Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Key Elements]

 

[ValiantSalvatore]

Weird german alternative hip-hop the imagery explains everything 

(Green / Yellow~ish)

[ValiantSalvatore]

This is also good:
 

 

[Mohamad Tahmas]

Although Turkish and Azerbaijani cultures are much the same, they've had some hatred between them..this is a song about the two countries, consider it a multicultural song. 

 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Mohamad Tahmas

[Key Elements]

Personally, I have not tried this because I don't like needles, but others have recommended it because it relieved them of their joint pains. If I have to do this because it's the easiest way for the relief of something, I would--just like I would try homeopathy to relieve my cough instead of going to the store and buy cough syrup. 

[martin_malin]

 

[JustinS]

This version is nice too, beautiful graphics

Close your eyes, take a little hit of that mj if you have to, relax and just melt into her Grace.

Edited July 8, 2018 by JustinS

[Key Elements]

Green and Red (con-artist)

[Tetcher]

On 06/07/2018 at 6:31 AM, Leo Gura said:

Because to take Trump seriously is to go too far. The proper response to Trump is ridicule.

You don't engage someone like that in serious discussion because he is not an honest actor. He's a con-artist and he doesn't care about truth. So there can be no serious philosophical discussion with him or his ilk.

This is not really judgment. Yes, it's my subjective evaluation. Trump is who he is and he cannot be otherwise. In fact, he is a facet of myself, so for me to demonize him would be just me demonizing God. Which is silly to do. But that doesn't mean I have go along with Trump's machinations. Trump is just very unconscious, and there millions of unconscious people all over the world. I can refuse to take part in their unconsciousness without making it a personal thing.

For me to concede ground to unconsciousness when I know better would just be foolish. Whether you agree with me or not is not my problem. You are free to disagree with me and love Trump. Ultimately you have to learn to think for yourself. I am just presenting my ideas here.

There is always a point at which you have to draw a line. For example, if someone comes to you and says, 1+1=5, you laugh him off. If you took every such case seriously, you would be very open to manipulation. People could just overwhelm you with false information to push their egoic agendas through. So there needs to be a firewall. The key is tuning your firewall properly so it doesn't reject legitimate points of view. It's always possible to miscalibrate one's firewall, but in the case of Trump, I'm not too worried about that being a problem. He's just not presidential material. This should be obvious to any unbiased observer. If you disagree, then we'll just have to agree to disagree and we'll see who wins at the ballet box in 2020.

@Leo GuraI wouldn't fall for this trap. You don't need a firewall, if you encompass Trump in your consciousness you can deal with with him out of your intelligence in relaxation, why do you need a firewall which is just a resistance to a facet of the self ? Why do you say that we'll see who will win in 2020, who cares ? He already won in 2016.

You can draw a line for yourself if you wish, that's fine if you're aware of it. I was just being surprised that you're fine with it when the whole point of this work is to transcend all the lines. Even if you're aware of the line it's still a line that you can't cross freely and who knows how it will evolve or metastase.

I watch this with a external eye since I'm not an american and I can tell you that to me all this societal Trump hate  by media, green communities and so on seems really irrational to me, I don't understand why they really hate him with their guts, but they are insulting him, won't ever find something positive about him or his actions, do everything to impede him. Why would they do that, he's been elected through a democratic process, let's make the most out of it.

I guess they are entranched in a certain worldview, set of beliefs and identifications and Trump is going against all that. And your social life probably revolves around a lot of green people and communities, your girlfriend maybe is green and you're being drawn into this social hate. Your belief in spiral dynamics also doesn't help because you think green is more advanced than orange so you think drawing this line is good because it secure you from falling back to orange but that's not how it works. At least I see it for myself, you can see it otherwise if you wish.

