winterknight

I am enlightened. Sincere seekers: ask me anything

4,450 posts in this topic

@AlldayLoop If You take Neo Advaita and Neo Zen Bullshit /teachings as Truth of yourself, You Will pretty much get depersonalized and derealized. Big warning. 

Meditation is the way. This is your dream.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@AlldayLoop If You take Neo Advaita and Neo Zen Bullshit /teachings as Truth of yourself, You Will pretty much get depersonalized and derealized. Big warning. 

Well, like you said they’re teachings so therefore they can’t be or can be me. 

Thanks for the warning though ^_^

Edited by AlldayLoop

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Yali said:

How "obvious" was the truth when you discovered it?

The truth, when it's discovered, is not discovered by a "you." Rather, the "you" is what has always stood as the barrier to the realization of truth.

Anyway, it's blindingly obvious.


Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, winterknight said:

The truth, when it's discovered, is not discovered by a "you." Rather, the "you" is what has always stood as the barrier to the realization of truth.

Anyway, it's blindingly obvious.

Okay one last question for today. This should hit the nail on the cross. 

Isn’t it truer to actually say that there was never a “you” to begin with, no “barrier”, nothing to actually “realize”?

I understand if you just used the words you used as to not mislead people, but I feel like it goes beyond that as well (obviously). 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@AlldayLoop the mis analogy is that the seeker itself is the one your seeking. 

Meaning how do I tell you that you are the very thing itself lol just the way you are 

there are two “I” when there is only one. 

Which “I” wrote the question 

the answer is one of them, both of them. 

To wintersolider the answer is 1 and to others the answer is 2. Both are correct. 

Edit: but it’s a winterknight said, truth must be realised as experience not cognised. Let’s say I know the absolute truth about absolute infinity. But I haven’t experienced it and so there’s no sticking ground. 

Edited by Aakash

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, AlldayLoop said:

Okay one last question for today. This should hit the nail on the cross. 

Isn’t it truer to actually say that there was never a “you” to begin with, no “barrier”, nothing to actually “realize”?

I understand if you just used the words you used as to not mislead people, but I feel like it goes beyond that as well (obviously). 

Yes and no. It is truer, but all words are false, and it is also true that a seeker cannot simply rely on those words in an abstract way but must directly know the truth, even if that truth is that there is in some sense no truth to know.

The seeker can keep in the back of their mind that in some profound sense there's nothing to realize, but must nevertheless seek as if there were, as if there were a barrier, and there were an effort to pierce it, and if there were a realization. Because that is their emotional truth.

Edited by winterknight

Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Yali said:

Lastly, Leo said in his "What Is Spirituality? - A No-Bullshit Intro To Spirituality"  that the truth is so good that we'd think he's bullshitting us. Can you relate to that assessment? 

 

So much evil in this world, yet Leo's word is so convincing. A confirmation of that statement would prove to be motivating for me...

The truth is that the truth is beyond good and evil. But it is worth it, of course. It's the highest goal.


Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@winterknight to be honest, I give you homage for taking emptiness to its extreme. It’s a bitter sweet pill for people to swallow. 

Not that I would agree to such an extreme personally. It’s very soothing for myself to experience a conversation with you 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, winterknight said:

The seeker can keep in the back of their mind that in some profound sense there's nothing to realize, but must nevertheless seek as if there were, as if there were a barrier, and there were an effort to pierce it, and if there were a realization. Because that is their emotional truth.

Thank you for adding that last part in. All my life I’ve been searching for a truth out there and that has never worked. Thanks for reassuring me that I don’t have to numb myself of emotions  because I never got the chance to express them genuinely to anyone or myself.

This is why I’m on this path. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

TRUTH IS ALL GOOD. ❤️

@winterknight Meditation is the way.Finally set intention to realize TRUTH once and for all. You Can only do it by yourself. Strong intention and Strong desire for TRUTH. 

All others are YOU so do not delude them. 

