creating our own country, likely decentralized digital block chain based. A country that can exist and operate distributed all over the world. 

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40 minutes ago, integral said:

Where is the plan? the strategy? how are we going to move forward with this. Everyone here is just talking about how more consciousness = better, so lets spread the word? All flowers and roses...

Sound like pretty naive stage green thinking.

What is the plan to pry the government away from the ownership of companies and give the power back to the people?

 

Only Stage Yellow and above people should be teaching doing Politics Work as an aspect of Personal Development Work.  Otherwise, it just becomes another mental-masturbation away from other things that one should focus on first in this work.  Keep first things first!  

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The best thing to do when approaching politics is to keep an open mind as Leo discusses it in upcoming videos.

Try not to cling to a particular perspective - such as the left or the right - instead be able to jump between perspectives and see it from all angles.

This is what is going to allow us to transcend the current divide and evolve our society.   That is what conscious politics is all about.  

 

 


Remove what you are to Be what You Are

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@Leo Gura Sounds great! I'd love to see this type of content. You haven't done much on politics, and for good reason. But I think some high quality discussions are needed. Particularly for me being in the UK, as our politics has gone to complete shit. I don't know how to think about it all. The country is completely divided because of Brexit. It makes me sad. It's so hard to find high level political discussion. The Daily Evolver does quite a good job for US politics, but the discussions are still a bit surface level.  Here's a good channel for info about Brexit if you or anyone else is interested. 

 

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@Leo Gura Yeah man! 

I think technology could be strongly utilized when it comes to our government. If we use our phones as a medium to further connect with our representatives, then we could increase our democracy as well as the accountability of our officials. And what I mean by this is having App with a good UI, that easily shows me who is my representatives are, voting history, what is the senate voting for today, or next week. 

This vision could be bigger and more intricate, but essentially using technology to increase the people's voice and awareness within the local --> state --> federal politics. 

 

@Norbert Lennartz You could acknowledge the benefits of society though. The fact that you're even reading and writing is because of public paid education... Even if you went to a private school paid by your parents, your parents earned money off others, and required others to educate you. You can't run from the fact that we are all social animals and collectively we thrive when we work together. Isn't it possible that you are just seeing one side of it? how many books have you read about the other side? 

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1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Only Stage Yellow and above people should be teaching doing Politics Work as an aspect of Personal Development Work.  Otherwise, it just becomes another mental-masturbation away from other things that one should focus on first in this work.  Keep first things first!  

I agree with Joe. Politics is a very tricky subject and should only be dealt with stage yellow and above for personal development.


"Tear off the mask. Your face is glorious." - Rumi

 

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59 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

how many books have you read about the other side? 

The question is not what I read about my "other side", but what you read about your "other side".

I was brought up with this shit and indoctrinated. And I believed it. I believed in the monetary system. I believed in the legal system. I didn't believe in the stories about the so-called "social question", but I didn't have an answer. I believed the news on television. I went to church on Sundays. I believed almost all the scaremongers. For a long time I was a hopeless case, a poor product of the ruling culture, until it drove me into years of burnout, because I didn't know why at all.

And then I noticed what was withheld from me.

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18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm planning some videos on a new topic I'm calling "Conscious Politics". It's a Tier 2 approach to politics and government which aims to go beyond the left/right divide.

Well, interested or not, it's coming, so brace yourselves! ;) Some of it will be controversial & radical, but also inspiring. If you lean conservative some of the things which will be said you will probably deny and react against. But there will also be critiques of liberal ideologies too.

It's a tricky topic to discuss because it tends to polarize and distract people from doing the inner work. And yet it must be discussed. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

will it be useful if one's grasp on politics is very weak? i only know generalizations like left is open/future minded/eco/gay rights/pro abortion and right is basically the opposite 

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4 hours ago, Quicksilver said:

The problem with politics is that before the people partaking in it have evolved to stage yellow and beyond, theres literally no point in engaging with it because the answer to all the questions will invariably be: "help people evolve into yellow" 

As long as politicians and the different electorate groups only see politics as a mean to achieve material gains for themselves and their groups there will be no objective discussion about any of the real issues, only playing ego games. 

Therefore, imo, you are already doing the most effective political actions out there which is raising people consciousness towards yellow. Once a good % of society is at yellow, it will make sense to discuss solutions to real issues.

While individual growth is very important the whole point is that it is not sufficient. Systemic change is required. New ways of understanding social problems are required. Collective action is required.

Individualism cannot get us to where we want to go.

So the point of talking about conscious politics is to elevate our current political duscourse, otherwise it stays at stage Blue/Orange/Green.

We can't just sit around waiting for people to evolve individually up to Yellow. We gotta change the discourse and culture in such a way that people grow into Yellow and understand what proper collective action looks like.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Would really appreciate some perspective on this topic! 

I'm very curious to hear about your thoughts on Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard, and the whole Edward Snowden thing if you can tie them in :)

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57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We can't just sit around waiting for people to evolve individually up to Yellow. We gotta change the discourse and culture in such a way that people grow into Yellow and understand what proper collective action looks like.

Yes.  And it has to come out of you where you're living it yourself.  You've done the practical work using the theory on yourself.

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With the rise of democracy, the identification of the State with society has been redoubled, until it is common to hear sentiments expressed which violate virtually every tenet of reason and common sense such as, "we are the government." The useful collective term "we" has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If "we are the government," then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also "voluntary" on the part of the individual concerned. If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that "we owe it to ourselves"; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is "doing it to himself" and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have "committed suicide," since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, therefore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part. One would not think it necessary to belabor this point, and yet the overwhelming bulk of the people hold this fallacy to a greater or lesser degree.

Murray Rothbard quote

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It IS possible to get out of a trap.

However, in order to break out of a prison, one first must confess to being in a prison. The trap is man's emo­tional structure, his character structure. There is little use in devising sys­tems of thought about the nature of the trap if the only thing to do in order to get out of the trap is to know the trap and to find the exit.
Everything else is utterly useless: Singing hymns about the suffering in the trap, as the enslaved Negro does; [or draw a utopia of "good government" in the trap like Leo does;] or making poems about the beauty of freedom outside of the trap, dreamed of within the trap; or promising a life outside the trap after death, as Catholicism promises its congregations; or confessing a semper ignorabimus as do the resigned philosophers; or building a philosophic system around the despair of life within the trap, as did Schopenhauer; or dreaming up a superman who would be so much differ­ent from the man in the trap, as Nietzsche did. until, trapped in a lunatic asylum, he wrote, finally, the full truth about himself - too late .... The first thing to do is to find the exit out of the trap.

Wilhelm Reich quote

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1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

l ike @moon777light my knowledge about politic is weak are there any books or sources that could prepare us for that videos?

Leo just updated his book list with some great ones on politics --- its only like 35 bucks to get it ---- I can believe where I would be without the info of books on that list!!

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