[CreamCat]

On 7/7/2018 at 3:28 PM, Spacious said:

I disagree, I don't assume Green equals good, I see can see the limitations of Green, like how a Green Stage person wants everyone to have their say, but still works on the condition that ultimately their perspective is correct (need to give credit to Ken Wilber). Using the word 'objectively' doesn't provide justification, this is a return to assertion.

@Spacious I agree with your analysis because I am between Orange and Green. If you resist the Green elements of either Feminism or MRA, you are not fully accepting Green. Green should not care about gender or species. Green should even advocate for the rights of sentient artificial intelligence. AIs will emerge as a new breed of non-biological species.

Feminism and MRA are not primarily Green by themselves. Feminism has a lot of Purple and Red people along with Green. I was shocked to see large groups of Red feminists approved by Purple and Green. They advocated killing all men and domesticating men through no-fault divorce and false rape accusations. Feminism doesn't look Blue. MRA has a bit of Blue and a lot of Orange. But, there are some Green elements in each of them. MRA seems Greener than Feminism in my opinion because the founder of MRA used to be a Feminist and still is a Feminist. The founder of MRA made a lot of money from Feminist lectures until he started asking women to consider men's problems along with women's problems.

I surmise that equalism or egalitarianism in moderation should be primarily Green.

In my mind, a truly Green individual should empathize and sympathize with the plights of men, women, animals, and other miscellaneous species. For example, I sympathize with women who can't open bank accounts, but I also sympathize with men who are forced to join army by military conscription. I can also see things in the perspective of artificial intelligence which will not have biological genders.

Edited July 8, 2018 by CreamCat

[Shu]

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[CreamCat]

24 minutes ago, Spacious said:

Once a movements starts advancing narratives of power structure and systemic oppression, they are dominated by stage Red, as power exchanges have a zero sum group vs group mentality encoded into the dynamic.

@Spacious I would like to mention that Feminism was Green in its earliest stage but quickly regressed into Purple and Red.

Many first wave feminists were white supremacists and hated black men for gaining voting rights before white women did. Those white women contributed to racism. The second wave feminism was no better since it already had a strong scent of Red and Purple according to the movie, Red Pill. Without the internet, it was easier for the second wave to hide its colors and look virtuous.

Have you seen radical feminist groups that became the mainstream feminism in some countries? They are Purple and Red to the core. I've seen no other group that acts more like a tribe than those radical feminist groups. At one time, they were spreading magical rumors about soldiers using women as biological de-miners during world wars. They didn't have any evidence, but they said it was truth.

I can smell a strong scent of Yellow in your systemic thinking. I am Orange-Green transitioning into Green and Yellow. Once I see Yellow, it cannot be unseen.

I propose that Green is unstable as a social movement although Green can exist as a stage of individual growth.

Edited July 8, 2018 by CreamCat

[CreamCat]

@Spacious Are you Yellow?

[Clayman]

It would be way more useful to try to learn something from the guy. It would be unwise to just dismiss him as a some low breed of blue/orange, I mean you can do so, but by it you will just be practicing the habit of doing the same thing with the next person you disagree with. This Contrapoint channel did a great job of misrepresenting his views, and dragging one into a certain perspective. Let not the trigger guide you @Etherial Cat

Also this social/politics thingie is .... sticky,... watch out for that we must.

Edited July 8, 2018 by Clayman

[Clayman]

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Edited July 8, 2018 by Clayman

[CreamCat]

Let me note that Green has a serious Red(psychopath) infection problem. Often times, Green is not aware of psychopath infection, or Green doesn't want to admit that their movements have serious psychopath infections. Psychopathy is an evolutionary force. An Orange person called Pieter Hintjens told me what he experienced at EFF. EFF is Orange and Green. EFF almost collapsed due to psychopath infection. Later, EFF came up with rules designed to prevent psychopathy from going rampant. Orange has dealt with psychopath problems for quite a while although it is not very good at solving the problems. Orange also uses competition to outcompete ineffective corporations infected by psychopaths. Corporations severely infected by psychopaths cannot compete well in relatively free markets. Microsoft and Google are infected by psychopaths. They will be outcompeted by other companies although they are too big to fail anytime soon.