TRUTH IS ALL GOOD, LOVE SEFLESSNESS, GOODNESS, FREEDOM, COMAPSSION etc

Nothing to go beyond. LOVE IS ALL THAT IS. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@winterknight to be honest, I give you homage for taking emptiness to its extreme. It’s a bitter sweet pill for people to swallow. 

Not that I would agree to such an extreme personally. It’s very soothing for myself to experience a conversation with you 

It seems bittersweet from the standpoint of the person who thinks that so much has to be given up... but this is, as the Buddha said, a mistake -- what is given up is only unhappiness. The person who believes that ordinary life is pleasure is someone, he said, who believes that grasping red hot iron bars is fun. It's just not so.

3 minutes ago, AlldayLoop said:

Thank you for adding that last part in. All my life I’ve been searching for a truth out there and that has never worked. Thanks for reassuring me that I don’t have to numb myself of emotions  because I never got the chance to express them genuinely to anyone or myself.

This is why I’m on this path. 

Absolutely. It's definitely not about numbing emotions. Quite the opposite.


Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, winterknight said:

It seems bittersweet from the standpoint of the person who thinks that so much has to be given up... but this is, as the Buddha said, a mistake -- what is given up is only unhappiness. The person who believes that ordinary life is pleasure is someone, he said, who believes that grasping red hot iron bars is fun. It's just not so.

Interesting analogy , I do agree myself. As a person who feels life is nostalgic at this point in time. Everything feels like grabbing a iron bar. But this is still from a human vantage point and not a person with a secured awakening for starters 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@winterknight I just had a mini-epiphany.

When you recommend psycho-analysis to supplement this work, that's exactly why I recommend psychedelics. Just like psycho-analysis the psychedelic's function is not primary to enlighten you but to clear out lesser blockages, shadow issues, and to show you what is getting in way of awakening.

The benefit of psychedelics is that it's faster, cheaper, more direct than months of talk therapy, and gives awakenings as well. But of course for those who cannot access psychedelics, I can see the value of psycho-analysis.

I've not done formal psycho-analysis but I'd guess 3-12 months of psycho-analysis = 1-3 psychedelic trips. The cost savings would also be very significant.

I've noticed that most people who take psychedelics don't have very deep awakenings on them because first the psychedelic must clear out psychological baggage (AKA, psychoanalysis). The existential insights require a purified mind and heart. The deep existential insights tend to come in later trips, after the mind has been purified a bit of its human baggage.

Just a useful insight I thought I'd share with you guys.

The oversight I made in the past is that I tended to think of the psychedelic purely as a gateway to nondual states. But that's only half of their function. The other half is the psycho-analytic resolution of psychological baggage.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Leo Gura One’s level of defilements correlates to one’s level of self involvement. When conscious self involvement is shed the result is non duality. When subconscious and instinctual defilements are shed the result is full and total enlightenment/embodiment : ) 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Leo Gura Why do you think Catholic churches have their members make confessions? 


My Youtube Channel- Light on Earth “We dance round in a ring and suppose, but the Secret sits in the middle and knows.”― Robert Frost

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@winterknight My apoligies, My only desire for You is That You finally complete your path. Drop pride Drop ego and do it. Why would I hate You or harm You. I am literally You, have no interest in doing so. 

@Leo GuraYes

Purified mind and heart leads to full awakening. So in a sense perceived Spiritual growth/path is needed. 

Your heart will lead You to it anyways it doesn't have to be Spiritual path it May come in different way. 

So trust your heart, it is really worthy. My greatest desire is for all of You to finally remember What You are really fundamentally. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

@Leo Gura Why do you think Catholic churches have their members make confessions? 

To relieve the devil of his guilt so he can go back the next day to being a devil? ;) 


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, Arhattobe said:

@Leo Gura One’s level of defilements correlates to one’s level of self involvement. When conscious self involvement is shed the result is non duality. When subconscious and instinctual defilements are shed the result is full and total enlightenment/embodiment : ) 

I like it.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.