Factual feminists are Orange-Green and a rare breed of feminists. The mainstream feminists demonize factual feminists as misogynists. Factual feminists are aware of psychopath infection problems in feminism and detach themselves from the mainstream feminism.

I suspect Green people in feminist movements skipped Orange. That's why they are bad at dealing with internal psychopath infections. When I read FreeBSD Code of Conduct which was mostly based on Geek Feminism's proporsal, I see that FreeBSD CoC is not aware of psychopaths. Actually, It can easily be wielded by psychopaths as a weapon. Orange people(programmers) in FreeBSD community understand this and are slowly going to leave FreeBSD.

Blue is not safe from psychopathy, either. Perhaps, Yellow is the first layer well equipped to deal with psychopathy.

Edited July 8, 2018 by CreamCat

[Aspiraling Wizard]

 

 

Not only one of my favorite games but a great example of how green ideals can glom into cultish, collectivist mob mentality that, for all it's progressive ideals still had blinders on and committed actions that still had major aspects of Red and Orange in them. They made it so sexy that it was difficult for me to see this for awhile. Let me know if I've made any errors in judgement with posting this here.

[Soulbass]

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Soulbass

[Gabriel Antonio]

On 7/5/2018 at 0:03 AM, Leo Gura said:

It's a tricky topic because in the ultimate big picture, EVERYTHING serves its purpose. Cenk's demonizing the right has its purpose. White people lynching black people has its purpose. Nazis killing Jews had its purpose. Racism, war, genocide, slavery, anti-Semitism, rape, murder, theft, corruption, harassment, abuse, tribalism, etc. It ALL serves a purpose. It's all totally inevitable and part of Infinity. This is the bitter pill that no ego wants to swallow because the ego loves to judge and be self-righteous and to create an environment which aids the ego's survival.

So if you're gonna say that demonization is moving us forward. Okay. But also realize, so did Nazi concentration camps.

It will take some deep enlightenment experiences to accept that. It will not make sense to the ego-mind. The ego-mind is too selfish to see it. And the ego-mind will try to use this fact to further its agenda by saying things like, "Well, I robbed that person, but it was totally inevitable, like Leo said. So I didn't do anything wrong."

Of course this is just ego being a sneaky manipulative snake. Which is also inevitable.

Reality cannot be other than exactly how it is. The challenge for ego is to surrender to what is.

By definition, anything that happens within reality, servers the ultimate purpose. There is nothing within reality which is "wrong" or "should be otherwise". You cannot optimize reality beyond what it is. It is already 100% optimal and anything that occurs is part of that opitmality unfolding. It just unfolds in counter-intuitive ways. Most people would not think that murder is optimal, but that's because they are not seeing the biggest picture. They are not thinking infinite moves ahead the way God does. So to them, stuff looks sub-optimal. But that is just ignorance. At higher levels of consciousness that will fall away and there will be total acceptance.

This is the #1 reason why nonduality cannot go mainstream. This truth is too brutal for people to accept.

Wow... amazing text ??? 

 

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Ralph Smart (Infinite Waters) is the epitome of green. 

In this video, he talks about being a vegan, not fitting into an "orange" job, finding your tribe, accepting your weirdness. In other words, green stuff. 

He has also integrated the lessons of orange. He says in the video, "You can live in the 5th dimension, but you also have to master the 3D." 

Finally, he's not falling into the trap of fighting fire with fire. He says towards the end: "Even if you're annoyed at the world, instead of using that energy to attack the system, use that energy to create the New World." 

In some other videos, he does get triggered by animal cruelty though. He seems self-righteous for being a vegan, and he preaches about it hell of a lot. 

But other than that, his videos are great examples of healthy green. 

Edited July 9, 2018 by Gabriel Antonio

[Brittany]